Mandatory country-of-origin labeling

[ocm]

Elementary,

Quit diverting and provide the proof that imported lean trimmings adding value to our surplus 50/50 trim does not return any profit to the producer.

For once in your life, back your claim.

Watch this............


~SH~

When imported lean trim is not available, what happens to domestic cull cow prices?

 

[Bill]

Tam ,That type of Trace and Age won't sell beef in most countrys as the rules are changing for most countrys .traceability is out and traceback's in
Tam: We have Traceability to birth place on whole herd and a good start on the age vertification but you are still trying to figure out how to get COOL past the packers in the US so you don't have time to work on what your marketplace is actually demanding, Traceability.

Defination of traceability,partial traceback at selected points along the way from field to fork.

Traceback,point-to-point verification of movement.

taken from the Cow Calf weekly

Canada has regained a much higher portion than the U.S. of its lost markets, but the message has been lost on U.S. cattlemen. The issue of traceability -- source, age or process verification -- isn't about governments, trade, food safety or animal health. It's about responding to the marketplace.

Gee Staff I guess we responsed to the marketplace and it shows in the much higher portion of lost markets being regained. Says something for our system doesn't it Staff?

Tam, the only portion of your lost market you regained was us! Talk about a misleading statement.

Sandhusker, your comment is not only misleading but also wrong! What are you basing your "facts" on?

The US was an important market for us to regain but it was not the only one which was realized.

 

[Anonymous]

OCM: "When imported lean trim is not available, what happens to domestic cull cow prices?"

YOU TELL ME!!!

Rather than trying to create an "ILLUSION" that cull cow prices would be higher if we didn't import lean trimmings, you tell me how "CHEAP" imported lean trimmings, that add value to our 50/50 trim could be supplied domestically.

LET'S HEAR IT!

Tell me about the availability of domestic cull cows vs. the demand then tell me how that compares with the amount of 50/50 trim out there.

I'm tired of these Sandhusker approaches by throwing out a statement to create an "ILLUSION".

Hey I'll even give you a hint. We could supply this market domestically by grinding up the chuck and rounds that we have added value to. Do you like that suggestion in your haste to stop "EVIL IMPORTS"???

Let's see how much you really know about this issue.

Tell me, how would stopping imports of lean trimmings from Australia and New Zealand affect domestic cull cow prices.

You do realize that your position here directly contradicts Mike Callicrate's argument that there is no supply and demand that cattle prices are totally arbitrary don't you?

I can't wait to hear your explanation for this........

You got the floor OCM, show us what ya got!



~SH~

 

[Econ101]

OCM: "When imported lean trim is not available, what happens to domestic cull cow prices?"

YOU TELL ME!!!

Rather than trying to create an "ILLUSION" that cull cow prices would be higher if we didn't import lean trimmings, you tell me how "CHEAP" imported lean trimmings, that add value to our 50/50 trim could be supplied domestically.

LET'S HEAR IT!

Tell me about the availability of domestic cull cows vs. the demand then tell me how that compares with the amount of 50/50 trim out there.

I'm tired of these Sandhusker approaches by throwing out a statement to create an "ILLUSION".

Hey I'll even give you a hint. We could supply this market domestically by grinding up the chuck and rounds that we have added value to. Do you like that suggestion in your haste to stop "EVIL IMPORTS"???

Let's see how much you really know about this issue.

Tell me, how would stopping imports of lean trimmings from Australia and New Zealand affect domestic cull cow prices.

You do realize that your position here directly contradicts Mike Callicrate's argument that there is no supply and demand that cattle prices are totally arbitrary don't you?

I can't wait to hear your explanation for this........

You got the floor OCM, show us what ya got!



~SH~

DIVERSION!!!

SH, on this one you can not get Agman to agree with you, I am afraid. Do you want to lay some money on it?

 

[Anonymous]

I divert nothing Elementary!

I'm getting to the heart of the issue.

If you have something relevant to add to this discussion then add it. If not then step out of the way and quit creating the "ILLUSION" that you actually have a relevant point this time.


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

I divert nothing Elementary!

I'm getting to the heart of the issue.

If you have something relevant to add to this discussion then add it. If not then step out of the way and quit creating the "ILLUSION" that you actually have a relevant point this time.


~SH~

Then lets make a bet, let Agman answer the question and let you donate more money to producer organizations for being wrong.

 

[Anonymous]

Elemantary: "Then lets make a bet, let Agman answer the question and let you donate more money to producer organizations for being wrong."

Let's let OCM define his position and you can sell lemonade at the side Elementary. I think you can handle that task if you don't think some kid is trying to screw you when he offers you the wrong change. That would be par for your conspiring mind.



~SH~

 

[Anonymous]

Why do you want Agman to answer the question? Too chickensh*t to take a position yourself? You're such a complete phony Elementary!


~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Why do you want Agman to answer the question? Too chickensh*t to take a position yourself? You're such a complete phony Elementary!


~SH~

I have already answered the question, which was posed to Agman long before you brought your lemonaded stand in the picture, SH.

Why are you so scared of betting? Are you afraid that being wrong will cost you money? If rkaiser had a dime everytime you were wrong, he would have the funding for his packing plant already.

Put your money where your mouth is--Oh, I forgot, that is too costly for you.

 

[Anonymous]

Elementary: "If rkaiser had a dime everytime you were wrong, he would have the funding for his packing plant already."

I was wrong about calendar year 2004. That's one dime!

Prove me wrong on anything you believe you can you cheap talkin' chickensh*t!

That's all you have Elementary, cheap talk and zero knowledge of this industry.

You are such a complete phony!


~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

taken from the Cow Calf weekly
Gee Staff I guess we responsed to the marketplace and it shows in the much higher portion of lost markets being regained. Says something for our system doesn't it Staff?

Tam, the only portion of your lost market you regained was us! Talk about a misleading statement.

Sandhusker, your comment is not only misleading but also wrong! What are you basing your "facts" on?

The US was an important market for us to regain but it was not the only one which was realized.

Bill, 80% of your market goes to us - a single customer. Take away that one customer and what can the author say then?

 

[Econ101]

Elementary: "If rkaiser had a dime everytime you were wrong, he would have the funding for his packing plant already."

I was wrong about calendar year 2004. That's one dime!

Prove me wrong on anything you believe you can you cheap talkin' chickensh*t!

That's all you have Elementary, cheap talk and zero knowledge of this industry.

You are such a complete phony!


~SH~

Then let us lay some real money on it. How about $100.00?

Who has net benefits to imports of beef:

a) the consumer

b) the packer

c) the producer

Multiple choice, SH. Want to lay some money on it? You can choose any or all.

 

[Jason]

Econ, SH has already answered that question. It is price positive to all three. To determine the exact percentage to each would be nearly impossible as many factors contribute to profits and savings at all levels.

The real question you keep avoiding is would you rather packers grind the chuck and the round to avoid importing trim?

 

[Bill]

Tam, the only portion of your lost market you regained was us! Talk about a misleading statement.

Sandhusker, your comment is not only misleading but also wrong! What are you basing your "facts" on?

The US was an important market for us to regain but it was not the only one which was realized.

Bill, 80% of your market goes to us - a single customer. Take away that one customer and what can the author say then?

You are the one who seems to like to hold others (especially SH) accountable for what they write. Just retrurning the favour. :lol: :lol: You wrote that the US was the ONLY portion we regained which is totally false. Better correct your R-Calf propoganda machine.

 

[Econ101]

Econ, SH has already answered that question. It is price positive to all three. To determine the exact percentage to each would be nearly impossible as many factors contribute to profits and savings at all levels.

The real question you keep avoiding is would you rather packers grind the chuck and the round to avoid importing trim?

So, Jason, I ask a question to Agman he doesn't answer it. Then SH answers it, but not really wanting to put any money on it. Then you chime in with an answer for SH trying to get him out of another money squeeze.

Agman can answer his own question.

SH can back up his own answer with money if he thinks he is so right.

And Jason can pitch in to SH's bet paying if he wants.


Would you like part of the bet, Jason? I am not avoiding the "real question" as I asked the first time.

 

[Anonymous]

Elementary,

The answer to your question is all of the above benefit. Prove me wrong!

Elementary: "If rkaiser had a dime everytime you were wrong, he would have the funding for his packing plant already."

Back that statement.

Give me an example of where I was wrong other than on calendar year 2004. Bring it. Talk is cheap!

Watch the diversion folks....................



~SH~

 

[Econ101]

Elementary,

The answer to your question is all of the above benefit. Prove me wrong!

Elementary: "If rkaiser had a dime everytime you were wrong, he would have the funding for his packing plant already."

Back that statement.

Give me an example of where I was wrong other than on calendar year 2004. Bring it. Talk is cheap!

Watch the diversion folks....................



~SH~

SH, You are wrong on most of your economic reasoning. The only problem is that it would cost me more than a dime to refute you all of the time and you wouldn't admit to it anyway. I gave you one prime example and Jason had to come save you. All of the people on this forum who are not packer backers have refuted your basic understanding of how markets work and you still go on. You are like the energizer bunny that keeps going, only you are trying to drive this industry into the hands of the packers. You will be like a poultry farmer before too long. The only problem with that is that you are bringing a lot of people with you that don't deserve to go there.

 

[Sandhusker]

Elementary,

The answer to your question is all of the above benefit. Prove me wrong!

Elementary: "If rkaiser had a dime everytime you were wrong, he would have the funding for his packing plant already."

Back that statement.

Give me an example of where I was wrong other than on calendar year 2004. Bring it. Talk is cheap!

Watch the diversion folks....................



~SH~

The WTO - US fur deal
Callicrate purjuring
OIE SRM regs (remember Mike slapping you down?)
US customers being upset over treatment other countries get that they don't
When Japan would open to the US.
Buy-outs proof of competition

I could go on, but have to close up shop. If I sit and think for a while I know I can come up with more. Do you want me to alphabetize or sort by date of occurance (decending or ascending)?

 

[Anonymous]

Elementary Economics: "SH, You are wrong on most of your economic reasoning. The only problem is that it would cost me more than a dime to refute you all of the time and you wouldn't admit to it anyway. I gave you one prime example and Jason had to come save you. All of the people on this forum who are not packer backers have refuted your basic understanding of how markets work and you still go on. You are like the energizer bunny that keeps going, only you are trying to drive this industry into the hands of the packers. You will be like a poultry farmer before too long. The only problem with that is that you are bringing a lot of people with you that don't deserve to go there."

Just as I expected, nothing more than cheap talk. Typical of the factually void. Nobody has been corrected more on this forum than you have and you have never admitted it. You divert, you deny, you decieve, and you discredit. That's all the factually void can ever do. Your theories and opinions with nothing to support them other than a desire to be a victim have been shattered repeatedly and still you throw out the same stupidity day after day after day.

You can't even grasp the most basic concepts of marketing regarding this week's cash price being driven by different supply and demand factors than last weeks. You're too dense to even grasp that and you want to lecture me on economics???? give me a break! You're nothing but a phony and you prove it over and over.

The WTO - US fur deal

I was wrong about that.

Callicrate purjuring

Callicrate lied under oath which is perjury by definition, that is a fact.

OIE SRM regs (remember Mike slapping you down?)

Bring it!

US customers being upset over treatment other countries get that they don't

Make it up as you go!

When Japan would open to the US.

If that even happened, it was guess and was addressed as a guess! Hardly comparable to R-CULT's comments about how the border opening would affect the cattle markets. This reach is so typical of your pathetic desperation to peg something on me.

Buy-outs proof of competition

Make it up as you go!


You remembered one thing accurately. The WTO fur deal.

WHOOPDI DO!


I can understand your desperation to discredit considering how many times you have been handed your head. If you couldn't divert, deny, deceive, and discredit, you wouldn't exist. Yup, thanks for your honesty Agman if it happens to support your bias huh. You are such a parasite!


NEXT!


~SH~

 

[Murgen]

Bill, 80% of your market goes to us - a single customer. Take away that one customer and what can the author say then?

Wasn't it 90% b4 the border closed?

10% less to add value to, not signifigant, I guess!

I guess the $ difference to the industry would be the added value of the product they lost, minus the difference in value of the product they needed to import ( from Aust. & NZ) to replace it.