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Tommy
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Soapweed...There is sure a lot of dollars being sifted out of all the local communities in the name of R-Calf goodness, but who is being held accountable that it will be spent prudently and wisely?
If someone is hold a gun to the head of people contributing I would have a problem with what you just stated, but you and I both know that is not the case. Do you want someone telling you who you can contribute to Soapweed? Just because you may disagree with them and you see them raising a lot of money for their cause, it seems to me that you are jealous that they are doing so well raising money.
If someone is hold a gun to the head of people contributing I would have a problem with what you just stated, but you and I both know that is not the case. Do you want someone telling you who you can contribute to Soapweed? Just because you may disagree with them and you see them raising a lot of money for their cause, it seems to me that you are jealous that they are doing so well raising money.
Soapweed
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I just hate to see hard-earned ranch country money go to further the cause of high-rolling lawyers. Jealousy has nothing to do with it. Keep in mind that I was once a member of R-Calf myself until I saw the folly of their ways.
don
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oldtimer: Soapweed- ironic about your dream, because there is a special edition R-CALF hat being made- the silk liner has the R-CALF logo--- being made by a custom hatter in Augusta Montana.... For every hat sold $50 goes to R-CALF......
those hats should make quite the collector's items in ten years when r-calf is just an unpleasant memory.
those hats should make quite the collector's items in ten years when r-calf is just an unpleasant memory.
Tommy
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Soapweed... Keep in mind that I was once a member of R-Calf myself until I saw the folly of their ways.
OK, then help me understand what the NCBA is doing to keep the border closed untill trade is resumed with Japan, Korea, and Mexico? The border will be open next Monday if there is no injunction.
Or is this just lip service from NCBA? You are a member now so you should know.
OK, then help me understand what the NCBA is doing to keep the border closed untill trade is resumed with Japan, Korea, and Mexico? The border will be open next Monday if there is no injunction.
Or is this just lip service from NCBA? You are a member now so you should know.
Soapweed
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Tommy, I guess the NCBA didn't have to worry on what to do about the border, because R-Calf seems to have handled the problem temporarily. Personally, my thoughts are the border just as well be opened and get on with business as usual. I'm sure if the shoe were on the other foot, and if I happened to be a Canadian rancher, I would want the border open. The United States and Canada have had a long standing friendship and have always been good neighbors until recently. It would be nice if we could "mend our fences" and resume that peaceful and mutually beneficial neighboring relationship.
BSE is such an emotional issue, and really lacking in substance. A person has a much better chance of dying in a car wreck on the way to his mailbox, than he would of dying by eating meat from a BSE cow. I'll bet an old BSE infected cow would have looked pretty good to the pioneers of the Donner Party, when they were stranded by deep snow in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Cow meat sure would have tasted better than eating their human neighbors.
I am predicting that while everyone is distracted from BSE, other cattle problems are sneaking in that will have way more consequences with the average rancher. BVD, Johnnes disease, and trichonomyocis (sp?) are some that come immediately to mind. What a fickle bunch the human race is, to make such ado about hardly anything.
Keep in mind, we are all going to die sometime. No matter how physically fit we are, how low the cholestrol count is, how many pills we take daily, or whatever, for each one of us our days are numbered. The only thing any of us can truly do to prepare, is to make our peace with the good Lord, accept him as our Saviour, and die without any worries, because it will all be Fine in Heaven.
Getting back to NCBA versus R-Calf, I just appreciate the more positive attitude of the NCBAers. They are progressive and trying to better their positions. The R-Calfers seem to always be longing for "the good old days" which, looking back, weren't really all that great. Now is a pretty good time to be alive and ranching.
Many R-Calfers howl and gripe about the Beef Check-off. They moan and groan if they have to cough up $500 to pay for this, which has been proven time and again to be money well spent. Yet they will dump in $500 without batting an eye to an R-Calf benefit auction, when some high-rolling lawyer will eventually get that money.
Well, Tommy, don't mind me. I just appreciate living in the good old USA and having the privilege of free speech. We are all so lucky that we can belong to any organization of our choice. Let's you and me just agree to disagree on a few issues. I truly think we have more in common than we have differences.
BSE is such an emotional issue, and really lacking in substance. A person has a much better chance of dying in a car wreck on the way to his mailbox, than he would of dying by eating meat from a BSE cow. I'll bet an old BSE infected cow would have looked pretty good to the pioneers of the Donner Party, when they were stranded by deep snow in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Cow meat sure would have tasted better than eating their human neighbors.
I am predicting that while everyone is distracted from BSE, other cattle problems are sneaking in that will have way more consequences with the average rancher. BVD, Johnnes disease, and trichonomyocis (sp?) are some that come immediately to mind. What a fickle bunch the human race is, to make such ado about hardly anything.
Keep in mind, we are all going to die sometime. No matter how physically fit we are, how low the cholestrol count is, how many pills we take daily, or whatever, for each one of us our days are numbered. The only thing any of us can truly do to prepare, is to make our peace with the good Lord, accept him as our Saviour, and die without any worries, because it will all be Fine in Heaven.
Getting back to NCBA versus R-Calf, I just appreciate the more positive attitude of the NCBAers. They are progressive and trying to better their positions. The R-Calfers seem to always be longing for "the good old days" which, looking back, weren't really all that great. Now is a pretty good time to be alive and ranching.
Many R-Calfers howl and gripe about the Beef Check-off. They moan and groan if they have to cough up $500 to pay for this, which has been proven time and again to be money well spent. Yet they will dump in $500 without batting an eye to an R-Calf benefit auction, when some high-rolling lawyer will eventually get that money.
Well, Tommy, don't mind me. I just appreciate living in the good old USA and having the privilege of free speech. We are all so lucky that we can belong to any organization of our choice. Let's you and me just agree to disagree on a few issues. I truly think we have more in common than we have differences.
Bull Burger
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Soapweed said:
Words of wisdom Soapweed. With all the fighting on this site, we have to remember your words.
blackjack
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...soapweed... this Canadian appreciates your wise words...thankyou
cowsense
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Soapweed; Another salute from north of the line. Thanks neighbor!
Big Muddy rancher
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A tip of the Stetson to you Soapweed. From our other posts about Wood Mountain you might have been just one covered wagon ride from being Canadian. Alot of poeple in this area came up from the Dakotas and Montana.. :cowboy:
Great points, Soapweed.
I fear you are absolutely correct in the assertion that there are many industry problems given short shrift due to all the focus on BSE.
Add to that the fact that the anti-beef scare tactics used by people in our own industry will probably come back to haunt us all.
One thing we do have to credit R-CALF for is getting the proverbial "blood" out of a lot of turnips! They have got peope working and donating, who probably are quite new to that concept. Using the same tactics as the activist organizations apparently is working for them at this point in time. Things may get interesting when it is time to pay the piper, so to speak.
MRJ
I fear you are absolutely correct in the assertion that there are many industry problems given short shrift due to all the focus on BSE.
Add to that the fact that the anti-beef scare tactics used by people in our own industry will probably come back to haunt us all.
One thing we do have to credit R-CALF for is getting the proverbial "blood" out of a lot of turnips! They have got peope working and donating, who probably are quite new to that concept. Using the same tactics as the activist organizations apparently is working for them at this point in time. Things may get interesting when it is time to pay the piper, so to speak.
MRJ
Soapweed
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It does not surprise me that R-Calf has gone to great lengths to keep the border closed. They have to do this. This "concept" is the justification for their very existense, and their whole reason for being. If the border opens, they are pert' near out of a job.
Big Muddy rancher
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Soapweed did you see Red Stegal on RFDTV. Had Don Edwards and Waddie. Waddie recited Pert near Perkins.
Soapweed
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I didn't see this on RFD TV, but did hear it awhile back on Red Steagall's Cowboy Corner. It is definitely a classic.
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Soapweed said:
Soap- Can you explain the difference between NCBA's latest public position and R-CALF's-- the only difference I could see in their postconvention stance was that NCBA took forever to take the position and then refused to go to court or back a court challenge... They questioned USDA's "sound science", now calling it "best science available"- Demanded not opening the border before we were guaranteed it wouldn't affect our export markets- demanded that the border not open until we had our export markets back- demanded that it not be called North American beef anymore--demanded that the USDA do further studies before opening the border-- Plus a whole lot more DEMANDS that almost mirrored what R-CALF has asked for, for some time---Even the two groups M-ID stance mirror each other-- Is all this DEMANDING just lip service to keep from losing members? Or are they really working on these issues and just letting R-CALF take the border issue heat? In my area many long time NCBA members have joined R-CALF because they feel they are the only organization that will proactively question the trade agreements and the USDA's lobbyiest funded positions and go to battle for the US cattlemans markets .......Many belong to both groups.....
As far as the checkoff goes, I've never seen R-CALF take a position against the checkoff-- most producers in my area are still for the Beef checkoff.......But more people are questioning it now because of the ineffectiveness they are seeing in NCBA which administrates it....Some feel it should be administered by R-CALF since they are a proactive group..... I personally have no problem with the checkoff altho I do believe it needs an updating in policy--NCBA is no longer the only kid on the block........
The main difference I have seen between the two groups is that R-CALF does not automatically back the governments ( which ever political party is in power) and AMI's position -- that they know whats best for us... They are not afraid to question those positons and fight for what they think is beneficial to the US cattleman.....
canadian angus
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As an Okie said today at the Calgary Bull Sale, them R-Calf boys are playing games and don't understand the cattle business.
Perhaps they will when lies are no more and we have our own, owned packing houses and have source verification.
Yes Nebrusker( and the only thing big about him is the capitol on his name) can rant and rave, but do on your neighbors as you would want done to thyself.
May thought of poor calf sales in the future be far away Canadians.
CA and still have some American friends. :???:
Perhaps they will when lies are no more and we have our own, owned packing houses and have source verification.
Yes Nebrusker( and the only thing big about him is the capitol on his name) can rant and rave, but do on your neighbors as you would want done to thyself.
May thought of poor calf sales in the future be far away Canadians.
CA and still have some American friends. :???:
Hanta Yo
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I am probably duplicating other points of view, and you guys will probably jump all over me, but do you R-Calf people get a profit/loss, or general ledger depicting where all the money you MAKE goes??? Montana Beef Council, Montana Stockgrowers Assn all have a fiscal report. I have seen all of them. I haven't seen R-Calf's budget or any type of fiscal report on their books. Would really like to see one...I'm sure they've been out, but I haven't been there to accept one...
Hanta Yo
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Or maybe there has been "another none"
Tommy
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Hanta Yo...but do you R-Calf people get a profit/loss, or general ledger depicting where all the money you MAKE goes???
Any member can get this information.
Soapweed I would guess also that we have more in common than not. That being said, you just about admitted that the NCBA is letting R-CALF take the heat on the border issue. If so do you support their tactics?
I went to a NCBA meeting Tuesday night in Joplin, Mo. Jay Truitt was the first speaker, he stated that one of the reasons we need to get the border open is that Canada is building processing plants and not up to our standards. Think about that for a minute. Are we afraid to compete with Canada in the world market? Or are the AMI members afraid they will lose a supply of cattle they would be getting?
R-CALF has never had a dog in the checkoff fight, some of their members have and I would bet that some of NCBA members have as well, in fact I know some who do not agree with they way the checkoff works. But it sounds good to blame it all on R-CALF these days.
Any member can get this information.
Soapweed I would guess also that we have more in common than not. That being said, you just about admitted that the NCBA is letting R-CALF take the heat on the border issue. If so do you support their tactics?
I went to a NCBA meeting Tuesday night in Joplin, Mo. Jay Truitt was the first speaker, he stated that one of the reasons we need to get the border open is that Canada is building processing plants and not up to our standards. Think about that for a minute. Are we afraid to compete with Canada in the world market? Or are the AMI members afraid they will lose a supply of cattle they would be getting?
R-CALF has never had a dog in the checkoff fight, some of their members have and I would bet that some of NCBA members have as well, in fact I know some who do not agree with they way the checkoff works. But it sounds good to blame it all on R-CALF these days.
rkaiser
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You may be right about the fear thing Tommy. Fear of competition - wait a minute - isn't that the resaon Rcalf hates the Canadian Cattleman\Cattlewoman?For a country with so much power, there sure seems to be a lot of fear down there.