"M"COOL - "a good law" Leo???????

[Mike]

I do know that many of the e-mail addresses are obsolete. Have changed providers etc. One that I know in particular is about three years obsolete.

 

[Anonymous]

OT: "Makes you wonder how many people speak the NCBA talk, but still are supporting R-CALF thru the back door.... Or if the info is all a crock...."

Interesting perspective!

Makes me wonder how many idiots read that list and think that everyone on R-CALF's email list actually supports them.

I know some on that list that just want to know what R-CALF's latest lies are.


~SH~

 

[Anonymous]

Makes me wonder how many idiots read that list and think that everyone on R-CALF's email list actually supports them.



~SH~

Thats what it was posted to suggest in response to Sandhuskers remark-- And thats what Randy posted it as on Agri-ville suggesting Canadians take repercussions against as....I wonder if MRJ knows shes on R-CALF's "membership" list too?.......

 

[rkaiser]

:shock: Sounded like a members list to me Oldtimer. Should have known better. Nothing a note sent by Email could do to show Rcalf members anything anyway. You guys are right and that is it. If you noticed I did question the validity of the list on Agriville, but do admit to being an idiot as well.

Very few Rcalfer's will ever show their flag I suspect. Except maybe some old horse farmer who has little actual business left in him anyway.

Randy Kaiser
Crossfield AB Canada

 

[Sandhusker]

Another liar, SH?

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ne03_osborne/042204MandatoryCOOl.html

 

[Anonymous]

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Very few Rcalfer's will ever show their flag I suspect. Except maybe some old horse farmer who has little actual business left in him anyway.

I resemble that remark!! :lol:

 

[Tommy]

rkaiser...Tommy, why would you not tell everyone in the world that you are a member of Rcalf. Pretty proud of that flag you fly as you avator, you must have pride in your chosen group as well. Why not make a list of all Rcalf members for me and other Canadians who have done a lot of business in the States and might not want to deal with people who hate our guts.

Everyone who reads this site knows I am a member of R-CALF.
I am proud to be an American and have fought for that flag. I am also proud to be an R-CALF member. I do not hate anyone, those are your words.
If you want a list, call up R-CALF and get it.

Why not put a mandatory Canadian flag stamp on all the meat Canada sells here instead of hiding it under a USDA grade stamp??

 

[Anonymous]

Randy K,

You were not the one who assumed everyone on that list supported R-CULT.



Sandhusker,

If you think you have a point, make it!



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Randy K,

You were not the one who assumed everyone on that list supported R-CULT.



Sandhusker,

If you think you have a point, make it!



~SH~

My point is you throw that "liar" word around very liberally. If Leo is a "liar" for saying MCOOL is a good law, then everybody else who says it is a good law also must either be liars or ignorant. So tell me, is Tom Osborne a liar? He must think it is a good law, he voted for it was is quite vocal.

 

[Tommy]

I don't think the list is very accurate, unless I missed it my e-mail and name is not on it. So who is putting out this false information?

 

[rkaiser]

Tommy - I believe that every box of beef that goes to the USA HAS Product of Canada on it. If you have a fight with your own countrymen, start a civil war. If you don't hate Canadian ranchers, why kick them in the nuts while AMI is holding them down?

 

[Tommy]

rkaiser...Tommy - I believe that every box of beef that goes to the USA HAS Product of Canada on it.

Yeah it does but gets throwed in the trash can after it gets here. Are you insisiting that it keeps the stamp to the consumer? I doubt it, you do not care as long as we sell it for you. I am doing all I know how to do to get it labeled as to where it came from. Are you? Or do you even care?

If trying to keep a good price for my cattle is kicking you in the nuts then I am guilty. I bet if the shoe was on the other foot then you would do the same.

 

[rkaiser]

No Tommy I would not be looking at kicking some producer who is down and really is truely not having a major impact on the American Market. If the Mutinationals need more cattle they could and are getting them from Mexico and elsewhere.

How much clout do you think I would have in a fight for COOL in the US. I don't sell the mutinationals cattle anyway; I do have a branded product. And could you answer an earlier question about packers weeding out those who forced a rule about labeling on them that does nothing for THEIR marketing scheme?

 

[Tommy]

rkaiser....And could you answer an earlier question about packers weeding out those who forced a rule about labeling on them that does nothing for THEIR marketing scheme?

Not sure what you mean, but if you think they will blackball every MCOOL supporter, then they will not get a lot of cattle. But I would bet I do not have a problem selling my cattle.

 

[rkaiser]

Tommy, and any other Rcalfer that will listen. I personally could give a rats a** if the border opens or not. I have my home front looked after except for my cull cows and a depressed bull market. I fight for Canadian independence and Canadian owned Packing capacity on th public side of the ledger.

I simply cannot understand your continued fight to stop the border from opening. I have yet to hear anything rational from any of you to back this fight. Short term price spikes may help a poor old boy like Oltimer get rid of his culls so his grandchildren get a wee little bigger inheritance, but what about the Rcalf boys that are in this for another 10 or 20 or 30 years. Look into the crystal ball for a moment. The future is Global. You don't want all of America to be left behind do you?

 

[Sandhusker]

Tommy, and any other Rcalfer that will listen. I personally could give a rats a** if the border opens or not. I have my home front looked after except for my cull cows and a depressed bull market. I fight for Canadian independence and Canadian owned Packing capacity on th public side of the ledger.

I simply cannot understand your continued fight to stop the border from opening. I have yet to hear anything rational from any of you to back this fight. Short term price spikes may help a poor old boy like Oltimer get rid of his culls so his grandchildren get a wee little bigger inheritance, but what about the Rcalf boys that are in this for another 10 or 20 or 30 years. Look into the crystal ball for a moment. The future is Global. You don't want all of America to be left behind do you?

Randy, you are right, the future is global. The writing is on the wall - more foreign beef will be coming to the US. All should not be gloom and doom as the opening of borders is supposed to work both ways. However, that is not what is happening. R-CALF is the only cattleman's organization that seems to notice and care that all of the free trade agreements that we have done lately and are in the process of doing are with beef exporting countries, not importing ones. They also have pointed out that while our tariffs are next to nothing on what we import, we are going against an average tariff of over 80% on our exports. That is EXACTLY why I support R-CALF. Canada is just one highly visible battle in the war to make this free trade deal fair.

I think you and I have the AMI and USDA pegged about the same. We both know how the AMI is leaning on the USDA (and CCA, for that matter) to achieve their goals. Both sides have said that the Canadian border issue will be precedent setting and will influence how the US trades for years to come. I don't want the precidence to be that AMI's profitabilty trumps all else, and that is what the Canadian border issues boils down to.
If the ball gets dropped here, the US cattleman will really be swimming upstream if they want a voice in trade issues that could make or break them.

As a R-CALF member, I harbor absolutly NO ill will to Canadian producers. I hope you guys make it and prosper. I sincerely do. You made the statement that R-CALF is kicking Canadians in the rocks while the AMI holds you down. I see it as the AMI using you folks to knock us
over the head to beat us into submission, and it's certainly worth $50 to me to for someone to stand up and call them out.

I'll say it one more time - the AMI is the root of the problems for both of us. A lot of money, a lot of power, and an agenda that is not the same as producers.

 

[sw]

as for this list, it is not accurate. There are people that I know who a members since the beginning and they are not on the list, also there are people that I know that aare against R-calf that are on the list, maybe to find out what the enemy is up to. Three people that I have found out recently that are paid members are not on the list. Also, no organization in the world has every member on email. And, why in the world would anybody put out a mailing list like that, I guess i should sell it to some porn site :twisted:

 

[Anonymous]

Sandhusker: "I see it as the AMI using you folks to knock us over the head to beat us into submission, and it's certainly worth $50 to me to for someone to stand up and call them out."

That's how you justify supporting a organization that stabs the Canadian producer in the back by lying about the safety of Canadian beef.

"DA PACKAH MADE US DO IT"

How ironic that AMI is not only wanting imported Canadian UTM cattle, they are suing to allow the importation of OTM cattle as well. Yup, the AMI must really be the enemey of the Canadian cattle producer Sandhusker.

Who the hell do you think you are fooling with your "conscience cleansing" blame of the AMI???


If R-CULT knew anything about trade, they would know that NAFTA has benefitted the U.S. cattle producer. We were in a $1.3 Billion dollar beef trade surplus prior to the border closures. Did R-CULT tell you that??? Hell no! Why? Cause it doesn't support their "afwaid to twade" isolationist agenda, that's why. When R-CULT was filing their loser dumping case against Canada, Mexico was filing one against us.



~SH~

 

[STAFF]

Meat Tracking Vital, McDonald's Exec Says

Omaha World-Herald, March 05, 2005


by Chris Clayton WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER


KEARNEY, Neb. -- The top executive in charge of buying beef for McDonald's said the fast-food company is expanding efforts to track meat from its origin.

Frank Muschetto, a McDonald's vice president, told producers at the Nebraska Governor's Agriculture Conference in Kearney that tracing beef to the producer is a "critical element" in ensuring food safety.

"We look at animal identification as a step along the way to help us make sure we have consumer confidence in our products," Muschetto said.

McDonald's has been tracking beef products to the meatpacker for several years. Now it wants to push tracking to the feedlots. Complicating the issue is that the average hamburger includes beef trimmings from several cattle.

"We recognize in the production of beef -- in the production of hamburger -- that individual lot identification is difficult," Muschetto said. "We would like animal identification back to its point of origin."

McDonald's bought about 1 billion pounds of U.S. beef last year. About 100 million pounds came from Nebraska meatpackers.

The company also uses beef from Australia and New Zealand in its hamburgers, though Muschetto said that remains only a small portion of its beef.

"Our focus is to buy United States to the extent as possible," Muschetto said.

McDonald's already is adept at tracing because regulations in Europe and Japan require more detailed standards for food companies. About 10 percent of McDonald's beef sold in the United States last year was fully traceable.

"Our standard is to have traceability and to maximize traceability for all of our products," Muschetto said.

The U.S. Agriculture Department is working to implement a voluntary animal identification system. The National Cattlemen's Beef Association wants to create a system that it would control.

"In our discussions with the beef associations, there has been support there as well," Muschetto said.

(C) 2005 Omaha World-Herald

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I don't think the list is very accurate, unless I missed it my e-mail and name is not on it. So who is putting out this false information?

I see people on it who are not ranchers nor do I think that they are donors and possibly not even supporters... This is maybe a list of people who want to get their press releases.

I figured out what that E-MAIL list is..

It's not R-CALF list it's Paris Hiltons E-MAIL list that got stolen . They must be all "BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE" on the list. :cowboy: :wink: