Oldtimer--Who will lead us into the future?

[Mike]

Agman wrote:Origin labeling will not lead to increased sales of U.S beef as some adamantly suggest. Rather the opposite will prove to be true. That is already the history when imported beef sets side-by-side along U.S. beef.

I think your theory might apply for some countries, maybe Canada and a few others, but not all.

I don't see Uruguayan or Zimbabwean Beef setting the woods on fire here.

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "That is already the history when imported beef sets side-by-side along U.S. beef."

We've never put any effort into encouraging the consumer to buy the US instead of foreign. Why are you advocating surrender without even firing a shot? Does this have anything to do with you claiming "we" can make more money importing foreign beef than buying domestic cattle?

 

[Ben Roberts]

I'm thinking a person would have to think small at first with plenty of room to grow. You're going to have to start small because of the small demographics that will be involved in the ground floor. You're only going to get the wildcats with money, which excludes the "watch-and-waiters" and the "I'll never changers" and any of the subgroups who don't have money because I can certainly tell you no banker is going to lend money to something with no track record. If we set ourselves up for success with a baby step, the ball is rolling, and that first step will be the most important. Get a couple base hits first.....

You're correct...first secure a market and then work with a packer that can process to fit that market. One of the problems is the lack of small and medium size packers that were bought up and shut down.

Ben, you were right about Scott.

Robert, you are also correct in what you have said. I looked around, and wondered, how did we get here.

 

[RobertMac]

Hey Agbuddy, long time, no post...I would assume that the survey you site was a survey of beefeaters? Wouldn't it help to survey none-beefeaters to find out why they don't, so we can change their minds to make them beefeaters?

(Mike, before you get excited, I'm not talking about drinkers! :shock: :wink: :lol: )

The only things that matter to the consumer are price and taste.

That is wrong...if it was true, I wouldn't have a market and higher priced Organic wouldn't be growing at double digit rates! The problem with industry leadership is that they are afraid to address the consumer concerns that would lead to real market expansion...the high price of corn might change that!!!!

We need to capitalize on the one advantage that beef has over our competition - TASTE.

Taste is fat...beef fat is identified as saturated fat...the medical professionals and the Federal government claim saturated fats are the cause of many of the USA's chronic health problems...until this issue is addressed, beef sales are going no where! And if any cattleman thinks that natural animal saturated fats are a health problem, they should get out of the cattle business!!!!!!!!

Origin labeling will not lead to increased sales of U.S beef as some adamantly suggest. Rather the opposite will prove to be true. That is already the history when imported beef sets side-by-side along U.S. beef.

Isn't competition the best motivator...if you are scared, say you are...I say bring it on!!!! The blocking of MCOOL is not about protecting USA beef from being over taken by imports...just the opposite!

 

[RobertMac]

I'm thinking a person would have to think small at first with plenty of room to grow. You're going to have to start small because of the small demographics that will be involved in the ground floor. You're only going to get the wildcats with money, which excludes the "watch-and-waiters" and the "I'll never changers" and any of the subgroups who don't have money because I can certainly tell you no banker is going to lend money to something with no track record. If we set ourselves up for success with a baby step, the ball is rolling, and that first step will be the most important. Get a couple base hits first.....

You're correct...first secure a market and then work with a packer that can process to fit that market. One of the problems is the lack of small and medium size packers that were bought up and shut down.

Ben, you were right about Scott.

Robert, you are also correct in what you have said. I looked around, and wondered, how did we get here.

Cheap corn made farm finished beef uneconomical...certainly the opposite will be true for the farmer/rancher that can raise his own feed. And the win-win for the rancher is...when fats become more valuable than feeders, not only will he reap the larger profit margin, but his beef will be of higher quality and make it even more profitable to sell beef rather than fats!!!!!!!!!!! Opportunity is knocking...if you have a feedlot on your farm, you should have been getting it in ready yesterday!!!!!

 

[Jason]

The only things that matter to the consumer are price and taste.

That is wrong...if it was true, I wouldn't have a market and higher priced Organic wouldn't be growing at double digit rates! The problem with industry leadership is that they are afraid to address the consumer concerns that would lead to real market expansion...the high price of corn might change that!!!!

We need to capitalize on the one advantage that beef has over our competition - TASTE.

Taste is fat...beef fat is identified as saturated fat...the medical professionals and the Federal government claim saturated fats are the cause of many of the USA's chronic health problems...until this issue is addressed, beef sales are going no where! And if any cattleman thinks that natural animal saturated fats are a health problem, they should get out of the cattle business!!!!!!!!

Origin labeling will not lead to increased sales of U.S beef as some adamantly suggest. Rather the opposite will prove to be true. That is already the history when imported beef sets side-by-side along U.S. beef.

Isn't competition the best motivator...if you are scared, say you are...I say bring it on!!!! The blocking of MCOOL is not about protecting USA beef from being over taken by imports...just the opposite!

RM your beef is priced where your customers think it is good value at the price they pay. Try increasing the price 30%.Try letting the flavor slip at your current prices.

I agree fat adds flavor. However, taste also comes from age sex and handling of the beef. Ask butchers the difference in grind handled as fresh off the carcass and frozen vs shipped raw in plastic containers. Then ask consumers if they want to buy frozen pounds of grind every night on their way home.

MCool without traceback is a joke. I agree allow all beef to be tracked equally, don't force Canadian product to have higher costs arbitrarilly forced on it. Competition is only valid on a level field.

 

[Ben Roberts]

Robert, I was speaking of this thread, when I said, I looked around and wondered, how we got here.

Ben Roberts

 

[rkaiser]

I think that there is room for identity in this organisation you speak of Ben, how about you.

Like Jason says, rules need to apply equally to both countries but what would be wrong with Cool to create competition in the industry which is sorrily lacking at this point in time, and will decline further under present policy.

 

[Mike]

Jason wrote: MCool without traceback is a joke.

The COOL legislation did not advocate "No Traceback". Just the opposite. In fact it is/was obvious that traceback is essential.

COOL only said that any one particular "System" of traceback would not be dictated by the USDA and would be an industry derived measure.

In other words..........we don't care how you do it. Just do it!

 

[agman]

Agman, "That is already the history when imported beef sets side-by-side along U.S. beef."

We've never put any effort into encouraging the consumer to buy the US instead of foreign. Why are you advocating surrender without even firing a shot? Does this have anything to do with you claiming "we" can make more money importing foreign beef than buying domestic cattle?

By default, as your cronies have repeatedly pointed out, since it is not labeled consumers already believe it is U.S product anyway. Fact is as I have stated. When imported product is labeled and placed along side U.S beef it has outsold the U.S product. That fact has been true in every region of the country. Therfore, I have conceded nothing and you have presented no facts as usual to counter what I know to be the consumer's response to-date.

I would not expect you to be able to understand how we are better off importing some cheaper product while we concentrate of value-added higher margin product. That is just a bit over your head.

 

[Sandhusker]

Agman, "By default, as your cronies have repeatedly pointed out, since it is not labeled consumers already believe it is U.S product anyway. Fact is as I have stated. When imported product is labeled and placed along side U.S beef it has outsold the U.S product. That fact has been true in every region of the country. Therfore, I have conceded nothing and you have presented no facts as usual to counter what I know to be the consumer's response to-date."

I did present a fact; We haven't made any effort to promote US beef over imported. How many ads have you heard on radio or seen in magazines that do that? You hear, "Beef, it's what's for dinner", not "US beef....."

Agman, "I would not expect you to be able to understand how we are better off importing some cheaper product while we concentrate of value-added higher margin product. That is just a bit over your head."

I understand fully how your "we" are better off. I understand why your "we" are investing globally, lobbying for border free trade, fighting COOL, etc.... The "we" that I'm in are the ones being bypassed by your "we". My "we" don't make a profit if we don't make a sale. Unless you can provide a direct correalation between packer profits and cattle prices, your "we" and my "we" are at odds on this deal.