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Older Canadian cattle back in U.S. food chain

HAY MAKER

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WASHINGTON - The Department of Agriculture began to allow the importation of older Canadian cattle into the U.S. on Monday for the first time in more than four years, marking a final rollback of trade restrictions imposed after the 2003 discovery of mad cow disease in Canada.

The change, which drew criticism from some cattle and consumer groups, means that cattle up to 8 years old may enter the U.S. for sale, slaughter or breeding. Initially, the Agriculture Department in 2003 had halted all Canadian cattle imports. But in 2005 it started allowing younger Canadian cattle into the United States.

Canada has discovered nine more mad cow cases since the first diseased cow was isolated in May 2003. The first U.S. case was discovered in December that year in Washington state and involved a cow that was born in Canada. Two other U.S. cases, one in Texas and one in Alabama, have since been discovered.
Some scientists believe that mad cow disease, formally known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or BSE, presents itself in older cattle.

The USDA's chief veterinary officer, John Clifford, said that a department analysis shows the risk of mad cow disease because of importation to be minimal.

"We've evaluated the potential risk, and we consider the risk to be extremely small," Clifford said. "There are very much interlocking safeguards in both Canada and the U.S."

The new import provision was praised by some U.S. cattle groups as the normalization of trade after several years of mad cow scares.

"We look at this rule as finalization of a process that started some time ago," said Jay Truitt, vice president of government affairs for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association, which favors the new rule. "At some point or another we had to get to this."
Other cattle groups opposed the change, as did consumer groups that have long opposed relaxed import rules.

"We think it's a bad idea," said Michael Hansen, a mad cow disease expert with Consumers Union, which publishes Consumer Reports magazine. "It doesn't make sense on the science. The prevalence of [mad cow] in Canada is 30 times the level it is in the U.S."

The disease is believed to be a variant of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans, which attacks and destroys the brain and nervous system. No one has been recorded as contracting those symptoms after eating beef in the United States. But in Britain, which suffered a serious mad cow outbreak in the 1980s, more than 100 people died from the disease.

Scientists suspect that mad cow disease can be transmitted to cows through feed that contains animal bone and tissue that is ground into feed for protein. Canada and the U.S. have placed restrictions on just what animal parts may be used to make cattle feed.

The USDA's new Canada import rule makes it legal to import cattle born after March 1, 1999, the date when restrictions were put on cattle feed in Canada. However, 5 of the 10 cases of mad cow discovered in Canada involved cattle born after that feed-ban date, said Hansen of Consumers Union.

"That doesn't suggest that the feed ban is working very well," he said.

Monday's rule change follows a lengthy dispute over Canadian cattle imports, and concerns by ranchers and consumer advocates about mad cow disease in the U.S. and the effect that cheaper Canadian cattle will have on the U.S. market.

Right now, Truitt said, U.S. cattle are priced at about $93 per each hundred pounds, compared with about $70.50 for Canadian imports.

The typical rate of trade before the mad cow scares, he said, involved about 1 million cattle crossing the U.S.-Canadian border annually.

Import opponents argue that large American meat packing companies own cattle in Canada and now can ship them to the U.S. instead of buying from American ranchers. But the USDA's Clifford said the import rule change wasn't made because of pressure from big companies, but to bring the U.S. in line with World Trade Organization standards.

"It's not a matter of pressure from meat producers to go ahead and make this change," Clifford said. "We didn't make this because anybody's pressuring us at all."

When mad cow was discovered in the U.S., the Agriculture Department launched a cattle testing initiative that involved 787,000 cattle. Now, however, the testing has been scaled back to about 40,000 animals annually. There are an estimated 100 million heads of cattle in the U.S.

Clifford said that some "feeder" cattle bound for a feedlot in the U.S. crossed into the U.S. under the new rule Monday.

"It is probably OK," said Sen. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.), a one-time farmer and a member of the Senate Agriculture Committee, in a meeting Monday with the Tribune editorial board. He wasn't aware, he added, that U.S. officials had cleared the way for cattle to begin arriving in the U.S., but noted, "As long as all the inspections and protocols are in place, I don't have a problem."

Bill Bullard, chief executive of R-Calf, a ranchers group that opposes expanded imports, said the USDA hasn't devised enough safeguards to track imported cattle.
Bullard said that USDA requirements that imported Canadian cattle either be branded or bear an inner ear "CAN" tattoo aren't enough to enable health officials to trace an animal that is found to be carrying mad cow or other diseases. The new rule also lifts a requirement that cattle arriving in the U.S. from Canada must travel in a trailer bearing an unbroken government seal.

R-Calf on Friday requested a temporary restraining order from a federal judge in Aberdeen, S.D., to block the new import rule.

While USDA officials said that livestock tracking systems are adequate, a recent episode in Washington state exposed serious lapses in record-keeping involving Canadian cattle.

Washington's state Department of Agriculture had difficulty determining the age and health of some of the imported cattle, a trade that cattle producers there said was brisk.

State records obtained by the Tribune showed that some of the cattle lacked required health certificates and identification tags. Some of the cattle were already slaughtered by the time those problems were discovered, the records showed.
 
If Michael Hansen, a mad cow disease expert with Consumers Union,believes the risks associated with canadian beef are 30 times higher for consumers.............and their magazine is read by millions,I ask a simple question............will this diminish demand for beef ?
good luck
 
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.


Canada's cattle herd is only 15 percent of the size of the US herd and about equal to the number of cattle in Texas. On July 1 Texas had 15.5 million head compared to the 15.7 million head in Canada.
Now take your BSE positive cattle,compared to mine, and do some cowboy rithmatic .
good luck
 
HAY MAKER said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.


Canada's cattle herd is only 15 percent of the size of the US herd and about equal to the number of cattle in Texas. On July 1 Texas had 15.5 million head compared to the 15.7 million head in Canada.
Now take your BSE positive cattle,compared to mine, and do some cowboy rithmatic .
good luck


Start testing your cattle and then you you can give a smart ash answer. :sure:
 
HeyNow said:
HAY MAKER said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.


Canada's cattle herd is only 15 percent of the size of the US herd and about equal to the number of cattle in Texas. On July 1 Texas had 15.5 million head compared to the 15.7 million head in Canada.
Now take your BSE positive cattle,compared to mine, and do some cowboy rithmatic .
good luck


Start testing your cattle and then you you can give a smart ash answer. :sure:

That's not a smart ash answer that's a fact :wink:
good luck
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.

The CDC said it was 26 times.
 
Sandhusker said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.

The CDC said it was 26 times.

And Canada's head TSE/BSE expert admitted to the Canadian ranchers attorney that there are probably 50 head of infected Canadian cattle...
 
What % do ya'll test of all cattle again? :roll:
Start testing and not covering up and let's see how much BSE you have not just BS.
Start testing your 4-7 year olds ; remember ya'll can still feed animal protein to your cattle YUM YUMMMMMMM>>> :mad:.
Let's advertise that and see how many consumers want to buy US beef :P ?
 
HeyNow said:
What % do ya'll test of all cattle again? :roll:
Start testing and not covering up and let's see how much BSE you have not just BS.
Start testing your 4-7 year olds ; remember ya'll can still feed animal protein to your cattle YUM YUMMMMMMM>>> :mad:.
Let's advertise that and see how many consumers want to buy US beef :P ?

You're confusing the issue, this is about the possibility of Canadian cattle spreading BSE down here.
 
I guess the odds of us finding another case of BSE is dependent on the number of cattle crossing the border,hopefully it will be minimal until we get M COOL,because I have zero faith in usda's ability to track a fat squaw in fresh snow..................good luck
 
Sandhusker wrote:
You're confusing the issue, this is about the possibility of Canadian cattle spreading BSE down here

That is the sad part, and that is what we are going to do.A national campaign to announce to the world and especially American consumers> CANADIAN CATTLE DO NOT consume any animal proteins but US CATTLE DOES.Let's see how many consumers will be BEGGING for Canadian beef.

Instead of worrying about our product maybe you should be thinking about yours?
 
HeyNow said:
That is the sad part, and that is what we are going to do.A national campaign to announce to the world and especially American consumers> CANADIAN CATTLE DO NOT consume any animal proteins but US CATTLE DOES.Let's see how many consumers will be BEGGING for Canadian beef.

Instead of worrying about our product maybe you should be thinking about yours?

We should be thinking about both, but you can't get all the flies out of the house if the windows are open.
 
you north of the border assholes. You guys have a short memory of how much begging you were doing to us when we put the banned on you guys because you had all this beef that you could not get rid of. I also know this for a fact that we haul a lot of cattle up to you guys to be processed so your beef has the same animal proteins in it as ours do.
 
cure......would you care to quote some of the stats on numbers of fed cattle and feeders that have come north of the line for feeding and/or processing? You can either use the last year or the last five.......the numbers are quite similar! Perhaps your answer will show who the real ash is :!:
 
HAY MAKER said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.


Canada's cattle herd is only 15 percent of the size of the US herd and about equal to the number of cattle in Texas. On July 1 Texas had 15.5 million head compared to the 15.7 million head in Canada.
Now take your BSE positive cattle,compared to mine, and do some cowboy rithmatic .
good luck


Haymaker lets do a comparison. I will post how many cows I run and how many I have had tested by the CFIA. You post how many cows you run and How many you have had tested by the USDA.

We will see how the numbers compare.

Have we got a deal?
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
Haymaker,
How in the hell does he know that our beef is 30times a greater risk than yours? WE test and report, not shoot,shovel and shut up like you. your jsut narrow minded and cant see past the fact your risk might even be greater than ours.


Canada's cattle herd is only 15 percent of the size of the US herd and about equal to the number of cattle in Texas. On July 1 Texas had 15.5 million head compared to the 15.7 million head in Canada.
Now take your BSE positive cattle,compared to mine, and do some cowboy rithmatic .
good luck


Haymaker lets do a comparison. I will post how many cows I run and how many I have had tested by the CFIA. You post how many cows you run and How many you have had tested by the USDA.

We will see how the numbers compare.

Have we got a deal?

No we dont have a deal.........I dont trust you canuckleheads.
good luck
 
HAY MAKER said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
HAY MAKER said:
Canada's cattle herd is only 15 percent of the size of the US herd and about equal to the number of cattle in Texas. On July 1 Texas had 15.5 million head compared to the 15.7 million head in Canada.
Now take your BSE positive cattle,compared to mine, and do some cowboy rithmatic .
good luck


Haymaker lets do a comparison. I will post how many cows I run and how many I have had tested by the CFIA. You post how many cows you run and How many you have had tested by the USDA.

We will see how the numbers compare.

Have we got a deal?

No we dont have a deal.........I dont trust you canuckleheads.
good luck


I guess everybody knows now who's tested a higher percentage of their cattle. Thanks Haymaker for confirming that FACT. :lol:
 

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