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MAD COW CONFIRMED ALABAMA

Oldtimer said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Oldtimer said:
MR-- Read before you speak...The post following the one you quoted explains that the RFID tags will cost me $3- which also allows me to record birthdates in the computer ......But the additional costs will come later in the program if it goes ahead as proposed...There is an unknown cost to implement it......

As far as your brand scenerio- I have seen cows with 20-30 brands on them....Local office used to have a picture of one- and for the hell of it the inspectors traced the old cow back to where she was born.... Many times it is quite easy to determine the first brand that was put on as a calf....

You have the same problem with tags in Canada since you are not doing individual ownership data base changes....Right now all the CCIA tag tells anyone is who was the last person to stick one in it.....

OT - are you saying that everyone in the US that buys livestock uses a "brand"? If not, then how do you trace an animal back to those who were in possesion of that animal in between each owner who branded? I can't see how that would be a considered a reliable way to track animals. I keep records of all of my animals CCIA tag numbers along with the description, any previous brands etc. This happens for each animal that arrives and leaves my farm. I believe it's called organization and lots of people just arn't organized.

Not everyone brands- but probably close to 99% of the cattle in Montana are branded and rebranded on ownership changes- many do it right in the yards before they haul them out-- cattle going into the local feedlots are rebranded as they come off the truck -- with a record of the ownership change kept in the state files....And a good many have used eartags and redbooks for years...

Tell me this-- Hypothetical-- You take 200 calves to the salebarn- unbranded- but with a CCIA tag in it....They get split- heifers and steers- steers sell in 2 sorts to different buyers with 3 peanut calves being cut back and selling individually to 3 other buyers...Then the heifers sell in 3 sorts- top sort of 20 going to someone who wants them as replacement heifers....First question- Do you know where each individual calf went? Does the CCIA record the individual numbers on each sale?

Then those 20 heifers get throwed in a pen with 180 more replacement heifers that fellow bought from 3 different owners that day - all unbranded....When he gets them home over the next year 5% of those lose their tag the first year- Now he has 10 he has no idea where they come from- over the next 3 years he has 30 (5% loss) more lose their tags-- Now out of the original 200- there is 40 that he has no idea where they came from.....So if he sells out tommorrow- Out of his 200 head herd there are 40 unknowns....

That is the reason I believe a tag alone won't work worth a hoot.....At least with the hot iron brand you have something permanent to go back to....I know from experience as I've bought heifers in the past- and they have lost their tags- and without the brand they all look alike- black....


OT- Good way to devert the truth that Brands dont work for tracking. You better stick to raising horses!!!


As for RFID tags I believe with record keeping by the owners of the cattle we can have a very failsafe system. The CFIA has proved that our tags up here do WORK. And the Japanese have faith in the system that is why we are shipping beef over there and you arent. Don t criticise our system til you try it.
 
Thank You MR- You answered my question...You have know idea where your calves went to and if they lose that tag the guy who bought them has no way of knowing or tracing where they came from :roll: ......
 
OT-

I know where all of my calves go they stay in the feedlot til they are fat and then they head west to the plant.

By the way your deverting again you ole devil.... :evil: :wink:
 
Subject: Government to scale back mad cow testing dispite confirmation of third case
Date: March 14, 2006 at 6:42 pm PST

Posted on Tue, Mar. 14, 2006

Government to scale back mad cow testing
LIBBY QUAID
Associated Press
WASHINGTON - Despite the confirmation of a third case of mad cow disease, the government intends to scale back testing for the brain-wasting disorder blamed for the deaths of more than 150 people in Europe.

The Agriculture Department boosted its surveillance after finding the first case of mad cow disease in the United States in 2003. About 1,000 tests are run daily, up from about 55 daily in 2003.

The testing program detected an infected cow in Alabama last week, and further analysis confirmed Monday that the animal had mad cow disease.

Still, a reduction in testing has been in the works for months. The department's chief veterinarian, John Clifford, mentioned it when he announced the new case of mad cow disease.

"As we approach the conclusion of our enhanced surveillance program, let me offer a few thoughts," Clifford said, explaining that the U.S. will follow international standards for testing.

Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns pointed out testing is not a food safety measure. Rather, it's a way to find out the prevalence of the disease.

"Keep in mind the testing was for surveillance," Johanns told reporters Monday in Warsaw, Poland, where he was attending trade talks. "It was to get an idea of the condition of the herd."

Higher testing levels were intended to be temporary when they were announced two years ago.

Yet consumer groups argue more animals should be tested, not fewer. Officials haven't finalized new levels, but the department's budget proposal calls for 40,000 tests annually, or about 110 daily.

"This would be a tenth of a percent of all animals slaughtered," Jean Halloran, director of food policy initiatives at Consumers Union, said Tuesday. "This starts to be so small that in our opinion, it approaches a policy of don't look, don't find."

Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin said the confidence of American consumers and foreign customers is at risk.

"USDA ought to continue a sound surveillance testing program to demonstrate that U.S. beef is indeed safe and that anti-BSE safeguards are, in fact, working," said Harkin, senior Democrat on the Senate Agriculture Committee.

Consumer groups want every animal to be tested, said Gary Weber, head of regulatory affairs for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association in Denver.

"It's not cost-effective; it's not necessary," Weber said. "The consumers we've done focus groups with are comfortable that this is a very rare disease and we've got safeguards in place."

He mentioned government protections to keep the disease from the food chain for people or animals.

"All those things add up to safety," he said.

The department mostly tests older cows with symptoms of the disease. Infected cows can show signs of nervous system disorder, such as aggression, lack of coordination, inability to walk or abnormal posture. In the latest case, the cow couldn't walk. It was a "downer," another sign of the disease. Dead cows are also suspect.

Tests are done on brain tissue from cows, so animals must be killed before they can be tested. There is no test for the disease in a live animal.

Since June 2004, the department has tested 652,697 cows for the disease. The nation has about 95 million cattle.

The medical name for mad cow disease is bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE. In humans, eating meat contaminated with BSE is linked to variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, a rare and deadly nerve disease.

An outbreak in the United Kingdom killed more than 180,000 cows and was blamed for more than 150 human deaths. It began in 1986 and spread throughout Europe, peaking in 1993.

The first American case appeared 10 years later in Washington state in a Canadian-born cow. The disease was found again last June in a Texas cow.

ON THE NET

Agriculture Department: http://www.usda.gov




http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/breaking_news/14098470.htm





greetings,


> WASHINGTON - Despite the confirmation of a third case of mad cow disease, the

> government intends to scale back testing


is this not the biggest hoot you ever heard, they never started with any kind of credible BSE testing protocol to begin with. the usda june 2004 enhanced bse surveillance program is the biggest joke now going around the globe now. everyone is laughing at it. if the long arm of GWs regime does not come forth and demand the complete overhaul of the usda minus home land security, and retest at least everyone of the 600,000+ cows in the enhance cover-up of june 2004 of bse, then this past 20 months of so of testing has fooled no one, maybe some at the federal gov level and some cattle ranchers/feeders, but most of them are as fed up with usda et al as i am. ....



National Veterinary Services Laboratory (NVSL) Immunohistochemistry (IHC) Testing Summary

The BSE enhanced surveillance program involves the use of a rapid screening test, followed by confirmatory testing for any samples that come back "inconclusive." The weekly summary below captures all rapid tests conducted as part of the enhanced surveillance effort. It should be noted that since the enhanced surveillance program began, USDA has also conducted approximately 9,200 routine IHC tests on samples that did not first undergo rapid testing. This was done to ensure that samples inappropriate for the rapid screen test were still tested, and also to monitor and improve upon IHC testing protocols. Of those 9,200 routine tests, one test returned a non-definitive result on July 27, 2005. That sample underwent additional testing at NVSL, as well as at the Veterinary Laboratories Agency in Weybridge, England, and results were negative.
To view the IHC testing numbers from 1990 through 2004, click on the following link: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/surveillance/figure2f.html

Weekly Summary

Cumulative Total from June 1, 2004: 439,126



http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/surveillance/figure2f.html


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse_testing/test_results.html



USDA 2003

We have to be careful that we don't get so set in the way we do things that
we forget to look for different emerging variations of disease. We've gotten
away from collecting the whole brain in our systems. We're using the brain
stem and we're looking in only one area. In Norway, they were doing a
project and looking at cases of Scrapie, and they found this where they did
not find lesions or PRP in the area of the obex. They found it in the
cerebellum and the cerebrum. It's a good lesson for us. Ames had to go
back and change the procedure for looking at Scrapie samples. In the USDA,
we had routinely looked at all the sections of the brain, and then we got
away from it. They've recently gone back.
Dr. Keller: Tissues are routinely tested, based on which tissue provides an
'official' test result as recognized by APHIS
.

Dr. Detwiler: That's on the slaughter. But on the clinical cases, aren't
they still asking for the brain? But even on the slaughter, they're looking
only at the brainstem. We may be missing certain things if we confine
ourselves to one area.


snip.............


Dr. Detwiler: It seems a good idea, but I'm not aware of it.
Another important thing to get across to the public is that the negatives
do not guarantee absence of infectivity. The animal could be early in the
disease and the incubation period. Even sample collection is so important.
If you're not collecting the right area of the brain in sheep, or if
collecting lymphoreticular tissue, and you don't get a good biopsy, you
could miss the area with the PRP in it and come up with a negative test.
There's a new, unusual form of Scrapie that's been detected in Norway. We
have to be careful that we don't get so set in the way we do things that we
forget to look for different emerging variations of disease. We've gotten
away from collecting the whole brain in our systems. We're using the brain
stem and we're looking in only one area. In Norway, they were doing a
project and looking at cases of Scrapie, and they found this where they did
not find lesions or PRP in the area of the obex. They found it in the
cerebellum and the cerebrum. It's a good lesson for us. Ames had to go
back and change the procedure for looking at Scrapie samples. In the USDA,
we had routinely looked at all the sections of the brain, and then we got
away from it. They've recently gone back.

Dr. Keller: Tissues are routinely tested, based on which tissue provides an
'official' test result as recognized by APHIS
.

Dr. Detwiler: That's on the slaughter. But on the clinical cases, aren't
they still asking for the brain? But even on the slaughter, they're looking
only at the brainstem. We may be missing certain things if we confine
ourselves to one area.


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yep, Dr. Detwiler tried telling them, but GW et all and there 'corporate science' know's best $$$


Testing Options for Mad Cow Said Limited

By LIBBY QUAID
The Associated Press
Wednesday, August 17, 2005; 8:04 PM


WASHINGTON -- The Agriculture Department acknowledged Wednesday that its testing options for mad cow disease were limited in 9,200 cases despite its effort to expand surveillance throughout the U.S. herd.

In those cases, only one type of test was used _ one that failed to detect the disease in an infected Texas cow.


The department posted the information on its Web site because of an inquiry from The Associated Press.

Conducted over the past 14 months, the tests have not been included in the department's running tally of mad cow disease tests since last summer. That total reached 439,126 on Wednesday.

"There's no secret program," the department's chief veterinarian, John Clifford, said in an interview. "There has been no hiding, I can assure you of that."

Officials intended to report the tests later in an annual report, Clifford said.

These 9,200 cases were different because brain tissue samples were preserved with formalin, which makes them suitable for only one type of test _ immunohistochemistry, or IHC.

In the Texas case, officials had declared the cow free of disease in November after an IHC test came back negative. The department's inspector general ordered an additional kind of test, which confirmed the animal was infected.

Veterinarians in remote locations have used the preservative on tissue to keep it from degrading on its way to the department's laboratory in Ames, Iowa. Officials this year asked veterinarians to stop using preservative and send fresh or chilled samples within 48 hours.

The department recently investigated a possible case of mad cow disease that turned up in a preserved sample. Further testing ruled out the disease two weeks ago.

Scientists used two additional tests _ rapid screening and Western blot _ to help detect mad cow disease in the country's second confirmed case, in a Texas cow in June. They used IHC and Western blot to confirm the first case, in a Washington state cow in December 2003.

"The IHC test is still an excellent test," Clifford said. "These are not simple tests, either."

Clifford pointed out that scientists reran the IHC several times and got conflicting results. That happened, too, with the Western blot test. Both tests are accepted by international animal health officials.

The formal name for mad cow disease is bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE.

In humans, consuming meat products tainted with BSE is linked to a fatal disorder called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. The disease has killed about 150 people, most of them in Britain, where there was an outbreak in the 1980s and 1990s.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/17/AR2005081701635.html




THE USA JUNE 2004 Enhanced BSE program was a sham. it should be totally scrapped and every cow for human and or animal consumption should be retested, with proper protocol annually for 5 years. nothing less should be accepted now. the feed ban was a sham, the testing was a sham, it is exactly as myself and many others have been saying for almost a decade. TSEs are rampant in the USA. THIS is why GW et al force fed everyone this BSe MRR policy, nothing more than a legal pass to trade all TSEs from the USA around the Globe. commodities and futures, to hell with human health.

THE USA BSE GBR RISK ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REASSESSED TO BSE GBR IV.

>>>"There's no secret program," the department's chief veterinarian, John Clifford, said in an interview. "There has been no hiding, I can assure you of that."<<<


r i g h t, and there's no mad cows in the USA and North America. these people are as corrupt as they get.

THERE should be an inquiry into this continued incompetence of the USDA et al. my God, we have all become exposed to this deadly agent due to there continued lies, deceit and cover ups.in essence, what the USDA did in force feeding the globe all these TSEs, was far worse than what MAFF did in exporting there poison around the globe in the 80s. the USA has exposed the globe to there poison by this BSE/TSE MRR policy, and if you dont eat it, they'll just through sanctions at you. ...


EFSA Scientific Report on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE-Risk (GBR) of the United States of America (USA)
Publication date: 20 August 2004
Adopted July 2004 (Question N° EFSA-Q-2003-083)

Report

Summary
Summary of the Scientific Report

The European Food Safety Authority and its Scientific Expert Working Group on the Assessment of the Geographical Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) Risk (GBR) were asked by the European Commission (EC) to provide an up-to-date scientific report on the GBR in the United States of America, i.e. the likelihood of the presence of one or more cattle being infected with BSE, pre-clinically as well as clinically, in USA. This scientific report addresses the GBR of USA as assessed in 2004 based on data covering the period 1980-2003.

The BSE agent was probably imported into USA and could have reached domestic cattle in the middle of the eighties. These cattle imported in the mid eighties could have been rendered in the late eighties and therefore led to an internal challenge in the early nineties. It is possible that imported meat and bone meal (MBM) into the USA reached domestic cattle and leads to an internal challenge in the early nineties.

A processing risk developed in the late 80s/early 90s when cattle imports from BSE risk countries were slaughtered or died and were processed (partly) into feed, together with some imports of MBM. This risk continued to exist, and grew significantly in the mid 90's when domestic cattle, infected by imported MBM, reached processing. Given the low stability of the system, the risk increased over the years with continued imports of cattle and MBM from BSE risk countries.

EFSA concludes that the current GBR level of USA is III, i.e. it is likely but not confirmed that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent. As long as there are no significant changes in rendering or feeding, the stability remains extremely/very unstable. Thus, the probability of cattle to be (pre-clinically or clinically) infected with the BSE-agent persistently increases.


http://www.efsa.eu.int/science/efsa_scientific_reports/gbr_assessments/573_en.html




From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. [[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected].; BSE-L
Subject: Docket No. 2003N-0312 Animal Feed Safety System [TSS SUBMISSION
TO DOCKET 2003N-0312]

Greetings FDA,

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PLUS, if the USA continues to flagrantly ignore the _documented_ science to date about the known TSEs in the USA (let alone the undocumented TSEs in cattle), it is my opinion, every other Country that is dealing with BSE/TSE should boycott the USA and demand that the SSC reclassify the USA BSE GBR II risk assessment to BSE/TSE GBR III 'IMMEDIATELY'. for the SSC to _flounder_ any longer on this issue, should also be regarded with great suspicion as well. NOT to leave out the OIE and it's terribly flawed system of disease surveillance. the OIE should make a move on CWD in the USA, and make a risk assessment on this as a threat to human health. the OIE should also change the mathematical formula for testing of disease. this (in my opinion and others) is terribly flawed as well. to think that a sample survey of 400 or so cattle in a population of 100 million, to think this will find anything, especially after seeing how many TSE tests it took Italy and other Countries to find 1 case of BSE (1 million rapid TSE test in less than 2 years, to find 102 BSE cases), should be proof enough to make drastic changes of this system. the OIE criteria for BSE Country classification and it's interpretation is very problematic. a text that is suppose to give guidelines, but is not understandable, cannot be considered satisfactory. the OIE told me 2 years ago that they were concerned with CWD, but said any changes might take years. well, two years have come and gone, and no change in relations with CWD as a human health risk. if we wait for politics and science to finally make this connection, we very well may die before any decisions
or changes are made. this is not acceptable. we must take the politics and the industry out of any final decisions of the Scientific community. this has been the problem from day one with this environmental man made death sentence. some of you may think i am exaggerating, but you only have to see it once, you only have to watch a loved one die from this one time, and you will never forget, OR forgive...yes, i am still very angry... but the transmission studies DO NOT lie, only the politicians and the industry do... and they are still lying to this day...TSS


http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/03n0312/03N-0312_emc-000001.txt





still disgusted in bacliff texas...TSS
 
Yip that's it. Don't want to find too many. Just enough to keep things unstable. It's working in the packers favour now, so why mess with it. The only ones suffering are the producers of Canada and the USA ---- let's keep it that way.
 
rkaiser said:
Yip that's it. Don't want to find too many. Just enough to keep things unstable. It's working in the packers favour now, so why mess with it. The only ones suffering are the producers of Canada and the USA ---- let's keep it that way.

Randy,you aint gonna have any luck trying to unite the cattle man,too many nit wits like manitoba Rancher that are DUM living at home with daddy in his thirties,pretending he is a cattle man,and packer employee's like Miss Tam,I have long suspected she works in a packer front office...................good luck
 
Not to mention level headed Rcalf boys (see previous posts) who still want to feed the mutinationals bellies with the infectious disease dream of stopping Canadian cattle from invading their country. :roll:
 
rkaiser said:
Not to mention level headed Rcalf boys (see previous posts) who still want to feed the mutinationals bellies with the infectious disease dream of stopping Canadian cattle from invading their country. :roll:

Dont forget the canuckle heads that have been protecting these packers,they are more of a problem than some of these level headed R CALFER's will ever be,packers got em brain washed into believeing R CALF is out to get them,nothing could be farther from the truth than that lie.
R CALF wants to bring some fairness to the cattle buisness,M COOL and the Captive supply reform act will go a long way in createing some fairness..................good luck
 
Dont forget the canuckle heads that have been protecting these packers,they are more of a problem than some of these level headed R CALFER's will ever be,packers got em brain washed into believeing R CALF is out to get them,nothing could be farther from the truth than that lie.
R CALF wants to bring some fairness to the cattle buisness,M COOL and the Captive supply reform act will go a long way in createing some fairness..................good luck

Can't argue with much there Haymaker, except maybe to say that you're dreaming if you think MCOOL will help much.

Have you helped any young ladies up on the bus lately?
 
rkaiser said:
Dont forget the canuckle heads that have been protecting these packers,they are more of a problem than some of these level headed R CALFER's will ever be,packers got em brain washed into believeing R CALF is out to get them,nothing could be farther from the truth than that lie.
R CALF wants to bring some fairness to the cattle buisness,M COOL and the Captive supply reform act will go a long way in createing some fairness..................good luck

Can't argue with much there Haymaker, except maybe to say that you're dreaming if you think MCOOL will help much.

Have you helped any young ladies up on the bus lately?

Randy we cannot wait till packers set up camp in south america to push M COOL,"WE NEED IT NOW" it's not perfect but it is a start,seems like everything in life is a trade off,some how we have to break this packer monopoly,R CALF is our best chance...............good luck
PS No been to busy to help those ladies,some times folks hafta help themselves :wink:
 
##################### Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy #####################


Subject: Mad cow probe difficult
Date: March 15, 2006 at 7:48 am PST


Mad cow probe difficult
Wednesday, March 15, 2006
DAVE PARKS, and KENT FAULK
News staff writers
Officials struggled Tuesday to trace the history of a cow in Alabama confirmed with mad cow disease, but cattle markets remained strong amid the uncertainty.

"We're working around the clock on this," said Dr. Tony Frazier, Alabama state veterinarian.

Frazier said two state officials and two federal officials were working at the farm where the cow died and was buried. He said officials may have to exhume the animal's carcass for more testing to verify its age



A private veterinarian euthanized the sick animal and took samples that were sent to the University of Georgia for analysis.

Officials confirmed Monday that the cow was infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as mad cow disease. It was the nation's third case of the brain-wasting disease. Authorities said the two previous cases caused declines in cattle prices, but markets reported Tuesday that prices were stable or even up a little.

Officials stressed that the cow, which was used to produce calves, was not processed for food, and there was no threat to human health.

In addition, the veterinarian who euthanized the cow estimated it to be more than 10 years old, an important point since it would have been born before the 1997 ban on putting ground-up cattle remains in cattle feed - the main method of transmitting mad cow disease. Frazier said authorities are likely to exhume the animal's carcass because a more precise age can be calculated through more analysis of the cow's teeth.

The cow had been on the Alabama farm for less than a year, and investigators were trying to determine where it was before that and learn whether other animals were infected.

Frazier said it was difficult to trace the cow's history, demonstrating the need for a better method of tracking cattle in the United States. "That is an issue for us," he said.

Alabama Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks said that burying the cow at the Alabama farm was allowed by state regulations. However, the carcass will likely be disposed in one of the state's two tissue digestors. The machines use a combination of high temperature, high pressure and alkaline treatments to reduce diseased animal tissue to a safe byproduct, Sparks said.



Undisclosed location :

State and federal agriculture officials continued to withhold the location of the farm where the cow died, other than to say it's in Alabama.

"Sooner or later the public needs to trust the government a little bit," Frazier said. "There's no public threat."



Sparks said confidentiality was necessary because it was the only way to get farmers to report diseases.

"What happens if we give this farmer away and the next farmer doesn't call us and we have to hunt for these cases?" Sparks said. "The last thing we need is for folks to go underground, not give us the information we need to protect the public."

Meanwhile, a cattle-breeding authority complained Tuesday about federal agriculture officials telling the press that the sick cow was a Santa Gertrudis breed.

"I'm disappointed that they used the name of the specific breed without knowing that to be positively true," said Howard Tinney, president of Santa Gertrudis Breeders International of Kingsville, Texas.

Tinney, who owns a Santa Gertrudis farm near Hanceville, said it was doubtful that the cow was a purebred Santa Gertrudis. If it were, it would be easy to trace.

"When a calf is born, it's identified, it's registered and every time it changes hands there's a record," he said. "If it had been a purebred animal, we would have already found the answer of where it originated from."

He said all that agriculture officials have to do is call his organization for the records, and they will be supplied immediately. "But no one from the USDA has been in contact."



Mad cow probe difficult
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Jim Rogers, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, said the USDA was told by the cow's owner that it was a Santa Gertrudis breed but had not checked with the organization. He said USDA officials would do so.

In other developments, cattle prices were stable at auctions Tuesday, but some markets reported that the number of cattle being sold appeared to be down slightly because of uncertainty created by the newest case of mad cow disease.

"It probably impacted our numbers," said Billy Younkin of Mid-State Stockyards in Letohatchee. About 800 head had been expected to sell at the auction Tuesday, but only 500 were brought to market, he said. Younkin said some sellers probably stayed home to see how the market would react.




A spokesman for Fort Payne Stockyard said the situation was the same there; prices were strong but the number of cattle brought to market was down slightly.

Food supply safe:

Some cattlemen at Arab Livestock Market Inc. said the press was making too much of the situation and the safeguards in place were protecting the food supply.

"We feel like the system has worked. ... It has caught the problem," said Robbie Gibbs, a cattleman and owner of the market.

"The biggest concern is people are going to lose confidence in the product we're producing," he said. "I feel like we have the safest product in the world."

Eric Green, of the Egypt community in Etowah County, was at the market to sell one cow and five calves. The calves averaged $1.20 a pound, he said. "I was well satisfied with that. I don't believe they took a hit because of the mad cow."

Many cattlemen said they've been through several similar scares.

"It'll cause a little ripple in the market but not enough to amount to anything," said Andrew Chambers, a Holly Pond cattleman who went to the Arab auction to buy a few heifer calves. "I'm more concerned about the bird flu than mad cow."

He turned over his chicken business to his son two months ago.

News staff writer Mary Orndorff contributed to this report. [email protected]





http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114241904992710.xml&coll=2&thispage=1




http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114241904992710.xml&coll=2&thispage=2




http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/114241904992710.xml&coll=2&thispage=3




[EDITORIAL]Mad cow disease in U.S.


The confirmation of a new case of mad cow disease in the United States shows that the country is still vulnerable to the deadly infection. This requires government officials here to review their decision to lift a three-year-old ban on imports of U.S. beef, which had been imposed for the same reason, by the end of this month.

U.S. officials said the cow which tested positive for bovine spongiform encephalopathy was found at a farm in Alabama. They said the cow did not enter the food chain and was destroyed on the spot, and the case should not scare other nations away from American beef.

The U.S. side bases its insistence on the argument that an examination showed the cow is at least 10 years old and that the latest discovery came after the test of 652,000 high-risk animals. That demonstrates the prevalence of BSE in the United States is extremely low and declining, it said.

Korean officials also say that if the cow was born after April 1998, when the United States strengthened anti-mad cow disease measures, including tougher rules on animal feed, it should not affect the plan to resume imports of American beef. The two sides have an agreement which gives Seoul the right to halt imports if a cow that was born after April 1998 in the United States is stricken by the disease.

The latest development may be disappointing to U.S. officials and the American beef industry, but it is rather fortunate, for both the Korean and the U.S. sides, that the report came before the resumption of imports of American beef.

Both the Korean and U.S. sides will first have to get more details about the latest case. However, the fact that the cow was born before the date the United States toughened measures against the disease falls short of convincing consumers about the safety of U.S. beef. Not to be ignored is the fact that it is the third such case reported in the country.

The cases of Japan and Hong Kong, in which authorities re-imposed a ban on American beef for including bones in their shipments, should also offer a lesson to Korean officials. They demonstrate that the previous agreement to allow imports of only meat from cows 30 months old or younger is not without loopholes. The beef import issue may be negotiated as a trade issue, but the protection of public health should not be compromised.




2006.03.16




http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/03/16/200603160020.asp





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Some cattlemen at Arab Livestock Market Inc. said the press was making too much of the situation and the safeguards in place were protecting the food supply.

"We feel like the system has worked. ... It has caught the problem," said Robbie Gibbs, a cattleman and owner of the market.

"The biggest concern is people are going to lose confidence in the product we're producing," he said. "I feel like we have the safest product in the world."

Sure is a different road than R-Calf has taken. Must be time for them to hold another press conference with some consumer groups or take out another ad in the Washington Post.
 
Haymaker I will pretend that I didnt read that. If you put more thought into what you said on here people may respect you. You seem to like to bash Canadians for some reason. IS it because your an ignorant American? I respect all of my neighbors to the south and think very highly of the USA but Im loosing faith in you, after all of your name calling against TAM, BMR, and myself.
 
Add to all the speculation of how USDA is, or is not doing their job correctly in finding and identifying this cow, and the disposal, comments on BSE in general by the govt authorities, and peoples' comments on this thread is something hear on radio in all areas where the Derry Brownfield show is heard.

That hero of the SD R-CALF crowd, whom I realize probably most of you posting here have never head of, is saying the government HAD to find, or to claim to find, a cow with BSE in order to preserve all the millions of government jobs they have put on to deal with BSE.

Yes, you read that right! He said there are MILLIONS of government workers devoted to dealing with BSE in the testing program and other areas related to BSE.

So how are the USDA people supposed to please these people? One day they are bit*&%ng because there are not enough tested....and the testing is done so as to be certain none are "found" by hiding results....and another day they are claiming testing is being done to make sure one is found so they can CONTINUE the useless testing program!!!!!!

What would be wrong with listening to, and basing action on recommendations of the best scientists in the International scientific community?

MRJ
 
Sparks said confidentiality was necessary because it was the only way to get farmers to report diseases.

"What happens if we give this farmer away and the next farmer doesn't call us and we have to hunt for these cases?" Sparks said. "The last thing we need is for folks to go underground, not give us the information we need to protect the public."

Ain't that funny. The Canadian cowboys have been identified within days each case.
 
MRJ said:
What would be wrong with listening to, and basing action on recommendations of the best scientists in the International scientific community?

MRJ

Is that the same best scientist that didn't know what a Santa Gertrudis was- or how to spell it :wink: :???: Or do you raise Santa Gertrubis, Maxine.... :lol: :lol:
 
rkaiser said:
Sparks said confidentiality was necessary because it was the only way to get farmers to report diseases.

"What happens if we give this farmer away and the next farmer doesn't call us and we have to hunt for these cases?" Sparks said. "The last thing we need is for folks to go underground, not give us the information we need to protect the public."

Ain't that funny. The Canadian cowboys have been identified within days each case.
To be honest with you I don't think the confidentiality in this latest USA case is a bad thing! I still remember watching the older couple in the second case of Canadian BSE case at a press conference.They were heartbroken!
 
MRJ:What would be wrong with listening to, and basing action on recommendations of the best scientists in the International scientific community?

There would not be a thing wrong with what you propose here. Good idea.

Now if the USDA would do just that, we could move forward.
 
Mike said:
MRJ:What would be wrong with listening to, and basing action on recommendations of the best scientists in the International scientific community?

There would not be a thing wrong with what you propose here. Good idea.

Now if the USDA would do just that, we could move forward.

What is your basis for implying that they do not use the best of science re. BSE?

What, specifically, could or should they be doing differently, ACCORDING TO THE BEST SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION AND/OR GUIDLINES AVAILABLE TODAY? (btw, the caps are for emphasis because I haven't figured out how to type boldface)..

MRJ
 
MRJ said:
Mike said:
MRJ:What would be wrong with listening to, and basing action on recommendations of the best scientists in the International scientific community?

There would not be a thing wrong with what you propose here. Good idea.

Now if the USDA would do just that, we could move forward.

What is your basis for implying that they do not use the best of science re. BSE?

What, specifically, could or should they be doing differently, ACCORDING TO THE BEST SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION AND/OR GUIDLINES AVAILABLE TODAY? (btw, the caps are for emphasis because I haven't figured out how to type boldface)..

MRJ

There are several examples I could cite. But 1 for now, as I must leave for town, is when Ann Veneman put together the International Committee to make recommendations on food safety in the U.S.. This same bunch recommended removal of "ALL" SRM's in all cattle above 12 months of age.

ANN, for some unknown reason, decided against it. Think it might have been the packer influences?

OK, 1 more. Why did the NCBA (Dr. Weber) recommend against using the Western Blot test back some years ago? He stated they were not as accurate and that they were only trying to sell tests. Se what trouble that got us into? Think TEXAS cow.
 

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