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Then...with Iraq reeking of oil....why are we shipping in oil, to them, that we've refined? Seems we've got enough time to refine oil for them that cost them about 25cents or so a gallon.......with the shipping added in!!!! The refineries are running @ max production for others.....not for us it seems....hmmm....those gov't subsidies must be better than the market here after all the math is done.
 
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Then...with Iraq reeking of oil....why are we shipping in oil, to them, that we've refined? Seems we've got enough time to refine oil for them that cost them about 25cents or so a gallon.......with the shipping added in!!!! The refineries are running @ max production for others.....not for us it seems....hmmm....those gov't subsidies must be better than the market here after all the math is done.


Please cite one specific instance where product from a U. S. refinery was shipped to Iraq. (Leasve out any fuel that may have been in US military vehicles when they were shipped to Iraq.)Please provide the product and the refinery in the US. I believe that exporting petroleum from the US has been banned with the exception of Alaskan crude exchanges with Japan.

You do not know very much about the oil business!!!
 
looking at refinery production it appears that we are importing crude and not able to refine it, which is partly false, most fuels are refined before importing as you find that a barrel of oil (which contains 42 gallons) will yield something like 19 or 20 gallons of gasoline, depending on the refinery. it is easier and cheaper to ship refined product.

Thus the Saudi's ability to moderate world production has been based on thier "excess refinery capabilities" and not thier ability to ship crude.

Our problem at home has been our inability to increase or even relocate refinery production and the concentration in the gulf of the bulk of the capacity....this refinery capacity is needed to service our domestic production and is slowly being reduced in comparison to real demand growth.

when the hurricanes hit the gulf region the price skyrocketed due to the shutting down of the refineries and the elimination of the product in the pipelines.

by relocating and increasing our refinery production of domestic oil production, the price would decrease, because we would be placeing more product on the market, lessening our demand for imported "refined product"...

Just as increasing the ethonal production would lessen our dependance on the importation of MTBE, and supplement our domestic oil production.
"( For every barrel of ethanol produced, 1.2 barrels of petroleum are displaced.)"

so to say our lack of refinery capacity has no impact on domestic prices is wrong and any one with any economics education would easily see the DIRECT connection....as well as any one with a bit of common sense...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure/oil_gas/primer/primer.htm

In 2004, 81 ethanol plants in 20 states produced a record 3.41 billion gallons of ethanol—an increase of more than 109 percent from 2000.
http://www.ethanolfacts.com/production.html

lets see, if BUSH can be blamed for lack of interest in ethanol then how come ethonal production has increased 109% since 2000????? and to double in the near future??? just think if he paid any attention to it we would be swimming in the stuff....thus causeing a shortage of corn??? for which the liberals would then blame on the conservatives........

Congress passed the first major energy legislation in 13 years before leaving for its summer recess. Ethanol is a big winner in that bill. Many expect ethanol production to double, and new plants are being built all over the country.
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/08/30_hetlandc_energyethanol/
 
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What about not allowing any refineries to be built in this country since the 70's?


What do refineries have to do with the price of oil?


You seriously don't know what the refineries have to do with the price of oil? Seriously?
 
N Ellis said:
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What about not allowing any refineries to be built in this country since the 70's?


What do refineries have to do with the price of oil?


You seriously don't know what the refineries have to do with the price of oil? Seriously?

Why don't you take time to explain to me how the lack of refining capability in the US has caused the price of crude oil to go up? Apparently Faster Horses can't explain her claim.
 
Why don't you take time to explain to me how the lack of refining capability in the US has cause the price of crude oil to go up?
world demand has caused crude prices to go up not lack of refineing... but lack of refining has cause gas and fuel prices to go up.... limited supply high demand help with the high demand and cost of crude....
 
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Why don't you take time to explain to me how the lack of refining capability in the US has caused the price of crude oil to go up?

this is real simple.

If you had a million bushels of corn, and not one damn truck. your corn would be worthless....

but if your buddy, Saudi Arabia had ten billion bushels of corn and plenty of trucks he could supply the market.....at a price he sets.

we not only do not have the combine, the elevator, or the trucks , so what little corn we have sits in the ground while we buy Saudi's corn to feed our cattle.....

if we Combined (drilled), trucked (refined) and used our available resources we would place less demand on the market and by the law of supply and demand crude prices would lower.......

simple enough for you or should I use something easier?
 

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