Just What We Need- Another Lawsuit!!!!!!!

[Mike]

They never signed any agreement per 100% testing...period.

You can bet your bippy we would've been shipping to Japan long ago if Creekstone were allowed to test. Fielding had the blessings of all the Japanese Ag ministers, the consumers, plus the "Main Man".

Mike..You only have this rhetoric from Creekstone of what the Japanese supposedly said or implied. There was NEVER any statement like that issued by any representative of their government at any level. We should end this nonsense regarding what Creekstone claims.

The Ag. Minister and others talked about how "unfortunate" and "frankly, regrettable" it was that the USDA denied testing. I guess you want to end the "nonsense" because you see how the USDA bungled the matter.
Neither of us cannot know what was said in those meetings with the Japs but when Creekstone (Fielding) came home, built and equipped his lab, common sense tells us the Japs didn't say NO!
It's OK agman, I'm ashamed of the USDA too.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Still no R-CALFers saying they would support Creekstone plans to Import UTM Canadian cattle for testing for Japan. They blow alot about testing but it was Canadian cattle that Creekstone wanted.

 

[agman]

The Ag. Minister and others talked about how "unfortunate" and "frankly, regrettable" it was that the USDA denied testing. I guess you want to end the "nonsense" because you see how the USDA bungled the matter.
Neither of us cannot know what was said in those meetings with the Japs but when Creekstone (Fielding) came home, built and equipped his lab, common sense tells us the Japs didn't say NO!
It's OK agman, I'm ashamed of the USDA too.[/quote]

Can you produce one quote from a Japanese official that says they would accept our beef if we tested said product? I don't believe you can. Neither of us know for certain what was said in meetings with the USDA either that may have solidified their stance against testing.

In a nutshell it is just plain stupid and totally irresponsible to administer a test on cattle when the test would not show BSE. Their two test results showing BSE on two animals under 30 months of age have never been verified by independent testing. They have not allowed independent testing on those two animals. What are they hiding from? It is politics Mike and we have chosen not to play their game.

 

[Mike]

Still no R-CALFers saying they would support Creekstone plans to Import UTM Canadian cattle for testing for Japan. They blow alot about testing but it was Canadian cattle that Creekstone wanted.

They did/do want the "ability" to import Canadian cattle for the Japanese program. Expanding the availability of product would be a way to maybe lower costs of product, which only makes sense to me.

Canada AND the US would benefit with another bidder.

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "Mike..You only have this rhetoric from Creekstone of what the Japanese supposedly said or implied. There was NEVER any statement like that issued by any representative of their government at any level. We should end this nonsense regarding what Creekstone claims."

I'd hesitate to call Creekstone's claims "rhetoric". They put a couple million on the table in the form of a new testing facility. Do you think they wouldn't of done that if they weren't sure the Japanese would take their tested cattle?

 

[Tam]

Sandhusker can you tell us how many times someone has done something on a speculation. Canadians are right now investing millions in packing house but that doesn't guarantee them anything. Cheekstone speculated they would get the OK from the government what is to say they didn't speculate that if they tested Japan would take the meat. Did they had a written agreement with Japan? Or were they just speculating on that part of their investment too?

 

[Mike]

AGMAN:"Their two test results showing BSE on two animals under 30 months of age have never been verified by independent testing. They have not allowed independent testing on those two animals."

Response:"Japan don't have to have independent testing. They have one of the three "OIE" certified testing facilities in the world. They know more about testing than we do and don't have to send samples to Lethbridge, England for conformation.

That's not what this is about agman, it's about the government intervention and telling us what we can and cannot do for our customers. The perception of safety doesn't matter, it's what the Japs want that matters.

 

[agman]

I'd hesitate to call Creekstone's claims "rhetoric". They put a couple million on the table in the form of a new testing facility. Do you think they wouldn't of done that if they weren't sure the Japanese would take their tested cattle?

Everyday people bet millions on less important things. Do you have a copy of any agreement between Creekstone and the Japanese government. I will bet you don't and Creekstone does not either; end of discussion.

 

[agman]

Response:"Japan don't have to have independent testing. They have one of the three "OIE" certified testing facilities in the world. They know more about testing than we do and don't have to send samples to Lethbridge, England for conformation.

That's not what this is about agman, it's about the government intervention and telling us what we can and cannot do for our customers. The perception of safety doesn't matter, it's what the Japs want that
matters.

Wrong, Mike, Japan does not have to allow independent testing but it would be wise to do so since their claim of BSE was outside the expected norm. It is my understanding they would not even allow the OIE to review the results on the two animals under 30 MOA.

I am quite certain that with their massive herd size and a whopping daily slaugher of less than 6000 head per day they know more about BSE than the scientists with the OIE and the USDA!!!!

Creekstone's action could have set a precedent with dire consequences longer term. That is the REAL issue here, not individual rights. We are all required to tow the line within regulations for the common good. That is why laws and regulations exist. If Creekstone did not understand that before they invested their funds into a testing facility then someone should be fired for incompetence.

Your position that we must meet their demands is without logic. That position is built on quicksand and sinking fast. Keep your head up and have a safe weekend.

 

[Mike]

Agman - No senior officials huh?

The quick turnabout might indeed be significant. Just three weeks ago, USDA's position was that it would not allow voluntary testing of product by a processor. But since then, Creekstone's proposal has been the focus of hundreds of news stories and broadcasts.

On Thursday, a senior Japanese official told a news conference in Tokyo that Japan will revise its blanket import ban on U.S. beef if U.S. exporters test all cattle for export for mad cow disease in cooperation with the U.S. government. Japanese news services have reported during the past two days that Tokyo officials have learned USDA is considering allowing individual processors to voluntarily test all of their beef destined for Japanese export.

"We will welcome private-sector testing with the U.S. government's firm involvement," said Mamoru Ishihara, vice minister for agriculture, forestry and fisheries.

Agriculture officials at both the Japanese and South Korean embassies in Washington said they were cautiously optimistic that the plan could allow at least some U.S. beef back into their countries. Japan bought $1.4 billion worth of American beef last year. South Korea is the United State's third largest beef export market after Japan and Mexico, and is widely believed in U.S. government circles to follow Japan's lead on agricultural trade issues.

"I think this seems, on the surface, to be a positive development," said Sato Tadashi, a Japanese Agriculture attaché at his country's Washington embassy, in a telephone interview with Meatingplace.com. "I would say that our general view is that it is good news. Of course, it will be up to higher authorities and experts in Japan to review this, but it does seem to be an important development."

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandhusker can you tell us how many times someone has done something on a speculation. Canadians are right now investing millions in packing house but that doesn't guarantee them anything. Cheekstone speculated they would get the OK from the government what is to say they didn't speculate that if they tested Japan would take the meat. Did they had a written agreement with Japan? Or were they just speculating on that part of their investment too?

Tam, you speculate when you can afford to lose or have nothing to lose. Companies the size of Creekstone don't throw a couple million to a "maybe".

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman - No senior officials huh?

The quick turnabout might indeed be significant. Just three weeks ago, USDA's position was that it would not allow voluntary testing of product by a processor. But since then, Creekstone's proposal has been the focus of hundreds of news stories and broadcasts.

On Thursday, a senior Japanese official told a news conference in Tokyo that Japan will revise its blanket import ban on U.S. beef if U.S. exporters test all cattle for export for mad cow disease in cooperation with the U.S. government. Japanese news services have reported during the past two days that Tokyo officials have learned USDA is considering allowing individual processors to voluntarily test all of their beef destined for Japanese export.

"We will welcome private-sector testing with the U.S. government's firm involvement," said Mamoru Ishihara, vice minister for agriculture, forestry and fisheries.

Agriculture officials at both the Japanese and South Korean embassies in Washington said they were cautiously optimistic that the plan could allow at least some U.S. beef back into their countries. Japan bought $1.4 billion worth of American beef last year. South Korea is the United State's third largest beef export market after Japan and Mexico, and is widely believed in U.S. government circles to follow Japan's lead on agricultural trade issues.

"I think this seems, on the surface, to be a positive development," said Sato Tadashi, a Japanese Agriculture attaché at his country's Washington embassy, in a telephone interview with Meatingplace.com. "I would say that our general view is that it is good news. Of course, it will be up to higher authorities and experts in Japan to review this, but it does seem to be an important development."

You would think this would quiet the nonsense questioning of Japan taking tested beef, but I doubt it will. Some folks just can't accept the fact the USDA might be full of malarkey from time to time.

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "Creekstone's action could have set a precedent with dire consequences longer term."

How so?

 

[agman]

Agman, "Creekstone's action could have set a precedent with dire consequences longer term."

How so?

It is quite simple Sandhusker. WE would be held hostage to every other country over any trivial issue - facts and science be damed. You as an R-Calf supporter, are not generally concerned with facts anyway, therefore I understand you would be blind to that likelihood.

 

[agman]

Agman - No senior officials huh?

Of course, it will be up to higher authorities and experts in Japan to review this, but it does seem to be an important development."

What is it that you do not understand regarding that statement from that so called official?

 

[Mike]

"On Thursday, a senior Japanese official told a news conference in Tokyo that Japan will revise its blanket import ban on U.S. beef if U.S. exporters test all cattle for export for mad cow disease in cooperation with the U.S. government. Japanese news services have reported during the past two days that Tokyo officials have learned USDA is considering allowing individual processors to voluntarily test all of their beef destined for Japanese export."

What is it that YOU don't understand about the above statement AND the fact that we haven't shipped a pound of beef nor do we know when we will!
I want my $175.00+ per head back!

P.S. Shot a 1"-5 shot group at 400 yds last Sunday with my 22-250 Ackley. The sixth shot went 4" right. Almost cried. Wind flags lied to me again. :wink:

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "Creekstone's action could have set a precedent with dire consequences longer term."

How so?

It is quite simple Sandhusker. WE would be held hostage to every other country over any trivial issue - facts and science be damed. You as an R-Calf supporter, are not generally concerned with facts anyway, therefore I understand you would be blind to that likelihood.

I not only support R-CALF, I'm a member. I don't buy your AMI arguement one bit - that's simply scare rhetoric from the big packers. How many of your daily purchases are based on science? You packer-backers seem blind to the fact that WE'RE NOT SELLING JAPAN ANY $ ^$%$ BEEF AND HAVEN'T BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE. Is there more money in selling beef or winning the international science fair?

 

[agman]

P.S. Shot a 1"-5 shot group at 400 yds last Sunday with my 22-250 Ackley. The sixth shot went 4" right. Almost cried. Wind flags lied to me again. :wink:[/quote]


Mike...admit it, you pulled the last round!!!! Still, that is not bad shooting for an amateur!! Have a good one.

 

[Mike]

P.S. Shot a 1"-5 shot group at 400 yds last Sunday with my 22-250 Ackley. The sixth shot went 4" right. Almost cried. Wind flags lied to me again. :wink:

Mike...admit it, you pulled the last round!!!! Still, that is not bad shooting for an amateur!! Have a good one.[/quote]

I'll NEVER admit that I pulled it but put the blame where everyone else does, IT WAS THE SCOPE!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, with each shot fired a group will NEVER get smaller. :roll:

 

[agman]

Agman, "Creekstone's action could have set a precedent with dire consequences longer term."

How so?

It is quite simple Sandhusker. WE would be held hostage to every other country over any trivial issue - facts and science be damed. You as an R-Calf supporter, are not generally concerned with facts anyway, therefore I understand you would be blind to that likelihood.

You packer-backers seem blind to the fact that WE'RE NOT SELLING JAPAN ANY $ ^$%$ BEEF AND HAVEN'T BEEN FOR QUITE A WHILE. Is there more money in selling beef or winning the international science fair?[/quote


You missed the point again Sandhusker...I can assure you that I am more certain of the cost of lost exports than you. However, this one time cost, by holding to sound science instead of politicts, will save the industry a multiple of the current cost of lost exports. Who wants to be held hostage everytime there is a similar occurrence in the future and for what political reason? That has been and remains the REAL issue. As I previously stated, we have NEVER received any "official" assurance that if we test all meat they would accept the product.