TexasBred
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Probably won't win the Heisman but gotta love the kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOXIyVItlo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MOXIyVItlo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
jigs said:jonny is a great ball player. no doubt. BUT the way ESPN campaigns for him is rediculous...just the same way the boost the SEC.... no other player got the hype that Jonny Mugshot got.
sure, we were all young and made mistakes, but I think there is a lot of maturing to do for Jonny Mugshot. and i think if they keep the players around him, they will get an SEC title, and possibly a national title.
had he lost to Alabama, would they be hyping him as much? honestly, I think not.
as far as stats go, Klein has far better numbers against ranked teams than Jonny. most of Jonny's big numbers come from playing the bottom half of the SEC...
jigs said:VS BCS AQ teams
Klein 7-1 , 25 TD , 6 turnovers
Johnny 2-2, 5 TD , 5 turnovers
both played vs 5 top 25 teams...Klein 5 wins. Johnny 3 wins.
ATLANTA — Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel was a unanimous choice Monday for Associated Press Southeastern Conference offensive player of the year after a dynamic debut season in College Station.
eatbeef said:But he wont win. I dont think he wil make a NFL quarterback and that puts eggs on the face of Hiesman voters if the winner never goes on. I dont think Johnny will win either, elders not gonna let a freshman win it.
3 M L & C said:I see that only three players are invited, am I reading this right or are they just the three favorites. I don't think the kid from Notre Dame will win. I kind of like Notre Dame, (I'm Catholic, so I think I kind of have to at least tolerate them). While I think he is by far the best defender on his team, I don't think he's even the best linebacker in college football, so how can he win? I think Klein kind of soured voters with the Baylor game, but then that leaves it to a freshman. I don't think that the kid from A and M will win either. I hope klein wins, but i'm not to confident he will. You can talk stats all you want but stats are in college football are masivly overated. When teams play far less supirior opponents and score 60 how are the stats realavent? Also even the people on espn say that the bottom half of the sec sucks and they love the sec. The big 12 is far more ballaced than the sec.
TexasBred said:3 M L & C said:I see that only three players are invited, am I reading this right or are they just the three favorites. I don't think the kid from Notre Dame will win. I kind of like Notre Dame, (I'm Catholic, so I think I kind of have to at least tolerate them). While I think he is by far the best defender on his team, I don't think he's even the best linebacker in college football, so how can he win? I think Klein kind of soured voters with the Baylor game, but then that leaves it to a freshman. I don't think that the kid from A and M will win either. I hope klein wins, but i'm not to confident he will. You can talk stats all you want but stats are in college football are masivly overated. When teams play far less supirior opponents and score 60 how are the stats realavent? Also even the people on espn say that the bottom half of the sec sucks and they love the sec. The big 12 is far more ballaced than the sec.
Peace be with you brother. :wink: As for balance...I believe the top half of the SEC is better than the top half of the Big 12 and the bottom half of the SEC is better than the bottom half of the Big 12. In both conferences the top 6-7 teams will always be the top teams and the bottom 6-8 will always be at the bottom. Just the way it is.
jigs said:the knock on Baylor is unfounded, they are a decent team, they beat Okie Light last week, Baylor is not the doormat that Kentucky, Vanderbilt, or any other bottom half team from the SEC.
I don't see Klein going onto the NFl, I think he deserves it on the merits of the way he lives his life and personal goals, and his faith... but we all know how the Heisman winners turn out, OJ, Reggie Bush, Johnny Rodgers.... Manziel will fit right into that mold.
For those of you who regularly check out CFT's police blotter, it comes as no surprise that quite a few college football players have a problem with "coloring inside the legal lines".
Thus, the results of an SI.com/CBS News investigation into the criminal backgrounds of players on two dozen or so football programs should come as no surprise, either: some football players have — you might want to sit down for this one — a checkered past.
The joint probe looked into the backgrounds of 2,837 players who made up the rosters of SI.com's 2010 preseason Top 25 poll and found that seven percent have police records, with nearly 40 percent of those arrests being classified as serious – assault and battery (25 cases), domestic violence (6), sex offenses (3), aggravated assault (4) and robbery (4). If only scholarship players are taken into account, the number jumps to 8.1 percent.
"[It is] a set of facts that obviously should concern all of us," NCAA president Mark Emmert said in a statement. "Seven percent, that's way too high. I think two percent is too high. You certainly don't want a large number of people with criminal backgrounds involved in activities that represent the NCAA."
pknoeber said:And Johnny Football LOST to all the top teams, save for Alabama when he had 1 great quarter, and then prayed that the defense held on. Klein lost one game after getting a concussion, and accounted for something like 70% of his teams offense.
jigs said:I don't see Klein going onto the NFl, I think he deserves it on the merits of the way he lives his life and personal goals, and his faith... but we all know how the Heisman winners turn out, OJ, Reggie Bush, Johnny Rodgers.... Manziel will fit right into that mold.
I think aTm has a shot at the big trophy in the future..... KSU, not so much, graduating way too many seniors..... next year may be painful, have to wait and see