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This big shot western singer Keith Urban asked
all Canadians to stand up at the Minot Fair.
After everyone stood up he asked all the
Canadians to leave the stands before he
would sing because they were not helping out
fighting with USA troops.

Pass this around and see how his record sales
do in Canada.

Also, Garth Brooks donated 1 million to keep
Canadian cattle out of USA
 
I think that is a internet myth. I couldn't find any links.

Maybe somebody could prove me wrong. I have heard this about Toby and George as well. Can't find any scource, I am sure R-CALF would be crowing about it if it happened. Wouldn't put it past Willie tho.
 
Willie got arrested today with a 1.5 pounds of put an 2/10ths of a pound of mushrooms... Is this the 99th or 100th time he has been arrested?


Isn't Keith Urban an Australian anyways?
 
I did hear something about this during the Minot state fair. Since lots of people head south to attend this every year. Cant say if its 100% correct but its got me thinking. :roll:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think that is a internet myth. I couldn't find any links.

Maybe somebody could prove me wrong. I have heard this about Toby and George as well. Can't find any scource, I am sure R-CALF would be crowing about it if it happened. Wouldn't put it past Willie tho.


Boogeyman - Boogeyman-- Nothing in the post about R-CALF but immediately a Canuck screams R-CALF.... MYYY GAAAWWDD can you guys sleep at night without Leo or Bill nightmares :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I'd like to know more about if this is true. I hope it isn't, but if it is, I hope he keeps his butt out of Canada.

Risk of death soars for Canada's troops
4 more soldiers killed in attack
Report describes `unfair burden'
Sep. 19, 2006. 05:45 AM
BILL SCHILLER
STAFF REPORTER


The deaths of four more Canadian soldiers yesterday — and detailed reports showing our soldiers die at a rate disproportionate to other coalition forces — has again thrust Canada's controversial mission in Afghanistan to the top of the national agenda.

The four died while on patrol in southern Afghanistan when a suicide bomber on a bicycle detonated his payload. More than a dozen soldiers and 27 civilians were injured, among them children.

The soldiers' injuries were said to be non-life threatening.

One of the dead was Pte. David Byers of 2nd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, based in Shilo, Man. The families of the remaining three asked that their names not yet be released.

The deaths raised the Canadian death toll to 36 soldiers — 21 since May 1.

The news came on a day when a grim, new analysis emerged showing Canadian soldiers fighting in Afghanistan face a far higher risk of being killed than their fellow coalition soldiers — or even American soldiers in Iraq.

"A Canadian soldier in Afghanistan is three times more likely to be killed than a British soldier and four and a half times more likely than an American," said Steven Staples, co-author of "Canada's Fallen," a report he co-wrote for the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives.

"And a Canadian in Kandahar is six times more likely to die than an American soldier deployed to Iraq," he said.

The comparisons were based on the number of troops deployed and the fatalities experienced over measurable periods of time

"Canada has taken on a very dangerous mission and is shouldering an unfair burden in the coalition. Why that is ... we don't have an answer for that yet," Staples said.

The report by the centre, a left-leaning research institute based in Ottawa, was released before the deaths of the soldiers were confirmed in a press conference in Afghanistan. They were not factored into the report.

The news and the new report jarred with official weekend pronouncements by the Canadian military that it had scored a key victory against the Taliban in a two-week battle in Panjwaii, west of Kandahar city.

Even military historian David Bercuson — a strong supporter of Canada's mission in Afghanistan — described himself as "skeptical" of the Canadian victory announcement, describing it as "possibly overly ambitious, overly optimistic."

Victory in war, the University of Calgary analyst said, is not only taking territory, "but keeping it" and improving life for the locals in ways that can be clearly measured, in terms of security and quality of life.

Declarations of victory through the ages have served many purposes down the years, Bercuson cautioned.

"They can be for information purposes, for morale purposes and for propaganda (to rattle the enemy)." He was wary of them until life was demonstrably better on the ground, he said.

One American analyst, John Pike of globalsecurity.org, wondered how long Canada's military could sustain such losses.

"Canada may reconsider how much more of this it wants," Pike said. He said he, too, was familiar with military pronouncements of victory with impressive numbers of enemy dead and low casualties for western forces.

"We spent years doing that in Vietnam," he said of the U.S. war there.

In Afghanistan, Pike envisions a near-endless scenario.

"It's not going to end," he said of the Afghan war. "And it may get worse before it gets better ... it's going to last for decades."

He said he could understand why Europeans in the NATO coalition are taking up the battle in Afghanistan: the country is the major supplier of poppies used to produce heroin sold throughout Europe. "(But) Canada doesn't have an Afghan heroin problem," he said.

Declarations of victory in Afghanistan will be difficult, he said. In Iraq there are metrics — measurable indices like electricity, oil supplies, security forces and cellphone use.

"There are no metrics in Afghanistan," he said. That will make progress — the basis of victory — difficult to measure.

Both he and Marina Ottaway, an Afghan expert and Middle East specialist at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, cautioned against predictions of overly optimistic outcomes.

"I don't think there are really very many people in the (Bush) administration who really believe that we can transform Afghanistan into a democracy, any more than we can transform Iraq into a democracy," said Ottaway. The respected Washington-based analyst added she does not even think Afghanistan can be transformed into a highly centralized state.

The best outcome is to prevent the Taliban from taking complete control of specific regions, she said.

"At this point the best that we can hope for is an emergence of a kind of feudal state where a lot of power is exercised locally ... where unity of the country is not called into question, but the central government does not exercise full control much outside of Kabul."

In England, statistician Sheila Bird did an earlier risk assessment study similar to that done in Ottawa. Yesterday, she said in a telephone interview that when the new fatalities are factored in, Canadian soldiers are now facing twice and possibly four times the risk of death that British soldiers faced in the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The British had 46,000 troops engaged in the 43-day invasion but lost only 33 soldiers.

Since May 1 this year — a period of 141 days — the Canadian force in Afghanistan, numbering about 2,200, has already lost 21 soldiers.

Relating the number of fatalities to the number of military personnel deployed is crucial, Bird said, because "this helps to accurately measure the real rate of risk on the ground for coalition forces."

She emphasized that the risk Canadians face in Kandahar is "absolutely" riskier than what Americans face in Iraq.

What the Canadians are confronting is "as dangerous as what the Russians were facing 20 years ago." The Russians left Afghanistan in defeat in 1989 after a nine-year campaign.

Her numbers, Bird said, "underscore what the (NATO) commanders and the soldiers have said about the ferocity that they're facing."
 
And another thing... how come when 4 Canadians die in Afghanistan, the US media will only say that "4 NATO soldiers died", never that they were Canadians? Would it be too much of a shock to Americans to know that Canadians are dying? Would it be too much to dispel the myths we see from most Americans?
 
DaleK.. I don't know, but generally we hear about Canadian deaths in the news I hear... Often they wil say X amount of NATO deaths and than break it down by country....

Afghanistan is virtually ignored to be honest by the American media as most attention is focused on Iraq..
 
DaleK said:
And another thing... how come when 4 Canadians die in Afghanistan, the US media will only say that "4 NATO soldiers died", never that they were Canadians? Would it be too much of a shock to Americans to know that Canadians are dying? Would it be too much to dispel the myths we see from most Americans?

Looks like you need to start listening to and reading FOX News instead of the Liberal Media-- Get it Fair and Balanced....

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
4 Canadian Troops Among 19 Afghan Dead
Monday, September 18, 2006

By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer

E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
KAFIR BAND, Afghanistan — Three bombings killed at least 19 people across Afghanistan on Monday, including four Canadian soldiers in an attack that tested NATO's claim of success in driving insurgents from this volatile southern region.
 
Oldtimer said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
I think that is a internet myth. I couldn't find any links.

Maybe somebody could prove me wrong. I have heard this about Toby and George as well. Can't find any scource, I am sure R-CALF would be crowing about it if it happened. Wouldn't put it past Willie tho.


Boogeyman - Boogeyman-- Nothing in the post about R-CALF but immediately a Canuck screams R-CALF.... MYYY GAAAWWDD can you guys sleep at night without Leo or Bill nightmares :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Touchy, touchy Oldtimer. :lol: :lol:
 
I'd appreciate it if someone could give me a link to the Garth thing too.
I tried Googlin' her up but it was a no show.
If it's true sounds like him and Trisha don't want to sell too many records north of the ML. Or should we be calling it the Fence these days?
 
I'm pretty sure this is a bull$hit story. Like BMR, I heard basicly the same story about Toby Keith and George Straight, months ago. I tried to confirm it one way or the other,on the net, and found NOTHING.
The folks who put on The ND State Fair in Minot, promote the fair, quite well in my area, radio, TV and print ads, etc.The last time I was at the ND State fair I spent well over $1000 in Minot. I can't see an Aussie entertainer, such as Urban, doing such a thing.
Someone e-mailed me this same story (about Keith Urban and Garth Brooks), I laughed and deleted it. What is sad, is that people who WANT to believe his kind of crap will believe it and spread it around without bothering to find out whether or not it is true. Seems to be a lot of that going around lately. :roll:
 
#1, Keith did not say anything like that. That is a lie. R-Calf would try for that, becausae they support other lies, but they dont have enough money to buy off Keith Urban. I know him from Florida days. He's got scruples, and I know he likes Canada, and has performed there many times.#2, The Mad Cow Disease is the reason given for the border being shut to Canadian beef, but the real reason is a trade barrier, created by R-Calf. There have been several cases discovered in the US as well, even though it is not routinely tested for. Canada tests heavily for it, and because of that, has found more cases. Mexico would have cases too if they ever actually tested. Canada intends to eventually test every animal prior to slaughter. The US has no intentions of testing for it. Wild deer have it (CWD), and moose, and buffalo had it too. In humans it's called alzheimers. It's everywhere, and quite natural. Just dont eat brain tissue or spinal chord where it resides, and no worries mate.#3, the import of Canadian cattle is what supports the US packing industry. Because of the border closure, the packing plants are going bankrupt, and the jobs are migrating to Canada. Tyson just closed two major plants, about 1000 unemployed families. Canada doesn't need more jobs. They've got more jobs than people. They've got millions of acres of grazing and very few people, and the US has milllions of people that need work. Hence, it's a great relationship until R-calf gets involved to generate income for the lawyers, so they can get their fair share too. An American tradition.#4, It's true, Americans are quite nieve about Canada participation in the war. In every major conflict in the past century, Canada has been US's closest ally, moreso than Britain or Australia. In WWI and WWII the US never joined until Canada had already been in the fight for several years. WWII officially started in 1939, but US never came in until 1942, when Pearl Harbor was attacked. There are many Canadian soldiers fighting under US command in Iraq, the Canadian Navy has been patrolling the Gulf since Iraq II began, and has intercepted many potential attacks, the Canadian army and air force are fully engaged in Afghanistan, where there were some actual reasons given (ie Bin Laden) to attack. We're still unclear about why Iraq. And finally, when Canada was involved in Somalia to prevent genocide, the US retreated, and the genocide continued. Now in Sudan, the US will not defend against blatant genocide either. I'm not saying Iraq was not justified, because Saddam was an evil man and getting too powerful in a very volatile part of the world, but if US foreign policy was consistent, Somalia and Sudan and Cambodia should have been slam dunks.

Thats all for now folks.
 
One more thing actually. If that sounded anti-american, it's not meant that way. The US has more to be proud of than any other nation in world history. R-Calf is doing a dis-service to its American ranchers, but those ranchers are ultimately in the same boat as Canadian ranchers. US foreign policy doesn't look to be consistent or obvious, but I'm certain there is always more to the reasoning than we ever get to hear about.
 
clp said:
#1, Keith did not say anything like that. That is a lie. R-Calf would try for that, becausae they support other lies, but they dont have enough money to buy off Keith Urban. I know him from Florida days. He's got scruples, and I know he likes Canada, and has performed there many times.#2, The Mad Cow Disease is the reason given for the border being shut to Canadian beef, but the real reason is a trade barrier, created by R-Calf. There have been several cases discovered in the US as well, even though it is not routinely tested for. Canada tests heavily for it, and because of that, has found more cases. Mexico would have cases too if they ever actually tested. Canada intends to eventually test every animal prior to slaughter. The US has no intentions of testing for it. Wild deer have it (CWD), and moose, and buffalo had it too. In humans it's called alzheimers. It's everywhere, and quite natural. Just dont eat brain tissue or spinal chord where it resides, and no worries mate.#3, the import of Canadian cattle is what supports the US packing industry. Because of the border closure, the packing plants are going bankrupt, and the jobs are migrating to Canada. Tyson just closed two major plants, about 1000 unemployed families. Canada doesn't need more jobs. They've got more jobs than people. They've got millions of acres of grazing and very few people, and the US has milllions of people that need work. Hence, it's a great relationship until R-calf gets involved to generate income for the lawyers, so they can get their fair share too. An American tradition.#4, It's true, Americans are quite nieve about Canada participation in the war. In every major conflict in the past century, Canada has been US's closest ally, moreso than Britain or Australia. In WWI and WWII the US never joined until Canada had already been in the fight for several years. WWII officially started in 1939, but US never came in until 1942, when Pearl Harbor was attacked. There are many Canadian soldiers fighting under US command in Iraq, the Canadian Navy has been patrolling the Gulf since Iraq II began, and has intercepted many potential attacks, the Canadian army and air force are fully engaged in Afghanistan, where there were some actual reasons given (ie Bin Laden) to attack. We're still unclear about why Iraq. And finally, when Canada was involved in Somalia to prevent genocide, the US retreated, and the genocide continued. Now in Sudan, the US will not defend against blatant genocide either. I'm not saying Iraq was not justified, because Saddam was an evil man and getting too powerful in a very volatile part of the world, but if US foreign policy was consistent, Somalia and Sudan and Cambodia should have been slam dunks.

Thats all for now folks.

Another Canuck that babbles and rambles about everything while saying nothing- but blaming the whole world on R-CALF-- even now for these stories about the two singers :roll: ....Do you folks up north pee down your legs at just the mention of Bill or Leos name?....You will have those two idolized pretty soon :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

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