Japanese Consumers Reach Out To U.S. Beef

[Anonymous]

Your comments are irrelevant Conman because you are a proven liar and you know nothing about this industry.


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Your comments are irrelevant Conman because you are a proven liar and you know nothing about this industry.


~SH~

Where is the lie, Sh? I showed you have no gopher tails to sell. When you get a unanimous vote on ranchers.net on being the authority, I will consider my comments irrelevant and stop posting. Until then, you are just a gopher trapper cattleman wanna be.

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandy: "Then explain to us why every comment by the Japanese always has something in it about regaining confidence? The Japanese herd has BSE at a much higher rate than ours, but you don't seem to hear anything about not having confidence in domestic beef, only ours."

SH, "Another "ILLUSION"! Japan has concerns about US beef because we had BSE. SIMPLE AS THAT! Who the hell knows their feelings on Japanese beef, you certainly don't. "

You have a bad habit of screaming "ILLUSION" when faced with a question you don't want to answer. Japan has a far, far higher incidence of BSE than we do, but you never see anything about Japanese beef needing to regain the confidence of Japanese consumers, only ours. That tells me the only simple part of your "simple as that" deduction is the simple mind it came from.


Sandy: "By your highlighting of "currently" it appears you are finally admitting that they have demanded tests in the past. It's about time you recognized that fact. Tell me, how many Japanese consumers do you see demanding under 21 month cattle?"

SH, "MASTER ILLUSIONIST" at work again! CREATING ANOTHER ILLUSION! I never seen where they demanded tests in the past. All you ever offered was a quote from Veneman that was how many years old????? "

Again, the key word "ILLUSION" showing SH is in an uncomfortable spot. Care to explain your choice of the word "currently" if you don't believe they ever asked for testing?

Sandy: "How did they wise up so much so fast? Just a few months ago, you claimed they didn't know much about BSE or they wouldn't be asking for testing."

SH, "BRING THE QUOTE! Another "ILLUSION" by taking a statement out of context! Another example of your relentless deception!"

You know you made the statement or you wouldn't already be trying to establish that I took it out of context.

SH, "Doesn't matter what they may or may not have asked for, WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT THEY ARE BUYING! "

Stick to gopher trapping, SH, you'll never make it in the business world. That last statement is so assinine any reply is unnecessary.

 

[mrj]

The Drovers Alert this morning lists US beef to Japan as 100 metric tons each of the first two weeks of Aug.; 200 m.t. the third week; and 400 m.t. the fourth week.

That seems positive and encouraging.

MRJ

 

[Mike]

The Drovers Alert this morning lists US beef to Japan as 100 metric tons each of the first two weeks of Aug.; 200 m.t. the third week; and 400 m.t. the fourth week.

That seems positive and encouraging.

MRJ

Absolutely does! Sure wish the USDA had "caved in" earlier. We might be shipping back to normal by now.

 

[Sandhusker]

The Drovers Alert this morning lists US beef to Japan as 100 metric tons each of the first two weeks of Aug.; 200 m.t. the third week; and 400 m.t. the fourth week.

That seems positive and encouraging.

MRJ

Absolutely does! Sure wish the USDA had "caved in" earlier. We might be shipping back to normal by now.

And we'd have a few Billion more in our pockets, fewer cattle,......

 

[Mike]

The Drovers Alert this morning lists US beef to Japan as 100 metric tons each of the first two weeks of Aug.; 200 m.t. the third week; and 400 m.t. the fourth week.

That seems positive and encouraging.

MRJ

Absolutely does! Sure wish the USDA had "caved in" earlier. We might be shipping back to normal by now.

And we'd have a few Billion more in our pockets, fewer cattle,......

I want my $175 per head/per year back!

 

[Econ101]

This just keeps making my case that the economically the packers are "public goods" and be treated as such.

Walmart and Tyson want to make these arguments regarding the Robinson Patman Act defences but they want to remain private companies.

They can only have it both ways as long as there is corruption in our government.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandy: "Japan has a far, far higher incidence of BSE than we do, but you never see anything about Japanese beef needing to regain the confidence of Japanese consumers, only ours."

So what's your point?

Sandy: "Care to explain your choice of the word "currently" if you don't believe they ever asked for testing?"

I didn't say "A" Japanese consumer never asked for bse tested beef. Obviously someone did or Veneman would not have made the claim. It matters not! What matters is what "THEY" (most Japanese consumers) are buying because nobody gains by selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

If the Japanese market ever gets back to pre BSE levels, will you then admit that they were not demanding BSE tested beef. YES OR NO?

Whether or not they (whatever the hell "THEY" means) ever asked for testing is irrelevant because if "THEY" ever asked for testing, "THEY" were under the impression that bse testing would offer food safety value. Obviously "THEY" now know better or "THEY" would not be buying US beef without deceptive BSE testing.

The "CURRENT" ACTIONS of the Japanese consumer speaks louder than your CHEAP WORDS of pure speculation.

Sandy: "You know you made the statement or you wouldn't already be trying to establish that I took it out of context."

Stop dancing and bring the damn quote!

Sandy: "That last statement is so assinine any reply is unnecessary."

The fact remains, what Japanese consumers may have once asked for is irrelevant to what they are asking for today and they are certainly not asking for DECEPTIVE BSE TESTING.


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "It matters not! What matters is what "THEY" (most Japanese consumers) are buying because nobody gains by selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY"."

You don't know "most Japanese consumers" are buying. You know "some".

Everybody selling organic gains by selling an illusion of safety, unless you can provide proof that orginic IS safer.

SH, "If the Japanese market ever gets back to pre BSE levels, will you then admit that they were not demanding BSE tested beef. YES OR NO? "

Of course not. It is documented that they have asked for testing. Do you operate with some kind of statute of limitations where history changes after a certain time period?

 

[RobertMac]

Do you operate with some kind of statute of limitations where history changes after a certain time period?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Unfortunately, a lot of people operate under that statute...and some of them call themselves...historians!!!!!!! :shock: :roll:

 

[Sandhusker]

Do you operate with some kind of statute of limitations where history changes after a certain time period?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Unfortunately, a lot of people operate under that statute...and some of them call themselves...historians!!!!!!! :shock: :roll:

I can't believe that he thinks history can simply be rewritten. Of all the bone-head comments..... I guess that explains a lot and we can now better under stand the "logic" of someone who comes up with the nonsense that he does. Geeeeeeeeeeze :roll:

 

[Anonymous]

Sandbag: "You don't know "most Japanese consumers" are buying. You know "some"."

YOU DON'T KNOW ANY JAPANESE CONSUMERS THAT ARE DEMANDING DECEPTIVE BSE TESTING!

You just heard someone say what you wanted to believe and repeated it like the mindless follower you are. You've repeated it so many times that you can no longer accept the truth of actual Japanese consumer purchases.

You have convinced yourself that the reason we have not shipped beef to Japan is because we didn't embrace deceptive bse testing instead of accepting the fact that JAPAN BACKED OFF OUR BEEF BECAUSE WE HAD BSE. You can't offer one stitch of proof to back your assumption but that's the R-CALFer in you. To hell with the facts if it's what an R-CALFer WANTS TO BELIEVE.

Sandbag: "Everybody selling organic gains by selling an illusion of safety, unless you can provide proof that orginic IS safer."

Horsecrap! Those who are selling organic are selling exactly what organic means. No implants and no antibiotics. They are not implying that it's any safer than it is like deceptive bse testing advocates are.

Another of your backwards apples to watermelons ILLUSIONAL comparisons. Nobody is going to be hurt by selling organic but they COULD BE hurt by the implication that beef is bse free from a test that would not reveal bse prions even if they were there.

Your deceptive bse testing promotion is nothing short of pathetic.

Sandbag: "Of course not. It is documented that they have asked for testing. Do you operate with some kind of statute of limitations where history changes after a certain time period?"

Why the heck not? Obviously your claim that Japanese consumers wanting bse tested beef was wrong OR THEY WOULDN'T BE BUYING NON BSE TESTED BEEF WOULD THEY???????????????

Why would you be so stupid as to believe they wanted bse tested beef IF THEY ARE BUYING NON TESTED BEEF AND YOU CAN'T OFFER ONE STITCH OF PROOF TO BACK YOUR ASSERTION THAT THEY WANT TESTED BEEF???

You can't even accept the truth of actual Japanese consumer purchases. You cling on to WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

It is documented that Japanese consumers asked for testing huh? WHERE? WHERE IS THE OFFICAL JAPANESE REQUEST FOR TESTED BEEF? BRING IT!!!!

A VENEMAN QUOTE WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT IS YOUR DOCUMENTATION??? BULLSH*T! You got nothing to support your position but a need to "BWAME USDA".

I don't give a damn what you think the Japanese consumer wants, THEY ARE BUYING UNTESTED BEEF from the US and Canada. Their actions speak louder than your cheap talk.

Do you operate on the assumption that Japanese consumers want bse tested beef WHILE THEY ARE BUYING NON BSE TESTED BEEF??

What a flippin' idiot!



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

SH, "YOU DON'T KNOW ANY JAPANESE CONSUMERS THAT ARE DEMANDING DECEPTIVE BSE TESTING! "

You're right, I don't. I've never seen any Japanese asking for deceptive anything. However I have seen them asking for regular testing.

SH, "Horsecrap! Those who are selling organic are selling exactly what organic means. No implants and no antibiotics. They are not implying that it's any safer than it is like deceptive bse testing advocates are. "

Just what the heck do you think "no implants" and "no antibiotics" means to organic purchasers if it doesn't mean "safer" to them? I beseech thee to endow us with your wisdom on that one, O Oracle of the Dog Town.

SH, "A VENEMAN QUOTE WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT IS YOUR DOCUMENTATION??? BULLSH*T! You got nothing to support your position but a need to "BWAME USDA"."

OK, you've seen the entire letter that quote was taken from. Why not tell us what the proper context is?

SH, "I don't give a damn what you think the Japanese consumer wants, THEY ARE BUYING UNTESTED BEEF from the US and Canada. Their actions speak louder than your cheap talk."

Yippee Yahooo, some Japs have bought some beef - nothing close to what they used to. By your thinking, Americans must want heroin, too. After all, some are are buying it.

 

[Anonymous]

It is documented that Japanese consumers asked for testing huh?

WHERE? WHERE IS THE OFFICAL JAPANESE REQUEST FOR TESTED BEEF? BRING IT!!!!


~SH~

 

[ocm]

It is documented that Japanese consumers asked for testing huh?

WHERE? WHERE IS THE OFFICAL JAPANESE REQUEST FOR TESTED BEEF? BRING IT!!!!


~SH~

Not going to take the private industry deal with Creekstone to show what the Japanese wanted? You only want an answer as to the government position?

I thought you claimed to be a private industry kind of guy!

 

[Econ101]

It is documented that Japanese consumers asked for testing huh?

WHERE? WHERE IS THE OFFICAL JAPANESE REQUEST FOR TESTED BEEF? BRING IT!!!!


~SH~

Not going to take the private industry deal with Creekstone to show what the Japanese wanted? You only want an answer as to the government position?

I thought you claimed to be a private industry kind of guy!

He's a (secret socialist)!!!

 

[Sandhusker]

It is documented that Japanese consumers asked for testing huh?

WHERE? WHERE IS THE OFFICAL JAPANESE REQUEST FOR TESTED BEEF? BRING IT!!!!


~SH~

Secretary Veneman certainly knows where it is, unless they don't write anything down in trade negotiations..... You can ask her about it when you ask what the context of her letter was. :roll:

Have you figured out why a consumer might buy, and pay a premium, for organic product?

 

[Anonymous]

OCM: "Not going to take the private industry deal with Creekstone to show what the Japanese wanted? You only want an answer as to the government position?

I thought you claimed to be a private industry kind of guy!"

DIVERSION!

Using your logic on "private industry", we should allow private companies to sell drugs without FDA approval. Why should the government stand in the way of free enterprise in that case (sarcasm)? Same ridiculous logic as promoting consumer fraud in regards to BSE. Leave it to the R-CALFers to place money ahead of principle.

Sandbag: "Secretary Veneman certainly knows where it is, unless they don't write anything down in trade negotiations..... You can ask her about it when you ask what the context of her letter was."

DIVERSION!

I'll take that as your admission that Japan never requested bse testing which would be confirmed by recent purchases of US beef without testing.

WHAT I WANT TO BELIEVE ..... by Sandhusker

Keep blaming USDA for not allowing consumer fraud. Par for your blaming course.

Sandbag: "Have you figured out why a consumer might buy, and pay a premium, for organic product?"

Because they want a product that was produced without growth hormones or antibiotics. Science says that organic beef is no safer than non organic beef if all withdrawl times are properly adhered to regarding antibiotics.

In the case of Creekstone, they wanted to sell an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" with bse tests that would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. That is consumer fraud. In contrast organic is exactly what it says it is. There is no comparison.

We have laws in this nation against consumer fraud so why would we allow it with foreign countries? If Japanese consumers had demanded their government to only allow imports of bse tested beef, they OBVIOUSLY would have been under the asssumption that it was safer than non bse tested beef. With cattle under 24 months of age with the test that Creekstone planned to use, THE BEEF WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAFER THAN NON BSE TESTED BEEF.

Your organic comparison is one more example of your stupid apples to watermelons comparisons. Organic is not trying to pretend it's something that it's not. In contrast, BSE TESTED beef from cattle under 24 months of age was pretending to be something that it's not. APPLES TO WATERMELONS!


~SH~

 

[ocm]

OCM: "Not going to take the private industry deal with Creekstone to show what the Japanese wanted? You only want an answer as to the government position?

I thought you claimed to be a private industry kind of guy!"

DIVERSION!

Using your logic on "private industry", we should allow private companies to sell drugs without FDA approval. Why should the government stand in the way of free enterprise in that case (sarcasm)? Same ridiculous logic as promoting consumer fraud in regards to BSE. Leave it to the R-CALFers to place money ahead of principle.

~SH~

DIVERSION!