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Pharos Bull Sale

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I'm with NR on this. Stress is the biggest problem the industry has in producing tender, quality beef. Ideally, top quality beef will come from a calf that has been raised from birth to slaughter with absolutely no stress. Using cattle with known disposition problems hurts the entire industry!
 
Pretty strong statement, RobertMac. Biggest problem?


NR, I don't doubt your experience, but I wouldn't be so brave as to say everybody has trouble with them.



I know of 3 large outfits ranging from 1,100 to over 5,000 head and everyone of the cows traces to EXT at least once, some up to 4 or 5 times, and 5522 and E31 more than that.

The disposition doesn't bother them.

I think it has at least partially to do with whatever else is behind the cattle.

I think EXT will sire about 2x as many crazies as average. Just a guess. I sure wouldn't deny that. Just never heard of anyone having trouble on a large scale like you have had with these. A few, but not the whole bunch. Or cases where farmers had a "whole bunch" of crazies, like 4 or 5 head, LOL.

Badlands
 
Their is a difference in disposition from the way you handle your cattle. I have seen where one guy could could not even come close to handling them, but he liked to rush everything. But when his neighbors came over to help, they did it slower and quieter and it all went smooth. I also think that most of the ranches with several hundred or thousands of cattle don't notice disposition as much as the smaller ranches or farms. Most of these bigger outfits handle everything with a horse and not on foot or not on a loud fast 4-wheeler. Most bigger ranchs edon't run everything through a barn for calving. So they just don't see people near as much. But this can also encourage poorer dispostitions as well, as most don't know which cattle are poorer either since they do not handle as much. Just my thoughts.
 
Well when all things are equal and one group of cattle are consistantly standing out as bad actors it makes you wonder. Mine came from an outfit where they don't hear loud voices and there's no such thing as a four wheeler. The other heifers in the group are easy to handle on horseback or on foot if need be. The Emulation 31 bloodline is known as being hot. Just something to be aware of before anybody uses much of him. If your prepared to deal with or cull the nut cases you'll be fine-I just got hung with a bunch due to BSE and had to work thropugh them instead of culling the bad ones en masse.
 
I think anyone who plans on using E31 bloodlines already has. He was born almost 40 years ago.

Most everybody has some of it, and might not even know it.

Such is the fate when everybody uses everybody else's AI bulls.

NR, the N Bar cows I went through have been culled regulary for disposition, like you suggested they might have been. The guy is working on that, which is pretty easy since the cattle tend to be uniform and good enough in other respects so that you can put pressure on disposition.

Well, we have about beat this one to death. LOL.

Badlands
 
I'm about one gooseneck full from having mine beat too-it was fun while it lasted lol. The N Bar is a good ranch for sure-I'm trying to think of the bull I liked when I was there but it escapes me now. As far as their present cattle the old Primetime bull looks pretty useful and has the kind opf EPD's that would work here-if I can just blank out the bottom of his pedigree lol.
 
Our neighbor has a Pharo bull and he's not very nice to look at and he's angry as heck. Last summer the neighbor didn't get home and asked me to run over and check the water on his "great" bull and when I arrived over there once I stepped close to the fence he would hit it and kick dirt. Why anyone would want to breed that into their cattle is beyond me.

We all waited around to see his calves in the fall and to see if they were as superior as he expected and they weren't great and either were their weights.
 

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