Mytty Angus Sale report

[Mike]

OT wrote:

Yeah- sale was March 1st but I read somewhere he was sold "private treaty" to a consortium quite some time prior to the sale (which caused some hard feelings with some interested in the bull)... They must have thrown the price into the sale prices to raise the sale average....

sic 'em reds wrote:

I was at the sale on March first and Thuderstruck was not sold "private treaty" before the sale. I am a member of this "consortium" of breeders.

OT caught lyin' again. He ain't read that "Somewhere" no more than I did. :roll:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

OT wrote:

Yeah- sale was March 1st but I read somewhere he was sold "private treaty" to a consortium quite some time prior to the sale (which caused some hard feelings with some interested in the bull)... They must have thrown the price into the sale prices to raise the sale average....

sic 'em reds wrote:

I was at the sale on March first and Thuderstruck was not sold "private treaty" before the sale. I am a member of this "consortium" of breeders.

OT caught lyin' again. He ain't read that "Somewhere" no more than I did. :roll:

Well I brought up the question about when he was sold as with magazine deadlines I wondered how they could be thanking Thunderstruck Associates for buying him when the way it was posted I thought the sale had maybe been just the day before. :roll:
I would think that they maybe had this ad ready to go and popped in who bought him at the last minute. :?

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

I was at the sale on March first and Thuderstruck was not sold "private treaty" before the sale. I am a member of this "consortium" of breeders.

There are 12 of us that pooled our money together to buy the half semen interest in Thunderstruck. Each of us put in what we could afford and then we got a percentage of the half we bought based on how much money we put in. Lucky 7 Angus in Wyoming was the contending bidder. Jerry Gliko had money from Lucky 7 to $30,000. When it hit $30k Jerry got him on the phone and they ran us to $42,000. That's the real story.

The bulls sold like crazy at Mytty's sale. The IN Focus still have been the highest selling group for the past 3-4 years, are darn good, and they must be working for somebody. Several bulls sold into WY, ID, WA, &OR. There were several bulls that sold for $3,500 to $5,000 to commercial and registered cattlemen. I have been to the sale for the past three years and they were the stoutest set of bulls yet.

Kevin has worked at putting a good group of cattle together that will work in any program. If you don't like his program or the bulls he produces, that's fine, but make sure you have your story straight before you start blowing smoke on here.

Good for you!

I get sick of hearing people say that it is funny money, or nothing but promotion or trading money or whatever some call it. The fact is, that ussually when a bull sells for a pretty good chunk of money it is a real deal.

Thank you BRG

I get tired of all the funny money rumors too. I just get tired of the rumor mill crap that goes on here and with all these guys around our area wondering what we are doing getting involved with a deal like this. We finished up getting enough people together to buy the interest 15 minutes before the sale started. Sure, most of us are a bunch of no name breeders, but we saw an opportunity to gain ownership in a bull that will hopefully have a very bright future.

The fact of the matter is that Thunderstruck is the real deal kind of bull. Anybody can say that he is just another "bigger-better-faster". His iterim epds are +1.4 BW +44 WW, +88 YW +18 for Milk, scanned a 15.9 REA 4.69 IMF & had .33 Backfat, had a 4.55 ADG and weighed 1507 lbs at a year. He's full of muscle, got great structure and his feet were sound. Pictures are worth a thousand words, but until you see him in person, it's pretty hard to say he was not worth the money. He is sired by Connealy Thunder out of a 6595 dam who is a direct daughter of Sitz Everalda Entense 023. Yeah, he has some 598 in him, but who really knows if that will come back to haunt him for FCS.

Oh, and I bought the only other son of Upward in the sale, but he's just another bigger-better-faster bull too!!!!

I have a heck of a time with EPD's. Could you explain to me how a bull with a 90lb birth weight can have a BW epd of 1.4?

 

[Hay Feeder]

If I was Lucky7 and found out my top bid of $30,000 was let out before the sale so a group of bidders could get together to pool their money to out bid me I would be pretty mad at who I gave a confidental bid to. Folks that is bidding the bull before the sale. I am proud Lucky 7 got on the phone and ran em up. Bet he gives his bid to someone else next time. How much commission did the ringman get on that one... bet its more than the normal $250

 

[RMUG]

Thought it was pretty cool, ironic, neat that I had a bull in the fall of 2007 I had named RMUG Thunderstruck 712T. AAA 15856004 He too was an awesome bull that I sold to a fellow angus breeder. He had a 78 lb BW, 740 lb WW, and at a year weighed 1250. A hip height of 53 inches, a SC of 43 cm at a year and one of the most fertile bulls I have ever seen under a scope. He had a 14 in REA, and 3.47 IMF and .23 Rib Fat. Out of a very good cow I bought at Colyers program, just a really good mating.

I seem to remember that Select Sires bought a bull from TC Ranch with nearly the same sire, mgs...

I sold the bull and the other breeder and I have both had calves out of him and have a good supply of semen if anyone is interested in him.

 

[RMUG]

The fact of the matter is that Thunderstruck is the real deal kind of bull. Anybody can say that he is just another "bigger-better-faster". His iterim epds are +1.4 BW +44 WW, +88 YW +18 for Milk, scanned a 15.9 REA 4.69 IMF & had .33 Backfat, had a 4.55 ADG and weighed 1507 lbs at a year. He's full of muscle, got great structure and his feet were sound. Pictures are worth a thousand words, but until you see him in person, it's pretty hard to say he was not worth the money. He is sired by Connealy Thunder out of a 6595 dam who is a direct daughter of Sitz Everalda Entense 023. Yeah, he has some 598 in him, but who really knows if that will come back to haunt him for FCS.

Here is the Mytty Thunderstruck AAA# Mytty Thunder W355Reg: AAA +16408993

 

[sic 'em reds]

From Big Muddy:
I have a heck of a time with EPD's. Could you explain to me how a bull with a 90lb birth weight can have a BW epd of 1.4?

Not trying to be rude with my statement here, but he's an ET calf. Two full brothers sold in last years sale and 3 sold in this year's sale. That's why they are interim epd's for right now, since they have not been proven. By next year there will be proven epd's. He will be bred to, I would guess, at least 500 registered cows this spring, and quite a few commercial cows since two ranches in the group are commercial ranches. We have also had interest from people to buy semen to flush already. And really there are alot of bulls out there with proven calving ease BW epd's with a high actual BW.

Hay Feeder:
If I was Lucky7 and found out my top bid of $30,000 was let out before the sale so a group of bidders could get together to pool their money to out bid me I would be pretty mad at who I gave a confidental bid to. Folks that is bidding the bull before the sale. I am proud Lucky 7 got on the phone and ran em up. Bet he gives his bid to someone else next time. How much commission did the ringman get on that one... bet its more than the normal $250

Seriuosly??? I don't know how things work in your little circle, but we talk to the ringmen after the sale. We had an amount of money to spend and we were going to spend every dime if we had to. We didn't have any idea whose money it was. The guy bidding for the group sat right in front of Gliko and bid with him. At $30k, Gliko threw up the slow down signal and got on his phone to ask for more money. They ran us to $41K and we bid once more. And now you know the rest of the story.

 

[Hay Feeder]

Congratulations on your purchase. Your story is twicked a bit but that fine.
With 500 head to be bred better get going. We planned a sync program for April 28th breeding when we are going to put in CDIRs Saturady March 27th to achieve a Feb 1st calving.
Sounds like you got a steel on him to be used on commercial cows. Last time I checked proven bulls were still at $20.00 a straw. I get hyped upon bulls I purchase also and when I try to buy them.
My point was that I did put a bid with a owner from another sale for 7500
for one of two bulls.Twice more than I should of..but that was my OWN money. Both bulls sold for more than 15000. The operation did not try to pump me any he just took my bid. He gained my respect and protected his other bid inconfidental manner. I was real gald I did not get either bull now. He sure could of directed me to a bull that sold for less than my bid but he did not. My point is he protected his other bids he had.
We all need to remember that the ringmen, sale managers, auctioneers ,and owners all meet a few minute before each sale to compare notes. And that is just business the have to do.
On a bright note recieved a sale book form Canada saying calves have been selling for $750 each.. That is a great makert turn around.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

From Big Muddy:
I have a heck of a time with EPD's. Could you explain to me how a bull with a 90lb birth weight can have a BW epd of 1.4?

Not trying to be rude with my statement here, but he's an ET calf. Two full brothers sold in last years sale and 3 sold in this year's sale. That's why they are interim epd's for right now, since they have not been proven. By next year there will be proven epd's. He will be bred to, I would guess, at least 500 registered cows this spring, and quite a few commercial cows since two ranches in the group are commercial ranches. We have also had interest from people to buy semen to flush already. And really there are alot of bulls out there with proven calving ease BW epd's with a high actual BW.

Hay Feeder:
If I was Lucky7 and found out my top bid of $30,000 was let out before the sale so a group of bidders could get together to pool their money to out bid me I would be pretty mad at who I gave a confidental bid to. Folks that is bidding the bull before the sale. I am proud Lucky 7 got on the phone and ran em up. Bet he gives his bid to someone else next time. How much commission did the ringman get on that one... bet its more than the normal $250

Seriuosly??? I don't know how things work in your little circle, but we talk to the ringmen after the sale. We had an amount of money to spend and we were going to spend every dime if we had to. We didn't have any idea whose money it was. The guy bidding for the group sat right in front of Gliko and bid with him. At $30k, Gliko threw up the slow down signal and got on his phone to ask for more money. They ran us to $41K and we bid once more. And now you know the rest of the story.

So does a bull take birth weight from a ET cow? What else would he take?

 

[PureCountry]

On a bright note recieved a sale book form Canada saying calves have been selling for $750 each.. That is a great makert turn around.

Not sure what the calves weighed, but most classes are not selling really well. Average at best IMO. Grass calves have softened because most areas are without snow and looking drier than last spring. No one wants to buy 6-wt calves for $700+, then have to feed them for 2 months before any thing resembling pasture starts to show.

 

[sic 'em reds]

BMR, the way I have heard it explained is that yes, a recip cow will have some to do with the birth weight due to her genetic makeup. But I think it has more to do with the stage of the embryo at the time of the implant.

Several times you will get a higher BW on embryo calves, but the Upward bull I bought is an embryo calf and had an 83 lb bw. There are alot of factors that would determine the bw, and in that fact, the weaning weight of the calf.

Hayfeeder, you really are a dink aren't you? Don't you think that, between 13 different owners(I better spell this out so you don't blow your little pea brain trying to wrap your mind around this, Mytty + 12 other associates = 13 different owners) and several other people that have the opportunity to buy semen, 500 registered cows and several hundred commercial cows could be AI'd this spring? It doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to achieve this amount. Maybe you should pay attention to the details, the Thunderstruck Associates bought a 1/2 semen interest in the bull, not the bull himself.

I am not going to sit behind the protection of the internet and have a pissing match on how much money we spend on bulls, we use plenty of our own money and partner on some also. It's called a business decision, it's just like when you buy the bull you like or order the semen to breed your fantastic set of cows. I felt this bull would be a good bull to use in my herd, but would also be a bull that may do well in semen sales to others, which would also generate a return on investment. Go have another pull off your bottle and go to bed.

 

[Denny]

With the price of semen and breeders certificates I'm sure this is a money maker in the long run and 500 units of semen is'nt all that much.Thats less than 40 cows for each owner. I hope you guy's turn a nice profit.