Looking at some young Angus Bull and could use a lottle help

[Big Swede]

That is a loaded question. Kind of like asking the perfect breed, the perfect calving season, the perfect size of cow, the perfect whatever, you get the idea. Personally I like calving ease so I try to take the moderate approach, 4 or less on cows, 2 or less on heifers. Come to think of it I like moderation in every trait, be it milk, growth, carcass, frame score.

Keep asking questions, this is the best site I know of to ask some very smart people their opinions. You may not agree with everyone but it is a great place to learn.

 

[Faster horses]

" I have bulls on my place that trace to Rito 707 over 100 times if you extended their pedigree far enough back".

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Wow!! What a basis for a cowherd. We started our herd with the
Rito line of cattle and was never sorry...and talk about explosive
growth...707 was one of the best foundation sires IMO. I also
really like the GD Viking cattle that Denny is using.

I never ever liked Bando 598. He was gone and then brought back
as a good female sire, but I never thought it would work.
They are tall and rather rail-ey type of cattle. Not my kind.

Do you have some pictures to share with us here, river rat?

 

[Big Swede]

If he's smart enough to post pictures he'll have to teach me too. River rat and his family are my sole source of Angus genetics. They aren't registered but the bulls don't seem to care. If he gets the picture thing figured out you won't be disappointed I guarantee. The stoutest, deepest herd of Angus cows I have ever seen.

 

[WVGenetics]

By the way, name another bull proven to be the source of genetic defects? :?

does throwing sh1tty calves count? :wink:

Justin...I busted out laughing when I read this...but I would have to agree that it would be a serious genetic defect if the calves are consistently bad. Not every mating will be good even with the best bulls but it sure does help to have a good one.

 

[Anonymous]

" I have bulls on my place that trace to Rito 707 over 100 times if you extended their pedigree far enough back".

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Wow!! What a basis for a cowherd. We started our herd with the
Rito line of cattle and was never sorry...and talk about explosive
growth...707 was one of the best foundation sires IMO. I also
really like the GD Viking cattle that Denny is using.

I agree---About what I'm finding using both the 707 and Shoshone Viking GD60 breeding... Explosive early growth but moderate mature sizes and good maternal...

In the last publication of Larry Leonhardts writings that came out about 6 months ago - "A Shoshone Collection" Larry's comment for Viking at that time was "Shoshone Viking (named for adventure)- He is "DUAL PURPOSE" Dominant for Growth- Maternal recessive available"...(And he is one of the Shoshone/Wye bred cattle that has been deemed RTF--recessive genetic trait free- by the AAA thru the amount of linebreeding that has been done with him)...

Due to a wire cut injury- I only have a few daughters producing of the Legacy son/707 grandson I had (that only traced back to 707 18 times- and a handful of times to Viking :wink: )- but got a few more this year that we kept--- and have a son out of a nice Cole Creek cow that I'm hoping to get some calves from in the spring- Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 06X # 16741353...

Will see how they do...

 

[river rat]

Faster Horses, I have people in the family that claim to know how to post pictures, so if I can get it figured out I will post some pictures in the near future. The bull I was referencing with Bando 598 in his pedigree is not loaded with it, in fact it's quite a ways back, but the CA is coming from his maternal grandsire Baldridge Kahuna. Our intensley lined Rito cattle were exceptional early on, but the longer we linebred it in we ran into a few issues( feet, udders, coarse made cows) that were not quite as predictable as we would have liked, so we started introducing mainly EXT bloodline cattle with them and it has accompolished most of what we were hoping for without sacraficing very much performance in the calves. Our cows are becoming a little smaller mature wise which is o.k. with me as our Rito cows were 1400-1500 lb. cows. If I can figure the picture thing out I will give you a glimpse of our cowherd. I think you will be intrigued, as it is a herd of cattle that has been bred with cowherd traits hammered in for generation after generation.

 

[Hay Feeder]

" I have bulls on my place that trace to Rito 707 over 100 times if you extended their pedigree far enough back".

----------------
Wow!! What a basis for a cowherd. We started our herd with the
Rito line of cattle and was never sorry...and talk about explosive
growth...707 was one of the best foundation sires IMO. I also
really like the GD Viking cattle that Denny is using.

I agree---About what I'm finding using both the 707 and Shoshone Viking GD60 breeding... Explosive early growth but moderate mature sizes and good maternal...

In the last publication of Larry Leonhardts writings that came out about 6 months ago - "A Shoshone Collection" Larry's comment for Viking at that time was "Shoshone Viking (named for adventure)- He is "DUAL PURPOSE" Dominant for Growth- Maternal recessive available"...(And he is one of the Shoshone/Wye bred cattle that has been deemed RTF--recessive genetic trait free- by the AAA thru the amount of linebreeding that has been done with him)...

Due to a wire cut injury- I only have a few daughters producing of the Legacy son/707 grandson I had (that only traced back to 707 18 times- and a handful of times to Viking :wink: )- but got a few more this year that we kept--- and have a son out of a nice Cole Creek cow that I'm hoping to get some calves from in the spring- Lazy Bar B Juanada Rito 06X # 16741353...

Will see how they do...

First of all Merry Christmas we all have alot to be thankful for.

Most of us that have spend many years developing cows herds. Do have great cattle. Its usually something not advertised or blow out of portortion.

Wouldn't it be great if (for those that belive in it)we Pfizer genetic test our herd bulls , best bull calf and the results would be better than these AI bulls. The AI company Pfizer deal may backfire on them pretty fast. I am sure they are alot bulls or cows out there that can do it.
But them again if several bulls would DNA better the AI companys or sales promoters would come up with something that would disolve the test.
I went though my bull calves (like most of everyone else does) thinking about a herd bull for next year. I have some ET bull calves out of these great matings that are heavly advertised herds . Only 5 bulls with the idea of herd bulls that would be full brothers to the next great one. However, kept comming back to two of my own bulls that are AI sired and out of cows I raised of the years that I forgot about that are much better than those ET bulls. Right now I am really like my own calves. I may Pfizer test those just for fun. Cost to do it is over a $100. AS the AI company manager told me I can not afford to do that. But thats one heck of lot less expensive than getting these ET calves going and registered.
My cattle are not of the breeding posted on the posted here.Just do not want to mention them to avoid a interent "my cattle are better than your cattle deal"
Have a great Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Looks like its going to be a good one for us folks in the agriculture world.
edited for grammer

 

[river rat]

Amen Hay Feeder!!! I agree with you in the fact that somone's top embryo can be implanted and raised with your own cattle that have been developed in your enviroment, and most of the time they aren't as good as your own. Been there and done that. I hope you didn't take me as bragging about our herd of cows,because they will never be as good as I strive for, but I did say they would be intriguing in the fact they are probably rare in terms of bloodlines as we used strictly Jorgensen intensley line bred bulls exclusively for about 15 years to load up the Rito and Band lines and are now basically cross breeding with another linebred bull in Ext. If you ever figure out if the Pfizer test is actually an accurate predictor of a young sires ability please post your thoughts. We bought two top bulls at Jorgensen's last spring and they had the test done and I did'nt know whether to put much stock in it or not :???: . Please post your thought's when you have made up your mind.

 

[Hay Feeder]

Just read between the lines of my earlier post is about all I can say about the Pfizer genomic test. I read a sale book online today some heifers had all their EPD charts, along with all the markers listed on Pfizer test. I was so confused I turned the page knowly I was going to post my ideas towards your question.
Anyone else get on and tell us your ideas. One of the cattle chat networks had someone online that actualy worked for one of the testing companies posting... about different testing questions..
I learned bigger K testing is in the pipeline that tell us everyting about the animal so the quest for having a fault free animal will NEVER BE achived.
I saw an ad on of of the new bulls that currently had it all looked like the poorest put together bull on earth.
I think it would be safe to say the cowboy drving his chore truck opening his own gates can tell how his cattle will do without any science. However the cattle owner setting behind the desk, with a dry cleaned suit on having his coffee poured for him will say this testing is the only way to raise cattle