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MAD COW CONFIRMED ALABAMA

MRJ. They could have tested 600,000,000,000,000 and not got positives with the way they were running the testing. The Japs know it, I know it, and you should know it.

Wonder if they saved samples from those 3 false positives in 2004. Oh, that's right.....they announced that those might have been due to the "Newness" of the rapid tests and the technician inexperience. The Western Blot test has been around since 1999 and NEVER had a false positive.

The Harvard/Tuskeegee BSE Risk Asessment was so full of holes it looked like a firing range target.
 
ranch hand said:
Did this guy ever destroy all of his herd?

ALABAMA RANCHER WANTS $600,000 TO DESTROY HERD
Orlando Sentinel (OS) - Tuesday, April 9, 1996
BIRMINGHAM, ALA. - A rancher who owns the nation's largest herd of British cattle is driving a hard bargain with the state of Alabama, which wants to buy and destroy the animals in case they have been exposed to mad cow disease. Forrest Ingram of Vinemont is seeking about $600,000 for 29 Charolais cattle, which were brought into the country before fears of the illness prompted a federal import ban. The state can condemn and take the cattle, but must pay a fair price. And it doesn't think $600,000 is fair, even though Ingram's cattle have shown no signs of the illness.
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Mike, you raise Charolais, don't you? Did you ever buy cattle from that guy, or any of the bloodlines he had?

Actually, I did hear long ago that the govt did get all those cattle disposed of......but then again, some do not choose to believe our government, so who knows????
MRJ
 
MRJ said:
ranch hand said:
Did this guy ever destroy all of his herd?

ALABAMA RANCHER WANTS $600,000 TO DESTROY HERD
Orlando Sentinel (OS) - Tuesday, April 9, 1996
BIRMINGHAM, ALA. - A rancher who owns the nation's largest herd of British cattle is driving a hard bargain with the state of Alabama, which wants to buy and destroy the animals in case they have been exposed to mad cow disease. Forrest Ingram of Vinemont is seeking about $600,000 for 29 Charolais cattle, which were brought into the country before fears of the illness prompted a federal import ban. The state can condemn and take the cattle, but must pay a fair price. And it doesn't think $600,000 is fair, even though Ingram's cattle have shown no signs of the illness.
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Mike, you raise Charolais, don't you? Did you ever buy cattle from that guy, or any of the bloodlines he had?

Actually, I did hear long ago that the govt did get all those cattle disposed of......but then again, some do not choose to believe our government, so who knows????
MRJ
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I don't know the guy, or know anybody that does know him. I heard they settled on a deal with the guy, but am not sure. He don't belong to any associations that I am aware of. Never seen him have any in the sales.

Vinemont is a long ways from me. Up near the Tennessee line.
 
reader (the Second) said:
I lived in Texas 13 years. Not sure that most Texans consider themselves part of the Confederacy. The South, yes.
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I dont know "one" native Texan that does not consider themselves part of the Confederacy.............good luck
 
Oldtimer said:
Mike said:
Finally. Some Alabama cattle get recognition. :shock:
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Another Confederate cow!! You guys must be too far south to have a stock of those CCIA tags on hand :???: :wink: :lol:
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Those tags are gettin harder to find,those canuckle heads are getting smart in their old age.............good luck
 
Don't ya know that anybody in the souteast that sold some cull Gerts in the last year are worried. How would you feel if USDA pulled up to your place and said one of your cull cows just turned up positive for BSE and now they need all your records to find any birth cohorts and progeny from this cow. If she is from a purebred herd that could be some costly testing for a persons breeding program.

Our Vet pulls samples of any cow that dies on our place. Thats 3 this winter out of 300 cows and 6 since they started the program. He says he pulls a couple every week from his clients animals. These are all downer and found dead animal which should be high risk cases.

Makes me kinda nervous but if we are to get BSE behind us they am willing to do what is needed.

Johnny
 
We will see how the brand and mainfest (or lack of them) system works in this traceout.

Hopefully good enough to retain foreign and domestic confidence.
 
Just found out it was a small place with less than 40 head.

Having a TV special on tonite at 10:00 P.M. Central. Local station is going to have all the state vets and health dept officials. A 1 hour special!!!!!!

Heck I just heard the State Vet on CNN radio. NATIONAL. This is big time for Alabama folks.

Also heard the auction barn down the road may not have their weekly sale tomorrow. Chewing tobacco sales will be hit hard and the good folks who run the restaurant will lose a paycheck. Haulers around here won't have anything to do. I guess the beer joints will be OK. :wink:
 
This is the perfect example of why we need the mandatory ID system.

If this cow is around 10 years old as they say and has been on this farm for less than 1 year she was probably culled from somewhere and sent to the local stockyard. She has long since lost the backtag they put on her. If the guy who ownes her now didn't record when and where he purchased her along with the backtag number there is no way to trace her backwards.

I purchased 150 older short and solid bred cows 2 years ago. I bought them at 4 different stockyard each week for about 6 weeks. If one of those cows came up positive there would be no way to trace them backwards to their herd of origen.

Maybe after enough of these cases we will get on the ball and move forward with mandatory ID.

Johnny
 
Broke-T said:
Mike, do you know Harold Pate or Buck Compton? I have bought and sold a few Charolais cattle with them.
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I know both of them VERY well. Harold is just down the road from me a few miles. We are partners in a bull and have been friends for over 40 years.

I have consigned a few bulls in Buck's sale over the years. Both good folks. I think a lot of them. I am between Lowndesboro and Montgomery. Near the airport.
 
My Father and I were in the Charolais business for several years and bought several cows from both of them. Not many cattlemen out there nicer to work with than Buck. Always went out of his way to treat us right.

Haven't talked to either one the last couple of years since we put angus bulls on our cows ang gave up on making a living in the PB busines.

Johnny
 
Mike said:
We are partners in a bull and have been friends for over 40 years.
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Hokey dokey, Mike, I didn't think you sounded old enuff to have known anybody for 40 years!














Don't think about it too long. It might not seem so complimentary. :nod: :lol2: :wink:
 
Broke-T said:
This is the perfect example of why we need the mandatory ID system.

If this cow is around 10 years old as they say and has been on this farm for less than 1 year she was probably culled from somewhere and sent to the local stockyard. She has long since lost the backtag they put on her. If the guy who ownes her now didn't record when and where he purchased her along with the backtag number there is no way to trace her backwards.

I purchased 150 older short and solid bred cows 2 years ago. I bought them at 4 different stockyard each week for about 6 weeks. If one of those cows came up positive there would be no way to trace them backwards to their herd of origen.

Maybe after enough of these cases we will get on the ball and move forward with mandatory ID.

Johnny
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You are right on with your comments Johnny and your concern is shared by many American producers I know and there will probably be more come onside after this latest traceout.
 
katrina said:
Don't they brand down there Mike? If so couldn't they trace her by brands???
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Only a few brand. No ID is the norm here. Most of the commercial guys down here couldn't tell you decade their cows were born in.

Bangs tags will be the ticket to finding this cow's origin. She will have one if she's that old.
 
Maple Leaf Angus said:
Mike said:
We are partners in a bull and have been friends for over 40 years.
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Hokey dokey, Mike, I didn't think you sounded old enuff to have known anybody for 40 years!


I keep my adolescent sense of humor by making dang sure I don't act like some of those older farts!



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Tam said:
Mike said:
Red Robin said:
It's probably in the water. Alabama touches the gulf which touches both oceans which touch Canada. See the connection?
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If Tam would just let the Canadians start testing, maybe we could rid ourselves of this scourge.......... :roll: :roll:
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Sorry boys Canada's cluster area is in Alberta and Alberta doesn't touch the Ocean So you will just have to look for another connection :wink:
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Well for once you are right Miss Tam,but I find it mighty strange that when the wind is blowing outa the north a fews days later BSE shows up :shock: ...............good luck
 

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