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Health concerns power drive for grass-fed beef

Grass-fed beef is leaner and better for you, experts say. Some regional ranchers are eager to expand the market

By SCOTT CANON

The Kansas City Star

Mar. 17, 2006



You are what your cattle eat. Maybe.



A leading environmental group said last week that, as far as your health is concerned, not all beef is created equal.

Cattle raised entirely in pasture on grasses make for healthier steaks than the beef found in most groceries, the Union of Concerned Scientists concluded in a report based on a review of studies.



Such grass-fed cattle produced meat lower in total fat and higher in potentially healthy fatty acids than conventionally raised animals, which typically spend the final months of their lives in feedlots feasting on grain to fatten for slaughter, the group's report stated.



The organization, a decades-old alliance of scientists, advocates raising cattle in pastures as a way to avoid the environmental damage that comes from concentrating tens of thousands of large animals in feedlots. Its recent report aimed to alert consumers to what it sees as health bonuses from paying extra for beef made in an earth-friendly way.



"What's good for cattle and for the environment is also good for us," said Kate Clancy, a senior scientist for the organization's food and environment program and author of the study. "There's a better way. That's putting cows back on pasture and allowing them to feed themselves."



But grass-fed cattle make up the tiniest fraction of America's beef industry. So the beef industry greeted the report skeptically.



A dietitian for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association conceded the Union of Concerned Scientists' basic claims. Grass-fed beef is leaner and packs a sturdier dose of heart-healthy omega-3 fatty acids. But, said Mary Young, the cattlemen group's nutrition chief, it might not matter a great deal.



The government classifies 29 cuts of beef as lean, and she said 15 of the 20 most popular cuts fall into that category. What's more, she said, the level of healthy fatty acids in any beef is too low to complete a healthy diet.



"Bottom line, beef is not a source of omega-3 fatty acid," Young said. "To get that, eat fish."




Independent dietitians see merits in both arguments.



Leaner beef cut from grass-fed cattle offers less fat and less calories, meaning a source of protein with less risk for obesity and dangers of increased heart disease and cancer.



"All of our meats have gotten leaner over the last couple of decades," and the leaner the better, said Peter Beyer, a professor of dietetics and nutrition at the KU Medical Center.



The burgeoning grass-fed beef industry has seized on the report as further evidence for health claims it has been making for years. Now it hopes more people will think about biting into a different kind of steak.



"Our problem is education," said John Wood, the president of U.S. Wellness Meats. His firm ships about 4,000 pounds of frozen beef a year and is eager to expand the market.



The wonder of modern agriculture has been to produce more cattle more cheaply. And modern methods churn out muscle better marbleized and more tender because the animals get fattened on a diet of grain.



In recent years, a minority of ranchers have started to capitalize on a niche market of consumers looking for healthier meat, for a different taste and who calculate animal welfare and the environment into their grocery shopping. They report a new demand is growing.



Broadcaster Bill Kurtis bought a ranch near Sedan in southeast Kansas about five years ago and began raising cattle purely on pasture.



"There were more downs than ups," he said of his cattle business.



About a year and a half ago he started the Tallgrass Beef Co. and now supplies a handful of restaurants and boutique groceries around Chicago.



"We plan to harvest 1,000 head this year," Kurtis said. "We can get more if demand goes up."



Clancy of the Union of Concerned Scientists argued that more consumers should demand grass-fed beef and dairy products. Her study compared the amounts of total fat, saturated fat, omega-3 fatty acids and conjugated linoleic acid, or CLA.



She found overall fat levels in conventional beef at almost twice that of grass-fed meat.



CLA also may reduce the risk of heart disease.



Clancy's report also touted grass-fed beef as an alternative to methods of large-scale agriculture seen as dangerous to public health. Runoff of waste from crammed feedlots can contribute to water contamination. The crowding of animals also can contribute to disease, and the routine use of hormones and antibiotics. Many scientists worry that using antibiotics so freely with livestock leads to the drug-resistant bacteria that doctors have difficulty treating in humans.



For most people, the choice will come down to a few key issues. Grass-fed beef is more expensive because it requires more land and more time.



Taste matters as well. With less fat, grass-fed tends to be less tender and has what boosters like to call "the original taste of beef." Some people take to it instantly. Some find it an acquired taste.



In Mission, at the Wild Oats Marketplace meat counter, customers have a choice of organic beef raised either on grain or grass alone.



"You can hardly tell the difference," said Stu Santner, the store's meat manager. "I like the grain-fed a little bit better for taste. The grass-fed is leaner and I would say people choose it mostly for health reasons."



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Health benefits



Benefits of beef and dairy products made from grass-fed cattle:



■ Lower total fat.



■ Higher levels of healthy omega-3 fatty acids.



Milk has slightly higher levels of heart-healthy acids.



But all beef can contain unhealthy levels of overall fat and can produce suspected cancer-causing chemicals when cooked at high temperatures.



And all beef is a poor source of omega-3 fatty acids.



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Production methods



Conventional cattle-raising methods make it possible to slaughter more than 30 million head a year in the United States, including about 9 million in Kansas.



Concentration in feedlots can create air and water pollution and lead to overuse of antibiotics.



Cattle raised only on grass require different breeds than conventional operations, more time and more land.



Internet resources



www.tallgrassbeef.com/ Tallgrass Beef Co.

www.uscusa.org Union of Concerned Scientists

www.uswellnessmeats.com/ U.S. Wellness Meats

www.puremeats.com/ Pure Meats

www.beefusa.org/ National Cattlemen's Beef Association

www.meatami.com/ American Meat Institute



ledger-enquirer.com



 
Why am I not surprised? I think NCBA, CBB, maybe even R-CALF and the conventional beef industry would be happy to see organic and grassfed beef go away. And then the consumers that eat our beef will.....EAT FISH!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

And the information about animal fats being unhealthy is wrong. Look at the makeup of the American diet and look at the food products that have increased along with the increase in health problems.
 
RobertMac said:
Why am I not surprised? I think NCBA, CBB, maybe even R-CALF and the conventional beef industry would be happy to see organic and grassfed beef go away. And then the consumers that eat our beef will.....EAT FISH!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

And the information about animal fats being unhealthy is wrong. Look at the makeup of the American diet and look at the food products that have increased along with the increase in health problems.

Robertmac, you coulc not be more wrong about NCBA and the CBB. The problem is, that we have to do the research to VERIFY our beliefs about the good nutrition in beef. R-CALF hasn't been quoted on nutrients of beef, so far as I've seen.

One reason I believe Mary Young was taken out of context, or responding to a question probably designed to catch her in such a statement is that she was involved in the reports of preliminary information from research to show the values of the fatty acid profiles of beef during the convention. It looks very exciting for beef. There is Omega 3 in beef, and she knows that, but there are some complicating factors involving feed, age of cattle, and more. The requirements on CBB and the Checkoff to have the proof are tiresome sometimes, but ultimately serve us well. We can't simply make claims because we BELIEVE the best about beef, you know.

We understand that there are those who will do or say anything in their silly attempts to trash NCBA, CBB, and the Beef Checkoff. We have maintained an honorable level of patience, so far.....but there must come a time when lies are no longer tolerated, IMO.

MRJ


MRJ
 
"Bottom line, beef is not a source of omega-3 fatty acid," Young said. "To get that, eat fish."

How could this statement be taken out of context?

MRJ, have you been drinking gin again? I asked you last time to get yourself a good bottle of wine...........That gin will make your liver quiver and your brain lame.
 
Where was there a lie in any of the article or the posts, MRJ? Where was there a lie about your beloved NCBA?
 
MRJ said:
Robertmac, you could not be more wrong about NCBA and the CBB. The problem is, that we have to do the research to VERIFY our beliefs about the good nutrition in beef. R-CALF hasn't been quoted on nutrients of beef, so far as I've seen.

One reason I believe Mary Young was taken out of context, or responding to a question probably designed to catch her in such a statement is that she was involved in the reports of preliminary information from research to show the values of the fatty acid profiles of beef during the convention. It looks very exciting for beef. There is Omega 3 in beef, and she knows that, but there are some complicating factors involving feed, age of cattle, and more. The requirements on CBB and the Checkoff to have the proof are tiresome sometimes, but ultimately serve us well. We can't simply make claims because we BELIEVE the best about beef, you know.

We understand that there are those who will do or say anything in their silly attempts to trash NCBA, CBB, and the Beef Checkoff. We have maintained an honorable level of patience, so far.....but there must come a time when lies are no longer tolerated, IMO.

MRJ

Why is CBB and NCBA just now doing "research to VERIFY our beliefs about the good nutrition in beef"? They should have started in the 1970s when red meat began being attacked by anti-meat extremist! Research on the fatty acid complex (omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, CLA) has been out since the mid-1980s. Why does CBB have to only use their own commissioned research? Why can't they use peer reviewed research from other scientist?

Here is a corrected quote for Ms. Young...

"Bottom line, grainfed beef is not a source of omega-3 fatty acid," Young said. "To get that, eat 100% grassfed beef."


RobertMac said:
Look at the makeup of the American diet and look at the food products that have increased along with the increase in health problems.

This information presented correctly to the consumer is the most compelling argument to help beef sales.

Remember that sound science once said that the earth was flat...the hardest to convince otherwise were the "scientist" that held those beliefs. After thirty years of misinformation about beef, the hardest to convince otherwise are the "scientist" that hold those beliefs.
 
Where was there a lie in any of the article or the posts, MRJ? Where was there a lie about your beloved NCBA?
 
Econ101 said:
Where was there a lie in any of the article or the posts, MRJ? Where was there a lie about your beloved NCBA?

She must be gathering her NCBA talking points, but here is a lie....

"Bottom line, beef is not a source of omega-3 fatty acid," Young said. "To get that, eat fish."
 
RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
Where was there a lie in any of the article or the posts, MRJ? Where was there a lie about your beloved NCBA?

She must be gathering her NCBA talking points, but here is a lie....

"Bottom line, beef is not a source of omega-3 fatty acid," Young said. "To get that, eat fish."


My whole point on this was that there seems to be some research that shows grass fed beef to be higher in some fatty acids than those fed in other ways.

Why is the NCBA dietician trying to steer (little pun there) beef eaters into fish instead of grass fed beef? Does the NCBA just promote the packer's hold on this industry (they don't really have a hold on grass fed beef processing) by promoting fish?

I went to Sam's and bought a jar of 300 softgel omega 3 fish oil capsules. I think it was 12 or 13 dollars for the jar. There are many, many, times I would like to eat a steak over fish. Now, I don't have ANTYTHING against eating fish, sometimes I like to eat fish. My problem is why is the NCBA dietician not supporting beef producers who produce beef a certain way? I thought the NCBA represented all beef producers, or maybe it is just the ones who play the packer game. If that is the case, the NCBA is just a front organization for the packers.

If a cattleman can get more money from the consumer for fattening his cattle on grass, why should ANYONE stand in their way? Isn't it better than eating soy?

Soapweed, was this on your "feel good" NCBA voting on issues form? Maybe these kind of select decisions are made for you without your input.
 
Econ101 said:
My whole point on this was that there seems to be some research that shows grass fed beef to be higher in some fatty acids than those fed in other ways.

Why is the NCBA dietician trying to steer (little pun there) beef eaters into fish instead of grass fed beef? Does the NCBA just promote the packer's hold on this industry (they don't really have a hold on grass fed beef processing) by promoting fish?

I went to Sam's and bought a jar of 300 softgel omega 3 fish oil capsules. I think it was 12 or 13 dollars for the jar. There are many, many, times I would like to eat a steak over fish. Now, I don't have ANTYTHING against eating fish, sometimes I like to eat fish. My problem is why is the NCBA dietician not supporting beef producers who produce beef a certain way? I thought the NCBA represented all beef producers, or maybe it is just the ones who play the packer game. If that is the case, the NCBA is just a front organization for the packers.

If a cattleman can get more money from the consumer for fattening his cattle on grass, why should ANYONE stand in their way? Isn't it better than eating soy?

Soapweed, was this on your "feel good" NCBA voting on issues form? Maybe these kind of select decisions are made for you without your input.

The omega-6/omega-3 issue is a Pandora's box that goes beyond NCBA or the beef industry. Take note of the trans fat issues.
 
RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
My whole point on this was that there seems to be some research that shows grass fed beef to be higher in some fatty acids than those fed in other ways.

Why is the NCBA dietician trying to steer (little pun there) beef eaters into fish instead of grass fed beef? Does the NCBA just promote the packer's hold on this industry (they don't really have a hold on grass fed beef processing) by promoting fish?

I went to Sam's and bought a jar of 300 softgel omega 3 fish oil capsules. I think it was 12 or 13 dollars for the jar. There are many, many, times I would like to eat a steak over fish. Now, I don't have ANTYTHING against eating fish, sometimes I like to eat fish. My problem is why is the NCBA dietician not supporting beef producers who produce beef a certain way? I thought the NCBA represented all beef producers, or maybe it is just the ones who play the packer game. If that is the case, the NCBA is just a front organization for the packers.

If a cattleman can get more money from the consumer for fattening his cattle on grass, why should ANYONE stand in their way? Isn't it better than eating soy?

Soapweed, was this on your "feel good" NCBA voting on issues form? Maybe these kind of select decisions are made for you without your input.

The omega-6/omega-3 issue is a Pandora's box that goes beyond NCBA or the beef industry. Take note of the trans fat issues.

Robert Mac, I have no problem with your assertions on animal fat. It is obvious that something is making America fatter, and maybe you are totally right on the kinds of fats in processed foods. I still have a problem with the NCBA dietician recomending fish over beef when there is research that shows grass fed beef is higher in some kinds of fat than other kinds of beef. Why would the NCBA want to ruin a producer's marketing niche? Is it because they are trying to save the consumer from themselves as SH would say?
 
Econ101 said:
RobertMac said:
Econ101 said:
My whole point on this was that there seems to be some research that shows grass fed beef to be higher in some fatty acids than those fed in other ways.

Why is the NCBA dietician trying to steer (little pun there) beef eaters into fish instead of grass fed beef? Does the NCBA just promote the packer's hold on this industry (they don't really have a hold on grass fed beef processing) by promoting fish?

I went to Sam's and bought a jar of 300 softgel omega 3 fish oil capsules. I think it was 12 or 13 dollars for the jar. There are many, many, times I would like to eat a steak over fish. Now, I don't have ANTYTHING against eating fish, sometimes I like to eat fish. My problem is why is the NCBA dietician not supporting beef producers who produce beef a certain way? I thought the NCBA represented all beef producers, or maybe it is just the ones who play the packer game. If that is the case, the NCBA is just a front organization for the packers.

If a cattleman can get more money from the consumer for fattening his cattle on grass, why should ANYONE stand in their way? Isn't it better than eating soy?

Soapweed, was this on your "feel good" NCBA voting on issues form? Maybe these kind of select decisions are made for you without your input.

The omega-6/omega-3 issue is a Pandora's box that goes beyond NCBA or the beef industry. Take note of the trans fat issues.

Robert Mac, I have no problem with your assertions on animal fat. It is obvious that something is making America fatter, and maybe you are totally right on the kinds of fats in processed foods. I still have a problem with the NCBA dietician recomending fish over beef when there is research that shows grass fed beef is higher in some kinds of fat than other kinds of beef. Why would the NCBA want to ruin a producer's marketing niche? Is it because they are trying to save the consumer from themselves as SH would say?

What do we feed cattle to make them fat?

Here is the basics for the Om-6/Om-3 deal(as I understand it)...

These are both essential fatty acids. An essential fatty acid is a compound our bodies needs, but can't manufacture on its own...we have to get them through our diet. In nature, the Om-6/Om-3 ratio is roughly 1 to 1...same as grassfed beef, meat from wild animals, and green plants. This is important because this is the ratio that we genetically adapted under. The ratio in grainfed beef is roughly 4 to 1. The ratio in the average American diet roughly is 20 to 1. One of the places these fatty acids are used is in the cell walls. Some research has shown that when Om-6 is substituted for Om-3(because there isn't enough in the diet), the cell wall has less integrity...more vulnerable to attack. Think cancer.

Econ, I share your problem with NCBA and CBB. They want to lay claim to being the sole voice of cattlemen and promotion of the beef industry. Yet, while they were the sole voice, the beef industry lost 20% market share. It's time they are held accountable by cattlemen. Being against grassfed/organic beef or Creekstone's BSE testing is against expanding market share.
 
RobertMac said:
Econ, I share your problem with NCBA and CBB. They want to lay claim to being the sole voice of cattlemen and promotion of the beef industry. Yet, while they were the sole voice, the beef industry lost 20% market share. It's time they are held accountable by cattlemen. Being against grassfed/organic beef or Creekstone's BSE testing is against expanding market share.

Perhaps maybe you guys should have the NCBA convince the USDA to allow Fido remains into fish burgers? That could only help beef demand.

Rod
 
DiamondSCattleCo said:
RobertMac said:
Econ, I share your problem with NCBA and CBB. They want to lay claim to being the sole voice of cattlemen and promotion of the beef industry. Yet, while they were the sole voice, the beef industry lost 20% market share. It's time they are held accountable by cattlemen. Being against grassfed/organic beef or Creekstone's BSE testing is against expanding market share.

Perhaps maybe you guys should have the NCBA convince the USDA to allow Fido remains into fish burgers? That could only help beef demand.

Rod

Great idea, Rod! Chicken patties, too! :lol:
 
What a bunch of hypocrites!

R-CULT can take out BSE fear mongering adds in the Washington Post and claim Canadian beef is "contaminated" and "high risk" due to Canada having BSE in their native herd WHEN WE HAD 3 CASES OF BSE in the United States and you guys are bitching about a statement that was more than likely taken out of context??

WHICH HAD THE POTENTIAL TO BE MORE DAMAGING TO BEEF HAD IT BEEN PICKED UP BY THE MEDIA?????

What a bunch of damn hypocrites!

Good grief is right Sandbag!

Police your own!


~SH~
 
Econ, Do you never tire of only posting stories without checking the facts? Of course you don't! Not when you can use partial quotes to criticize NCBA!

Mary K. Young told me that "most reporters print our statements with the full context, but occasionally there are those that pick out the one place that may be the most controversial, as wat this Kansas City Star piece."

What Mary K. Young said in the interview quoted from above is" Three ounces of salmon has 35 TIMES MORE omega 3's than does three ounces of beef". And, "as a dietitian, I tell people to eag fish for omega3's and EAT BEEF for other nutrients".

Salmon contains between 0.68 and 1.83 GRAMS of omega-3 fatty acids in a 3 ounce serving.

A 3.5 ounce serving of grass-finished beef contains less than ONE TENTH of a gram of omega 3's and grain fed beef contains about TWO THIRDS the amount that grain fed beef has.

The basic messages she delivers in such interviews is: "yes, grass fed beef is leaner and has more omega 3 fatty acids". The proper context which people need to understand is: "if consumers want lower fat beef, they can enjoy BOTH grass fed and grain fed beef, as there are 29 cuts of conventionally raised beef that meet government guidelines for lean beef."

"It really is about CONSUMER CHOICE--as an industry there are so many different production methods available to producers to provide the variety of products the population DEMANDS."

"While grass fed beef does have more omega 3's, beef isn't considered (by experts) to be a GOOD SOURCE of omega 3's, whether conventional, or grass fed."

"We eat beef to get an EXCELLENT SOURCE of high quality protein, zinc, iron, selenium and b vitamins. We eat salmon to get omega 3 fatty acids."

"The botton line is, that BOTH grass fed, and grain fed beef are lean and GOOD FOR YOU, too."

More FACTS on this subject later!



I've been called on to go feed a new born calf. Wish me luck. The one squeeqed nutrients down the throat of, drop by drop yesterday didn't make it. Hung up at the hips, and too long before help found the situation, probably.

MRJ
 
MRJ, please tell me what this means:

"A 3.5 ounce serving of grass-finished beef contains less than ONE TENTH of a gram of omega 3's and grain fed beef contains about TWO THIRDS the amount that grain fed beef has."

Maybe you just misstyped it.
 
MRJ, the bottom line is she could have promoted grassfed beef as a source of omega-3...she didn't! :mad:

For a little balance from someone that promotes grassfed products, eatwild.com

Extra Omega-3s. Meat from grass-fed animals has two to four times more omega-3 fatty acids than meat from grain- fed animals. Omega-3s are called "good fats" because they play a vital role in every cell and system in your body. For example, of all the fats, they are the most heart-friendly. People who have ample amounts of omega-3s in their diet are less likely to have high blood pressure or an irregular heartbeat. Remarkably, they are 50 percent less likely to suffer a heart attack.[3] Omega-3s are essential for your brain as well. People with a diet rich in omega-3s are less likely to suffer from depression, schizophrenia, attention deficit disorder (hyperactivity), or Alzheimer's disease.[4]

Another benefit of omega-3s is that they may reduce your risk of cancer. In animal studies, these essential fats have slowed the growth of a wide array of cancers and also kept them from spreading.[5] Although the human research is in its infancy, researchers have shown that omega-3s can slow or even reverse the extreme weight loss that accompanies advanced cancer and also hasten recovery from surgery.[6,7]

Omega-3s are most abundant in seafood and certain nuts and seeds such as flaxseeds and walnuts, but they are also found in animals raised on pasture. The reason is simple. Omega-3s are formed in the chloroplasts of green leaves and algae. Sixty percent of the fatty acids in grass are omega-3s. When cattle are taken off omega-3 rich grass and shipped to a feedlot to be fattened on omega-3 poor grain, they begin losing their store of this beneficial fat. Each day that an animal spends in the feedlot, its supply of omega-3s is diminished.[8]


3. Siscovick, D. S., T. E. Raghunathan, et al. (1995). "Dietary Intake and Cell Membrane Levels of Long-Chain n-3 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids and the Risk of Primary Cardiac Arrest." JAMA 274(17): 1363-1367.

4. Simopolous, A. P. and Jo Robinson (1999). The Omega Diet. New York, HarperCollins. My previous book, a collaboration with Dr. Artemis P. Simopoulos, devotes an entire chapter to the vital role that omega-3s play in brain function.

5. Rose, D. P., J. M. Connolly, et al. (1995). "Influence of Diets Containing Eicosapentaenoic or Docasahexaenoic Acid on Growth and Metastasis of Breast Cancer Cells in Nude Mice." Journal of the National Cancer Institute 87(8): 587-92.

6. Tisdale, M. J. (1999). "Wasting in cancer." J Nutr 129(1S Suppl): 243S-246S.

7. Tashiro, T., H. Yamamori, et al. (1998). "n-3 versus n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids in critical illness." Nutrition 14(6): 551-3.


What's this...others have done research :o ...why does NCBA only rely on their research? :? :???:
 
Econ101 said:
MRJ, please tell me what this means:

"A 3.5 ounce serving of grass-finished beef contains less than ONE TENTH of a gram of omega 3's and grain fed beef contains about TWO THIRDS the amount that grain fed beef has."

Maybe you just misstyped it.

Yes, I did mis-type. it should be "grain fed beef contains about two thirds the amount of omega 3's that GRASS fed beef has".

That doesn't square with what RobertMac posted. I will check that out, but definitely not today!

The facts definitely do support the Ms. Youngs' contention that neither grass, nor grain fed beef is as good a source of omega 3's as is salmon. She also is very emphatic about stressing the superiority of beef in other nutrients where it outshines most other proteins.

Remember, the lady is a trained dietitician, and as such, would not be telling people to choose other than the BEST source of such an important fatty acid.

For RM, she definitely IS supportive of grass fed beef.......just not into saying things about it that are not true!

BTW, some of that grass fed beef "information" I've been reading from the links has too much bias that is not necessarily factual.

Certainly some do, at the least, imply that 'other' beef is fed grain their entire lives. Fact, an awful lot of the commercial beef is fed grain about one fourth, to possibly one third of their life. Grain is not the only feed, either. I will check with someone on common ratios' of hay/grass/forages to grain before I comment further.

MRJ
 

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