New Bull

[sic 'em reds]

Got my new bull turned out last week. Was getting grouchy, so he got let out a couple days early.

Hopefully he will work on my heifers, but is also with a few of my registered cows and first calvers. Everything was AI'd two weeks ago, so hopefully he won't have to much work.

 

[leanin' H]

I'd look at the bull but I keep getting sidetracked at the GRASS! :shock: Really nice bull too!

 

[Triangle Bar]

I like the looks of him. My grass is starting to green up but doesn't look like that, yet. 8)

 

[Faster horses]

That's a real fancy looking bull! He has been to the barber!
What is he bloodline wise? Who bred him?

Looks like a heifer bull to me. I bet they'll calve easy bred to him.

I like the little brand, too. Is that yours?

thanks for the pictures.

 

[Justin]

nice lookin' bull.....how is he bred?

 

[Soapweed]

I like your bull. He's long; he's thick; he's well-balanced; and he's a handsome dude. Nice purchase.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Nice bull. That calf sure has a face full of milk.

 

[Faster horses]

Hey, BMR. I keep getting my emails to you, returned.
Please PM me your up-to-date email address. Okay???

You are missing out on some good stuff!!! :wink:

 

[Big Swede]

I kept noticing the grass and trees too. You must live in a pretty mild climate seeing how much green you have out there. Nice looking bull by the way.

 

[Grassfarmer]

In the spirit of being able to air one's opinion without meaning to cause any offense I don't like the bull that much. It may just be the pictures but I hate to see bulls that lack chest capacity. It would seem (again only from the pictures) that his underline rises up behind his front legs almost in a concave manner which usually indicates reduced chest and heart capacity. The second picture also makes him look quite post legged - either that or he was standing on his tippy toes to make himself look bigger IMHO

 

[Soapweed]

In the spirit of being able to air one's opinion without meaning to cause any offense I don't like the bull that much. It may just be the pictures but I hate to see bulls that lack chest capacity. It would seem (again only from the pictures) that his underline rises up behind his front legs almost in a concave manner which usually indicates reduced chest and heart capacity. The second picture also makes him look quite post legged - either that or he was standing on his tippy toes to make himself look bigger IMHO

At least he's black.

 

[Shortgrass]

He sure has a nice brand.

 

[PureCountry]

Just saw the post, and have to agree with GF. I think he'll make a heifer bull, but he's no powerful herd sire. JMO.

 

[Soapweed]

Just saw the post, and have to agree with GF. I think he'll make a heifer bull, but he's no powerful herd sire. JMO.

When I said he was "thick," I meant that he was wide. He has a pretty good hind end for an Angus. The bull looks to be of moderate size, and I think he would produce moderate type daughters that would make good cows. Personally, I like this bull better than the great big type cattle that have a lot of depth and capacity. I don't need any 1600-1800 pound cows for my operation. This is just my humble opinion for whatever it is worth. I happen to like your bull, sic 'em reds.

 

[Grassfarmer]

Just saw the post, and have to agree with GF. I think he'll make a heifer bull, but he's no powerful herd sire. JMO.

Not directing further criticism towards this bull at all but I think folks are too quick to categorize animals that would make "good heifer bulls" Remember the lesson of the buffalo - you don't see too many of their bulls without big humps and front ends and they seem to calf OK.
I think a lot of suspect bulls get marketed as heifer bulls - the bull that had a 65lb birthweight but was born in an outcrossed herd where all the relatives are cattle with 100lb birthweights - there is absolutely no predictability behind this bull to make him a breeder of light birthweight calves. Or the bull that had all the groceries the rest had but failed to grow as big. The bull that is narrow or non-masculine. I know that's the beauty of EPDs - they tell you what he really is :roll: - well not quite, they tell you what he might be, until you try them you don't know. I have no hesitation on using any of my senior herd bulls on heifers - and they are all masculine bulls with necks and shoulders. The only hesitation I would have is in using a big, old mature bull that might risk injuring the heifer at breeding time. As others have said previously though this comes down more to the individual bull and technique rather than actual weight/size.
PureCountry - how will you manage your heifers in your single group multi-sire breeding situation? If the heifers are in with the cows they will likely get bred by the biggest most masculine and aggressive breeder. That wouldn't worry me but maybe it would worry people that buy "heifer bulls"?

 

[PureCountry]

I tried posting a reply once, and I got asked to log in again and lost everything, so if something shows up twice, my apologies.

Just so we're clear on my definition of deep and thick, it has nothing to do with 16-1800lb animals, and I didn't assume that was your preference either Soap. I think we like generally the same size and type, I'm just saying in the case of this bull, I wouldn't buy him, I don't think he has any power to be anything more than a heifer bull. He's not going to sire females like this:


Or this:

Or this:

In my experience, they only come out of bulls like this:

Or this:

But I've been wrong before, about better looking bulls too. :wink:

 

[Soapweed]

I like your bull. He's long; he's thick; he's well-balanced; and he's a handsome dude. Nice purchase.

Here was my original post.

Another astute friend wrote me a personal message questioning my judgement, before any unfavorable comments came out on the thread proper. :wink: I had to justify my judgement to that person, also.

First I want to clarify my wording. Notice I said "thick." By this, I was referring to the third picture of the bull. In it, you can see a backview of his rump. To me, it looks like he has a thick, or at least a fairly wide rump. As this is often times lacking in Angus bulls, I commend the bull for looking "thick" or wide. Notice, I never said the word "deep." If I would have said deep, I'd have been lying, because the bull isn't deep. He doesn't appear to be "shallow," but granted, is probably not as deep as one would like. The bull is moderate, and that is just the way I like 'em.

Another comment said that the bull could be a bit post-legged. Possibly, but I would rather have a bull too post-legged rather than than too "camped under." I definitely don't like cattle that walk in a "camped under" fashion. To me, this bull looks to be in perfect body condition, both physically and nutritionally. He looks like he could walk the pastures day after day, breed a lot of cows, and still maintain his body condition. He is the kind of bull I like to buy.

One thing about arguing with ranchers about cattle is that you can get some rational responses. This is impossible in Political Bull. Try arguing with a Liberal. You'd just as well argue with a fence post.

 

[Denny]

I like your bull. He's long; he's thick; he's well-balanced; and he's a handsome dude. Nice purchase.

Here was my original post.

Another astute friend wrote me a personal message questioning my judgement, before any unfavorable comments came out on the thread proper. :wink: I had to justify my judgement to that person, also.

First I want to clarify my wording. Notice I said "thick." By this, I was referring to the third picture of the bull. In it, you can see a backview of his rump. To me, it looks like he has a thick, or at least a fairly wide rump. As this is often times lacking in Angus bulls, I commend the bull for looking "thick" or wide. Notice, I never said the word "deep." If I would have said deep, I'd have been lying, because the bull isn't deep. He doesn't appear to be "shallow," but granted, is probably not as deep as one would like. The bull is moderate, and that is just the way I like 'em.

Another comment said that the bull could be a bit post-legged. Possibly, but I would rather have a bull too post-legged rather than than too "camped under." I definitely don't like cattle that walk in a "camped under" fashion. To me, this bull looks to be in perfect body condition, both physically and nutritionally. He looks like he could walk the pastures day after day, breed a lot of cows, and still maintain his body condition. He is the kind of bull I like to buy.

One thing about arguing with ranchers about cattle is that you can get some rational responses. This is impossible in Political Bull. Try arguing with a Liberal. You'd just as well argue with a fence post.

Well you come on up and I'll sell you a whole trailer full for that money and deliver them about the same condition and type. I'm not going to critic someone else's bull off of a picture. Each person has a different opinion as to cow's and type's and I'm not going to argue with them. I had a poster come here a few weeks ago and he did'nt feel my type of cattle would work for him which I understand and it was left at that. In the seedstock business you can't offer everything to everyone. On this site it's nice for everyone's opinion but at what cost to make the person feel bad over their decision. I personally liked the bull and would'nt be afraid to use him. To many people think they have the answer to the (BEST TYPE) only problem is the next door neighbor may have a totally different idea.

Take for instance Kit Pharo helluva marketer of smaller type cattle so he say's. The pedigree's don't alway's read that way to me but what ever back to the point. There is a seedstock producer south of here 30 miles that for the last 3 years has sold his top bull to someone from Kit's own town and this guy has some big did I say BIG cow's. To each there own and I like your bull.

 

[per]

Thanks Denny, well said. I have carefully avoided responding to this thread because I didn't know what to say. The one thing that did jump out at me was the color. I was sooo expecting a red bull. Keep on postin those pics of your picks Sic em. There are many different environments and just as many different animals to suit them.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Thanks Denny, well said. I have carefully avoided responding to this thread because I didn't know what to say. The one thing that did jump out at me was the color. I was sooo expecting a red bull. Keep on postin those pics of your picks Sic em. There are many different environments and just as many different animals to suit them.

I understand your confusion per. His Sic'em reds are red Border collies. But he runs black cattle. I know you Albertans are easily confused. :wink: :lol: