Market manipulation at the local salebarns

[HAY MAKER]

strom was bought,12 jurors that heard the case say so,supreme court was to busy hearing the Ana nicole case to be bothered by a bunch of cattlemen ?
If you dont know the facts like attorney fees,then quit acting like you do.
You think there should be less higher paid packers,and i think there should be more bidding cattle,there is no competition between packers now,truth be know they all belong to the same country club.
We can keep this as civil as you want,but i do have to ask a question you may take insultin,and that is why would someone go to school 16 years to learn how to trap prairie dogs ?
hell i could have taught you how to trap a helluva lot sooner than that,no matter how dumb you are.
good luck

 

[Anonymous]

Hayseed: "strom was bought,12 jurors that heard the case say so,"

Well, if the jurors know that the judge was bought off as you say, why wasn't Strom convicted of bribary and banned from the court room? Gosh with such overwhelming evidence against him, I would think the fat lady would already be singing.

Hayseed: "supreme court was to busy hearing the Ana nicole case to be bothered by a bunch of cattlemen ?"

Oh, I see. The Supreme court didn't have their priorities straight. Glad we cleared that up.

Hayseed: "If you dont know the facts like attorney fees,then quit acting like you do."

Sorry, some of the details of the case escaped me like the color clothes the jurors wore. Sorry for my lack of attention to those details.

Hayseed: "You think there should be less higher paid packers,and i think there should be more bidding cattle,"

No Hayseed, I think in a free market, the number of packers will be determined by a packer's efficiency in reducing per head processing costs, their market access for beef and beef by products, and what they can pay for fat cattle based on their expenses and the demand for their products.

More bidders, in and of itself, does not necessarily lead to higher cattle prices. Every auction has numerous bidders but the final two bids is really all that matters. Competition is created by deep pockets and more money to spend, not by having more bidders.

Who would you rather have bidding at your auction sale? A hundred bidders with $10 to spend per item or three bidders with $100 to spend per item? Competition is defined by buying power, not by the number of bidders.

Hayseed: "there is no competition between packers now,truth be know they all belong to the same country club."

If there is no competition in the packing industry, why do cattle prices move up and down? A controlled market would not move up and down.

Hayseed: "We can keep this as civil as you want,but i do have to ask a question you may take insultin,and that is why would someone go to school 16 years to learn how to trap prairie dogs ?"

Hahaha!

Sorry Hayseed, I can't answer that. I don't know why someone would go to school for 16 years to trap prairie dogs. As a matter of fact, I don't know anyone who still traps prairie dogs. Most of them poison them but not enough of them to my way of thinking.

I would prefer to see just two prairie dogs in a zoo, one male and one female with no way to reproduce. Perhaps a glass window between them.

Hayseed: "hell i could have taught you how to trap a helluva lot sooner than that,no matter how dumb you are."

Why thanks for your generosity. I'll keep that in mind.



~SH~

 

[mrj]

It is interesting that the cattle business in Canada, SD, ND, MT, and some other northern states (at the least) began as large corporate ranches with the management and labor hired.....back in the Open Range era. They went broke, possibly due to the fact that owners might have been more diligent in taking care of those cattle. The land was about as cheap as it could get....much of it virtually free. Bad weather often was the cause of failures.

Later, the 'settlers' started cattle herds, sometimes on 'free' land, sometimes on Indian land they married into or leased. After the reservations were set up (in SD, at least) some people leased parts of that land from the tribes or partnered with Indian families to raise cattle.

Later yet, the homestead act came in. Some agreement with clarence in that some got a chance they would not otherwise have had. Many were on a lark or intending to get wealthy selling their land soon, according to local elders in my area. It didn't always work out well! Some overcame unimagineable hardships to persevere and stay, but most had to get bigger in this arid, harsh climate in SD.

For Hayseeds' education: it is a fact that the originator of our ranch actually helped homesteader neighbors (he was an earlier 'settler') stay and provided food for some. He also bought some land, at a fair price, when they decided they would not stay. It s highly doubtful there was much, if any, land taken away from homesteaders. Willing sellers and willing buyers seem to be required, unless there is unbearable debt, and that was rare in those days in this area. He also encouraged prospctive homesteaders passing through to stay in this area to "help build a community" as he had ridden through much of western SD and neighboring states when buying and selling horses from Clarkson ID to St. Paul, MN and Ft.Robinson, NE before settling here in 1892, and believed this to be the best cattle country that was affordable at the time.

I also get along will with my neighbors, most of whose families survived the very same hard years as my ancestors in this area, with many ranches well over 100 to 125 years in the same families on the same land. We have grandchildren who have friends who are descendants of their great grandfathers friends in this area for five generations or more.

Remember, we cannot choose our relatives, nor do good people wish to control what they waste their money upon, so let up on that mantra about SH, if you want to sound a bit more rational.

I hope you get better control over your bitterness as that will make you feel better and maybe even automatically make you less obnoxious to others.

I'm off to doc appointments, then to a meeting for a few days and won't return till the end of the week.
mrj