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.....I can't make up my dad gum mind!!! Of course, this year's breeding plans went all to **** when the tank went dry, and I'm out of every last straw we had. I guess there was some that needed cleaned out of there, but other stuff... we'll leave it at that. I am having a bit of trouble coming up with an Angus bull for this year. Although generally the OCC stuff works, the muscle and style doesn't quite compensate for the milk loss and fertility problems. So what is (are) some Angus bulls that will throw a calf that's got style and balance, but offers moderate (+15 to +20) milk and is known for making good cows but won't stiff me if I get a bull? Huh, good luck I guess. Too bad we lost all our EXT. Anyway, any help is appreciated and I ain't window shopping at the moment. Thanks. MYT
 
A bull that I have seen several calves, cows and bulls sired by (and own some of both) that will treat you well is Bannon of Wye UMF 8420. Cowmaker and easy calving that is a good heifer bull..

http://www.sustainablegenetics.com/black_angus.html

Take a look at N Bar Prime Time D806... Old proven momma cow maker- and a top sleep all night heifer bull. Altho he has EXT in his background.
Sinclair Cattle Co. has several bulls that go back to the old N Bar, Dale Davis, and Jorgenson breeding that will fit your wishes...Rito Legacy 3R9 is one that doesn't have EXT...I sure like the son of him I have- and the calves he produces....
Another young bull I've heard talked about highly lately (altho have not seen him or any progeny) is a Rito 707 son- Sinclair Wajima 6R110...

A cowmaker bull getting quite a bit of use in our area is Cole Creek Black Cedar 46P # 14496765
 
Oldtimer said:
A bull that I have seen several calves, cows and bulls sired by (and own some of both) that will treat you well is Bannon of Wye UMF 8420. Cowmaker and easy calving that is a good heifer bull..

http://www.sustainablegenetics.com/black_angus.html

Take a look at N Bar Prime Time D806... Old proven momma cow maker- and a top sleep all night heifer bull. Altho he has EXT in his background.
Sinclair Cattle Co. has several bulls that go back to the old N Bar, Dale Davis, and Jorgenson breeding that will fit your wishes...Rito Legacy 3R9 is one that doesn't have EXT...I sure like the son of him I have- and the calves he produces....
Another young bull I've heard talked about highly lately (altho have not seen him or any progeny) is a Rito 707 son- Sinclair Wajima 6R110...

A cowmaker bull getting quite a bit of use in our area is Cole Creek Black Cedar 46P # 14496765
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Thank you OT, I sure appreciate it. Sinclair looks like a good choice for sure. Thanks for putting me on track.
 
MYT-- you might want to look at some other Cole Creek sons too.. They had a son by the name of Cole Creek Juanada Lad 81T 15483092-- that I have a nice up and coming daughter of- and several (including myself) had projected may end up being their best cowmaker bull....But I heard last fall he had gotten killed on the highway- and had limited semen..

I thought of this because of the mention you've used OCC genetics in the past...I know Tim has told several how well the Cole Creek breeding works with his OCC bloodlines...I'm going to try and find out as I have a Bannon daughter and a Juanda Lad daughter bred to OCC Magnitude this year...
 
MYT Farms said:
.....I can't make up my dad gum mind!!! Of course, this year's breeding plans went all to **** when the tank went dry, and I'm out of every last straw we had. I guess there was some that needed cleaned out of there, but other stuff... we'll leave it at that. I am having a bit of trouble coming up with an Angus bull for this year. Although generally the OCC stuff works, the muscle and style doesn't quite compensate for the milk loss and fertility problems. So what is (are) some Angus bulls that will throw a calf that's got style and balance, but offers moderate (+15 to +20) milk and is known for making good cows but won't stiff me if I get a bull? Huh, good luck I guess. Too bad we lost all our EXT. Anyway, any help is appreciated and I ain't window shopping at the moment. Thanks. MYT
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What's a professional AIer doing letting his tank go dry. :?

What fertility problems with OCC cattle?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
MYT Farms said:
.....I can't make up my dad gum mind!!! Of course, this year's breeding plans went all to **** when the tank went dry, and I'm out of every last straw we had. I guess there was some that needed cleaned out of there, but other stuff... we'll leave it at that. I am having a bit of trouble coming up with an Angus bull for this year. Although generally the OCC stuff works, the muscle and style doesn't quite compensate for the milk loss and fertility problems. So what is (are) some Angus bulls that will throw a calf that's got style and balance, but offers moderate (+15 to +20) milk and is known for making good cows but won't stiff me if I get a bull? Huh, good luck I guess. Too bad we lost all our EXT. Anyway, any help is appreciated and I ain't window shopping at the moment. Thanks. MYT
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What's a professional AIer doing letting his tank go dry. :?

What fertility problems with OCC cattle?
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Good question BMR. :mad: Well, I filled it in August when we went up to RMSS to get a big stock of semen. Of course, we wanted to save money on our service guy coming out so we let him know that we had it filled up. Welp, low and behold, come January he came out and she was dry. Our mistake was thinking he would skip just that one cycle and come back for the check and fill as usual. Welp, that's how it happened, and I know for a fact we're not the first to have this happen, but it was a pain all the same. I'll be checking every couple days when we cool it down again. As far as OCC problems, I've told this story before, but Dad and Sis have the two fattest, prettiest, heaviest muscled, and easy keeping cows on the place with heavy OCC influence. Didn't milk very good at all their first calf and raised a couple dinks. Both came up open after two or three shots at A.I. and plenty of time with the bull. (In my defense, this was before Cade started A.I.ing on this place). Hope they stuck this time around. On the other hand, I own a cow that is just as tall (6ish frame) as those two and she has guts and milk to spare. Not a big rear end either. She gave birth to a 90 pound heifer her first year and weaned the heaviest calf by 50 pounds over a bull calf! She's plenty fleshy enough though, and weaned a steer calf again this year. So far as I know, she's bred for a May calf, hopefully a heifer. I could use some more like her.
 
BMR, I think the fertility problem in the OCC cattle is due to the
heavy use of 6807. The folks we bought our bulls from ran into this
using OCC genetics. 6807 does so much right, but you must be
careful when selecting bulls out of him. Negative scrotal...and when
you cross him back more than once, you must be very careful.
FWIW...
 
I have seen first hand and been told many times over that the heavier muscled a female is, the more trouble you are going to have with fertility.
 
When you base a line of cattle off a bull that is questionable for fertility the inevitable eventually happens. MYT I keep my tanks where I have to walk by them every day-it only takes a minute to pick one up and see if its got N in it-plus when they actually fail they usually frost up. I tortured a buddy one day as I emptied his dry tank-kept a running total of the value of the semen we were chucking. Check out Stenberg Coalition 509 at jbarstenbergranch.com he's an interesting bull.
 
Northern Rancher said:
When you base a line of cattle off a bull that is questionable for fertility the inevitable eventually happens. MYT I keep my tanks where I have to walk by them every day-it only takes a minute to pick one up and see if its got N in it-plus when they actually fail they usually frost up. I tortured a buddy one day as I emptied his dry tank-kept a running total of the value of the semen we were chucking. Check out Stenberg Coalition 509 at jbarstenbergranch.com he's an interesting bull.
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Thanks for the link NR. I think I'll now take the time to walk into our A.I. shed and lift her up. Speaking of $$ values, we're upside down over 3 grand on the EXT alone. Of course, Dad bought it back when it was $20 a straw. Should have sold it to someone for a couple hundred a straw and..... No use crying over split semen.

Err, uh, spilt semen. Is split semen like sexed semen???
 
MYT Farms said:
Northern Rancher said:
When you base a line of cattle off a bull that is questionable for fertility the inevitable eventually happens. MYT I keep my tanks where I have to walk by them every day-it only takes a minute to pick one up and see if its got N in it-plus when they actually fail they usually frost up. I tortured a buddy one day as I emptied his dry tank-kept a running total of the value of the semen we were chucking. Check out Stenberg Coalition 509 at jbarstenbergranch.com he's an interesting bull.
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Thanks for the link NR. I think I'll now take the time to walk into our A.I. shed and lift her up. Speaking of $$ values, we're upside down over 3 grand on the EXT alone. Of course, Dad bought it back when it was $20 a straw. Should have sold it to someone for a couple hundred a straw and..... No use crying over split semen.

Err, uh, spilt semen. Is split semen like sexed semen???
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I'm sure NR feels real sorry for ya. :wink:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
MYT Farms said:
Northern Rancher said:
When you base a line of cattle off a bull that is questionable for fertility the inevitable eventually happens. MYT I keep my tanks where I have to walk by them every day-it only takes a minute to pick one up and see if its got N in it-plus when they actually fail they usually frost up. I tortured a buddy one day as I emptied his dry tank-kept a running total of the value of the semen we were chucking. Check out Stenberg Coalition 509 at jbarstenbergranch.com he's an interesting bull.
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Thanks for the link NR. I think I'll now take the time to walk into our A.I. shed and lift her up. Speaking of $$ values, we're upside down over 3 grand on the EXT alone. Of course, Dad bought it back when it was $20 a straw. Should have sold it to someone for a couple hundred a straw and..... No use crying over split semen.

Err, uh, spilt semen. Is split semen like sexed semen???
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I'm sure NR feels real sorry for ya. :wink:
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Heh, I know, he's probably got a whole herd of them EXT mamas out behind his house that he gets all his best bulls out of. :wink: Those things are gentle enough he could send his kids out to check on them. Lol, seein his daughter swingin that hockey stick on that one post has me thinking she probably could tag EXT calves.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Faster horses said:
Now that was probably valuable. Who ever heard of an old Chi? :P :wink:
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How do you AI a Chihuahua? :shock:
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Geez, here for a minute I thought that BMR would just dang near die of excitement that any poodle semen was out of MYT's reach. :lol: And here we go talking about breeding dogs. Harold Miller did say dogs were one of the first domestic animals to be A.I.ed. :shock:
 
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This is a photo of the Wajima bull Oletimer was talking about. I have a couple others I will add they were taken back in August of 09
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The other bull in the pasture with him was a young scottish bull that I can't remember his name but he was a nice bull as well.

http://www.gizmoangus.com
http://www.gizmoangus.blogspot.com
 

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