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Tam said:
Gee looks like Oldtimer must be out shopping as he has yet to bring any proof that Citibank was given an ulitmatum. :wink: [/b]

Missing me Tam :???: - I don't need to prove as I watched it live on tv- when Obama said that Geithner was already jerking the strings on some of the previously handed out money- which included the Citibank jet...

That was the same press conference where he called the Wallstreet Fatcats actions "outrageous" and "shameful".....

Now as to the exact wording and symmantics Geithner put to them--you'll have to ask him :roll: ....
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Gee looks like Oldtimer must be out shopping as he has yet to bring any proof that Citibank was given an ulitmatum. :wink: [/b]

Missing me Tam :???: - I don't need to prove as I watched it live on tv- when Obama said that Geithner was already jerking the strings on some of the previously handed out money- which included the Citibank jet...

That was the same press conference where he called the Wallstreet Fatcats actions "outrageous" and "shameful".....

Now as to the exact wording and symmantics Geithner put to them--you'll have to ask him :roll: ....

I once saw an episode on tv that said a lot of things that were not true!
In your cvase you spejnd so much time watching tv i am surproised you can tell the truth from fiction and or half truths!
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Gee looks like Oldtimer must be out shopping as he has yet to bring any proof that Citibank was given an ulitmatum. :wink: [/b]

Missing me Tam :???: - I don't need to prove as I watched it live on tv- when Obama said that Geithner was already jerking the strings on some of the previously handed out money- which included the Citibank jet...

That was the same press conference where he called the Wallstreet Fatcats actions "outrageous" and "shameful".....

Now as to the exact wording and symmantics Geithner put to them--you'll have to ask him :roll: ....

Fact is however, that anything Citibank or any of the others do relative to this has to be voluntary. Legally the gov't can't make them do anything. They can only suggest, imply and talk down to them and hope they can turn public opinion against them. Shame this same thing doesn't seem to work on politicians.
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Gee looks like Oldtimer must be out shopping as he has yet to bring any proof that Citibank was given an ulitmatum. :wink: [/b]

Missing me Tam :???: - I don't need to prove as I watched it live on tv- when Obama said that Geithner was already jerking the strings on some of the previously handed out money- which included the Citibank jet...

That was the same press conference where he called the Wallstreet Fatcats actions "outrageous" and "shameful".....

Now as to the exact wording and symmantics Geithner put to them--you'll have to ask him :roll: ....

Got to love it everyone but YOU has to prove what they say is true, Reader even expects multiple sources from some of us. :roll:

I watched the same press conference and here is a transcript of that press conference I highlighted the Geithner comment But nowhere does it say it was MONEY that he was pulling back. :?

White House transcript of Obama's comments:

"One point I want to make is that all of us are going to have responsibilities to get this economy moving again. And when I saw an article today indicating that Wall Street bankers had given themselves $20 billion worth of bonuses -- the same amount of bonuses as they gave themselves in 2004 -- at a time when most of these institutions were teetering on collapse and they are asking for taxpayers to help sustain them, and when taxpayers find themselves in the difficult position that if they don't provide help that the entire system could come down on top of our heads -- that is the height of irresponsibility. It is shameful.

"And part of what we're going to need is for folks on Wall Street who are asking for help to show some restraint and show some discipline and show some sense of responsibility. The American people understand that we've got a big hole that we've got to dig ourselves out of -- but they don't like the idea that people are digging a bigger hole even as they're being asked to fill it up.

"And so we're going to be having conversations as this process moves forward directly with these folks on Wall Street to underscore that they have to start acting in a more responsible fashion if we are to together get this economy rolling again. There will be time for them to make profits, and there will be time for them to get bonuses -- now is not that time. And that's a message that I intend to send directly to them, I expect Secretary Geithner to send to them -- and Secretary Geithner already had to pull back one institution that had gone forward with a multimillion dollar jet plane purchase at the same time as they're receiving TARP money. We shouldn't have to do that because they should know better. And we will continue to send that message loud and clear."


The jet was sent back but you have NO IDEA what was said to Citibank to get them to give it up.

Unless you have prove an ulitmatum was given like the jet goes or the money is repaid you LIED. ADMIT IT :x
 
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Gee looks like Oldtimer must be out shopping as he has yet to bring any proof that Citibank was given an ulitmatum. :wink: [/b]

Missing me Tam :???: - I don't need to prove as I watched it live on tv- when Obama said that Geithner was already jerking the strings on some of the previously handed out money- which included the Citibank jet...

That was the same press conference where he called the Wallstreet Fatcats actions "outrageous" and "shameful".....

Now as to the exact wording and symmantics Geithner put to them--you'll have to ask him :roll: ....

Fact is however, that anything Citibank or any of the others do relative to this has to be voluntary. Legally the gov't can't make them do anything. They can only suggest, imply and talk down to them and hope they can turn public opinion against them. Shame this same thing doesn't seem to work on politicians.

You're correct Texasbred- because Congress took Bush/Paulsons word that Paulson would put rules on each individual bailout to strictly regulate where and how the money could be spent- so didn't put anything regulatory in the law--- and then Paulson didn't do it... :(
But Citibank (and hopefully these other Wall Street Fatcats) now recognizes that it is Obama/Geithner that control the purse strings on the remaining money- and any future money if needed -- so they recognize this as "an offer they can't refuse" ...

The refreshing thing I heard on TV the other night (Lou Dobbs) was that the funding from TARP that Obama/Geithner have allocated since taking office, all went to smaller/local banks- with rules that it can only be used to give out small business loans (which I thought it all was supposed to be) and with traceabilty requirements....
 
October 14, 2008
2008-10-14-9-5-0-19994

Treasury Announces Executive Compensation Rules Under the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act

Washington- The U.S. Treasury Department today announced the development of three programs under the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act and corresponding executive compensation and corporate governance standards. These standards generally apply to the chief executive officer, chief financial officer, plus the next three most highly compensated executive officers. Any firm participating in the following three programs will be required to adopt these standards.

Troubled Asset Auction Program- Treasury continues to develop a program to purchase troubled mortgage-related assets through an auction format, and will be issuing program guidance for this program in the coming weeks. Treasury is issuing guidance for the executive compensation requirements that will apply to firms participating in this program. As prescribed by the Act, any financial institution that sells more than $300 million of troubled assets to the Treasury via an auction would be prohibited from entering into new executive employment contracts that include golden parachutes for the term of the program. Treasury is releasing Treasury Notice 2008-TAAP regarding this restriction. Furthermore, under the Act, (1) the financial institution may not deduct for tax purposes executive compensation in excess of $500,000 for each senior executive, (2) the financial institution may not deduct certain golden parachute payments to its senior executives and (3) a 20-percent excise tax will be imposed on the senior executive for these golden parachute payments. Treasury is releasing I.R.S. Notice 2008-94 regarding these new tax rules.


Capital Purchase Program- The Treasury is issuing guidance for this program designed to provide equity capital under standardized terms directly to certain financial institutions, further strengthening their capital structures to facilitate their continued lending in the capital markets. Any financial institution participating in the Capital Purchase Program will be subject to more stringent executive compensation rules for the period during which Treasury holds equity issued under this program. The financial institution must meet certain standards, including: (1) ensuring that incentive compensation for senior executives does not encourage unnecessary and excessive risks that threaten the value of the financial institution; (2) required clawback of any bonus or incentive compensation paid to a senior executive based on statements of earnings, gains, or other criteria that are later proven to be materially inaccurate; (3) prohibition on the financial institution from making any golden parachute payment to a senior executive based on the Internal Revenue Code provision; and (4) agreement not to deduct for tax purposes executive compensation in excess of $500,000 for each senior executive. Treasury is issuing interim final rules for these executive compensation standards.

Programs for Systemically Significant Failing Institutions- The Treasury Department is currently developing a third program to potentially provide direct assistance to certain failing firms on terms negotiated on a case-by-case basis. Treasury is issuing guidance for the executive compensation standards that will apply to the firms participating in such programs and their senior executives (Treasury Notice 2008-PSSFI). These standards are similar in all respects to the Capital Purchase Programs executive compensation standards described above, with one significant difference. In situations where Treasury provides assistance under the systemically significant failing institutions programs, golden parachutes will be defined more strictly to prohibit any payments to departing senior executives.

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Oldtimer said:
TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
Missing me Tam :???: - I don't need to prove as I watched it live on tv- when Obama said that Geithner was already jerking the strings on some of the previously handed out money- which included the Citibank jet...

That was the same press conference where he called the Wallstreet Fatcats actions "outrageous" and "shameful".....

Now as to the exact wording and symmantics Geithner put to them--you'll have to ask him :roll: ....

Fact is however, that anything Citibank or any of the others do relative to this has to be voluntary. Legally the gov't can't make them do anything. They can only suggest, imply and talk down to them and hope they can turn public opinion against them. Shame this same thing doesn't seem to work on politicians.

You're correct Texasbred- because Congress took Bush/Paulsons word that Paulson would put rules on each individual bailout to strictly regulate where and how the money could be spent- so didn't put anything regulatory in the law--- and then Paulson didn't do it... :(
But Citibank (and hopefully these other Wall Street Fatcats) now recognizes that it is Obama/Geithner that control the purse strings on the remaining money- and any future money if needed -- so they recognize this as "an offer they can't refuse" ...

The refreshing thing I heard on TV the other night (Lou Dobbs) was that the funding from TARP that Obama/Geithner have allocated since taking office, all went to smaller/local banks- with rules that it can only be used to give out small business loans (which I thought it all was supposed to be) and with traceabilty requirements....

I heard on FOX that the small banks are not taking the money because of the strings attached.
This article says so too.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008685272_apmeltdownnothanks.html

I also heard Geithner is thinking about lifting the regulations because of the fear the money will not get out to those that need it. :?

This isn't the first time banking regulations have been lifted under Geithners watch either. Remember the regulations lifted that allowed Citibank to tank. :roll:


BTW if the US government can't make Citibank do something once they got the bailout money do to no regulations then how was Obama going to jerk back the money if Citibank didn't send the jet back. :?
 
Some small banks shun bailout funds
Back off requests for aid amid concerns over possible interference, uncertain rules
By Matt Apuzzo
The Associated Press
| Published: 02.02.2009
A small but growing number of community banks are backing out of the government's bailout, which they see as fraught with hidden strings and government interference.
About 20 banks so far that applied for or had been approved to receive about $1 billion combined in taxpayer money have reversed course in the past month and refused to take the money. That's just a fraction of the hundreds of billions of dollars the government already has spent, but it shows that taxpayers aren't the only ones anxious about the financial bailout.
"The government's going to own a good portion of these banks," said David Heintzman, president of Stock Yards Bank & Trust in Louisville, Ky. The bank recently turned down $43 million in approved bailout money.
After Congress approved the $700 billion bailout in October, the government gave banks only a few weeks to decide whether they wanted to take part in the government investment program. Many applied to get a foot in the door, in case predictions of an economic collapse came true.
"We drank the Kool-Aid," said Michael Ross, president of Fidelity Bank in Dearborn, Mich., which applied for about $29 million in November.
But as details emerged, the deal didn't look so good. For Fidelity, taking the money would mean the government would have owned about 25 percent of the company's outstanding stock. Then Congress and the White House could start calling the shots, Ross said. He remembers the government's failure overseeing Freddie Mac and its sister company, Fannie Mae, the two housing companies so badly mismanaged they were taken over by the Bush administration.
"These are the guys who brought you Hurricane Katrina. These are the guys who were supposed to be watching Fannie and Freddie," Ross said. "I've not seen anything like this, where they really are talking about nationalizing banks."
Much of the criticism about the bailout has focused on the lack of oversight, which allowed banks to take money and refuse to say where it's going. Wall Street executives, who make millions of dollars and enjoy lavish perks like private jets, earned the ire of consumer watchdogs who said taxpayers were getting a raw deal.
But some community banks, which had little or nothing to do with the subprime mortgage crisis, say the deal didn't look great for them, either.
Congress wants banks to make loans, so businesses can expand and people can start buying houses again. But lawmakers also want them to make only trustworthy loans, and there are only so many good loans to make in a weak economy with high unemployment.
Explaining that to investors is easy. To politicians, it might looks like you're hoarding taxpayer money.
"Then what? Then they have a guy at our board meeting?" said William Campbell, president of Pamrapo Savings Bank, a Bayonne, N.J., bank that walked away from its $11 million bailout application.
The government also can force banks to cut dividends to shareholders, making a bank's stock less attractive to investors. President Barack Obama has said he wants to prohibit banks from buying other banks. And at any time, Congress can change the law and add new terms.
"Are you going to enter into a contract that will cost you millions of dollars if you can't live with the rules and you don't even know what the rules are?" said Steve Buster, CEO of Richmond, Calif.-based Mechanics Bank, which refused $60 million in bailout money. "I don't know of any other forum that parties can change the contract at will. This is not fair."
The banks that turned down the money said they were comfortable their own finances will allow them to weather the storm. For some, taking the money seemed riskier than turning it down.
"We finally said, 'Hey, do we really want to go down this path?' " said Michael Blodnick, chief executive of Glacier Bancorp of Kalispell, Mont. "I understand a lot of banks do, and a lot of banks need to."
 
"I don't know of any other forum that parties can change the contract at will. This is not fair."

Seems to be a trend emerging with the new government! Sign an executive order, then sign waivers the next day, why would you trust them?
 

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