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Heres an interesting bull # 15618775 that Sinclairs are selling in their sale...A son of Ext- who's mgs is EXT and who's maternal great grandsire is EXT....Probably either be a great cow maker or a fighting bull prospect extraordinaire :roll:
Northern Rancher will probably be the first guy in there bidding... :wink: :lol:
http://www.angus.org/registeredangus/
 
Northern Rancher said:
I'll start it off at 22 cents a pound-then I can still pound out that streak of misery in waiting and come out ahead lol.
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I wouldn't take him if he was free............. :x He'd probably tear up the stock trailer bringing him home, then tear it up (including corrals, fences) trying to get him loaded up for the sale barn because he's proved himself a true blooded EXT :mad: EXT's are people killers :mad: :mad:
 
Well for him being such a bad bull there sure are alot of people buying up the genetics.A straw of semen sells for $150 each now days.
 
Oldtimer said:
Heres an interesting bull # 15618775 that Sinclairs are selling in their sale...A son of Ext- who's mgs is EXT and who's maternal great grandsire is EXT....Probably either be a great cow maker or a fighting bull prospect extraordinaire :roll:
Northern Rancher will probably be the first guy in there bidding... :wink: :lol:
http://www.angus.org/registeredangus/
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How can this bull be 14 months old and have some accuracies in his EPD as high as .40? some of our EXT cow are pretty ignorant when calving, and others are as docile as Herefords
 
Yanuck said:
Oldtimer said:
Heres an interesting bull # 15618775 that Sinclairs are selling in their sale...A son of Ext- who's mgs is EXT and who's maternal great grandsire is EXT....Probably either be a great cow maker or a fighting bull prospect extraordinaire :roll:
Northern Rancher will probably be the first guy in there bidding... :wink: :lol:
http://www.angus.org/registeredangus/
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How can this bull be 14 months old and have some accuracies in his EPD as high as .40? some of our EXT cow are pretty ignorant when calving, and others are as docile as Herefords
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The numbers are calculated on ancestorial numbers. ie Lots of EXT daughters produce well, this bull is triple bred = high accuracy.

In all fairness I hate to admit that EXT produced some good cows. Wild sometimes....yes, but there are some good ones.

Am I a fan, not really. I do think if he is bred right you can get away from the attitude and have some good cattle.

I am probably wrong, but I think it comes more from the 5522. I have two young granddaughter's of 5522 that you pack for bear when you tag the calf, but after that they are fine. You keep a stick close and your dog a way's out as a diversion, but they are good cows.
 
And I think the wildness came from the Emulation 31 two times in his pedigree. That's just a thought though.

We all know he is a cow maker that puts excellent udders on his females--if you can stand the dispositions, which I cannot--but I just looked and EXT is a 19 on milk with a 98% accuracy.
What does that tell you about +25; +37 or any of those high numbers for milk?
 
sic 'em reds said:
I am probably wrong, but I think it comes more from the 5522. I have two young granddaughter's of 5522 that you pack for bear when you tag the calf, but after that they are fine. You keep a stick close and your dog a way's out as a diversion, but they are good cows.
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The best thing to do with cows like that is what my vet always told me..."Cut their head off"! Bad dispositions almost always guarantees a tough steak!!!!
 
Faster horses said:
And I think the wildness came from the Emulation 31 two times in his pedigree. That's just a thought though.

We all know he is a cow maker that puts excellent udders on his females--if you can stand the dispositions, which I cannot--but I just looked and EXT is a 19 on milk with a 98% accuracy.
What does that tell you about +25; +37 or any of those high numbers for milk?
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Fed in, not bred in!!!
Oooppss...some of that Pharo stuff!!!! :oops: :roll: :wink:
 
RobertMac said:
sic 'em reds said:
I am probably wrong, but I think it comes more from the 5522. I have two young granddaughter's of 5522 that you pack for bear when you tag the calf, but after that they are fine. You keep a stick close and your dog a way's out as a diversion, but they are good cows.
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The best thing to do with cows like that is what my vet always told me..."Cut their head off"! Bad dispositions almost always guarantees a tough steak!!!!
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I suppose you like a cow that will just let anything approach the calf too, maybe give you big slobbery kisses while your processing the calf. I dont mind if they are that way when they calve, at least you know a coyote isn't gonna get at the calf.

Attitude at calving and disposition at other times are different in my book. I dont particularily care for it, but I won't cull on that basis.
 
sic 'em reds said:
RobertMac said:
sic 'em reds said:
I am probably wrong, but I think it comes more from the 5522. I have two young granddaughter's of 5522 that you pack for bear when you tag the calf, but after that they are fine. You keep a stick close and your dog a way's out as a diversion, but they are good cows.
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The best thing to do with cows like that is what my vet always told me..."Cut their head off"! Bad dispositions almost always guarantees a tough steak!!!!
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I suppose you like a cow that will just let anything approach the calf too, maybe give you big slobbery kisses while your processing the calf. I dont mind if they are that way when they calve, at least you know a coyote isn't gonna get at the calf.

Attitude at calving and disposition at other times are different in my book. I dont particularily care for it, but I won't cull on that basis.
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I agree with most of what you say, but one high headed animal can make a whole group a lot harder to work and they are a definite problem on the consumer end...we have to think about the consumer end when we raise our cattle!!!!! I have less tolerance for a cow that won't take care of her baby!!!!!
 
If you re-read my post, they are fine after I get the calf tagged, never had them crawl panels or act high headed.

I totally agree on high headed idiots, but not one that gets protective of her calf.

I run dogs pretty much everytime I work cattle, and these cows in particular never start a fight with the dogs. I have lamb gentle cows that will cause more problems with dogs. Disposition problems usually come out more depending on the amount of pressure the animal feels. But the high headed EXT's that Northern always talks about are not worth the equipment you have to replace when working them.
 
RobertMac said:
sic 'em reds said:
I am probably wrong, but I think it comes more from the 5522. I have two young granddaughter's of 5522 that you pack for bear when you tag the calf, but after that they are fine. You keep a stick close and your dog a way's out as a diversion, but they are good cows.
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The best thing to do with cows like that is what my vet always told me..."Cut their head off"! Bad dispositions almost always guarantees a tough steak!!!!
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:agree: Offspring out of wild cows can be wild themselves, making dark cutters. We know for a fact since we've been getting data back for 15 years. We have 1 or 2 EXT cows who are gentle (from the same dam), their mama raised really nice 4-H steers for the kids.
 
Since we are on this "wild cattle" discussion I have something I want to 'throw out' to get your opinions on this.

One of our customers swears by the fact that mineral (or whatever) with high magnesium calms cattle down. He has used it and he swears it works. This guy is a great manager with top set of cows; not a fruit cake and I respect what he says.

Have any of you ever heard that hi mag calms cattle down?
 
Faster Horses. I know first hand that this is true. I worked at a University research station years ago. A herd of black angus cows was brought in from somewhere in B.C. I've never seen a wilder bunch of cattle in my life. Crawling 7 foot corral panels etc.,just absolutely nuts for no reason. This was a project to see if magnesium would calm these cattle down. I guess that their blood levels were already very low. They had special made feed brought in to bring their blood levels back up. We were told to stay away from these cows as much as possible so that the test wouldn't be jeopardized. I can't remember exactly how long it took for these cows to settle down,probably 2 to 4 months.They did settle down, though, actually some of them became quite sociable, and I know that it was from the feed they were getting not from us. Have you ever heard of something similar with horses? I had a real good mare one time that became untrustworthy, and I've always felt that it was a nutritional problem, something like these little black cows had.
 

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