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Polled Hereford bull calves

>>Don't mind him, he's always this nice, aren't ya nortex?<<

Well, I try!

Seems some people are offended by the word: POODLES!


POODLES!!POODLES!!POODLES!!POODLES!!POODLES!!POODLES!!POODLES!!

LOL!
 
bulls that resemble dairy bulls
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HEY Whats wrong with a Jersey Bull?????? hmmm I will get you a picture of a great one ...even a couple cute steers. Jersey bulls are not tiny and they will eat you for lunch. :wink:

Nortex here ya go just for you

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Now that's what I'm TALKING ABOUT!!!

I just don't know if that poodle is freaky fronted enough, though. Probably didn't stand first in it's class!
 
Nice looking Herefords, I've always been partial to them. Which sounds strange since I run mostly Charolais cattle now.

Out of the three bulls, according to my own preference, I like photo #2 bull best, the bull you just purchased second and photo #1 third. Photo #2 bull looks very well proportioned front to back, both in muscle & bone structure. IMO he looks more masculine than the other two, but still has a well shaped head for easy calving.
 
PureCountry said:
THe one yuou bought reminds me of what the Angus did to their cattle - at least the majority - over the last 20 years. They bred the masculinity out of the bulls, and ended up with beef bulls that resemble dairy bulls. You're purchase may be square from behind, but he has the front end of a female, and that's just wrong in my opinion.
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Nortex I was referring to how I have never seen in person a hereford with a front end like that.
PureCountry like I said before that picture was taken awhile ago and he looks much different without being groomed. A picture doesn't give a very good depiction of the animal.
 
Hereford76 said:
PureCountry said:
THe one yuou bought reminds me of what the Angus did to their cattle - at least the majority - over the last 20 years. They bred the masculinity out of the bulls, and ended up with beef bulls that resemble dairy bulls. You're purchase may be square from behind, but he has the front end of a female, and that's just wrong in my opinion.
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I agree...The reason you see so many angus breeders/ranchers looking to genetics from the 60's, 70's, 80's to put the angus back into angus....
 
Oldtimer said:
Hereford76 said:
PureCountry said:
THe one yuou bought reminds me of what the Angus did to their cattle - at least the majority - over the last 20 years. They bred the masculinity out of the bulls, and ended up with beef bulls that resemble dairy bulls. You're purchase may be square from behind, but he has the front end of a female, and that's just wrong in my opinion.
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I agree...The reason you see so many angus breeders/ranchers looking to genetics from the 60's, 70's, 80's to put the angus back into angus....
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or put the british back into british. I was just typing about this on CT when someone posted some pictures of a couple good old canadian hereford bulls and I stated that I sincerely believe that producers are seeking those older genetics because they have been chasing genetics with no merits and want to get back to the basics. I think i'm going to start a new topic to get other views on this.
 
PureCountry said:
As for the bull, you asked for opinions, and we've given them. Best of luck with him.
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Here's mine - he looks like all the rest of the "modern polled hereford" cattle... steers with nuts. But you are right - you have to use what keeps your head above water and if that is the right phenotype for the show ring then no more explanation needed.
 
Here's my opinion, to me the bull you purchased looks like a good candidate for the show ring. Yes he appears to have a thick hind quarter, but at the other end of the spectrum the frount end is not the best. The should have an equal amount of muscle in the front as well. Our judging team coaches told us that the bulls need to be balanced and when you cut them from flank to shoulder and hang the halves on a scale, they should balance. This bull is diffently not balanced. It appears to me that this bull was purchased for the pedigree he carries. I may be wrong but if you are trying to make money in the cattle industry you need to have quick gaining cattle that will make you money. "Do you work for your cows, or the cows work for you?" In saying this I mean are you just having them for the showring results, and pedigree or to make money? Just curious
 
We don't show calves on a national scale or even a state scale. We have people from around the area that purchase calves or rent calves to show at county fairs and one person has showed a heifer at the state fair this past year. We strive to produce a functional set of calves that will both excell for the commercial producer as well as the seedstock producer. We retain on average about 11 or 12 replacement heifers a year and maybe a few bulls. We have sold this year around 9 heifers to seedstock producers around the area, 21 feeder calves, and one bull calf. We have a girl that wants to show 2 heifers and a steer and cousins that want to show a couple of steers. We have had commercial guys come in and buy bulls before and several repeat seedstock producers wanting more heifers. We had a Remitall Online 122L bull for i want to say two years but he ruptured his scrotum so we have been in search for another one. We have looked at 6 different bulls from nationally known producers and this is the best one by far that we have come across. His pedigree is stacked with both carcass quality sires and proven female producers. Like I have said in earlier posts this picture was taken awhile ago and you can't judge a bull based off of pictures. They are on production. Able Acres has 4 full brothers, as well as two half sibs from the maternal side that they are currently using. So I'd say that he fit into our future goals.
 
CosgrayHerefords said:
We had a Remitall Online 122L bull for i want to say two years but he ruptured his scrotum so we have been in search for another one.
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you say you want to produce cattle acceptable to commercial and seedstock... did you ever stop to wonder if hernia was a heritable trait. hmm, I wonder why remitall dispersed?

I can't resist in this next statement and I don't blame those that will judge me for it and nothing personal CosgrayHereford- but your example of the polled version of "herefords" are going to screw the HEREFORD breed all over again and I'm not talking about the show world. I mean in the real world where ranchers don't want to have to worry about defects like hernia, epilepsy, prolapse, cancer eye, bad bags and/or feet or any other reason they went away from Herefords in the first place. They might not see it in the first couple of calf crops but 10 years down the road when they come back to similair genetics that will be all it takes. The HEREFORD breed has lost at least one or two generations of cattlemen for the mistakes it made back then. Now when we have a chance to get some of that back - when ranchers want do-ablility and efficiency through all levels of the industry... this is what we are going to give them, another reason to quit. I don't mean to make this a horned/polled thing but I believe the only reason we have a polled version of herefords is merely to avoid dehorning - a single trait selection that is too much to pay for the odd dehorning in nations cowherd today. I am a purist and there is much about what is happening to our breed that makes me want to quit everytime I see things like this. Someone posted a picture of a ugly old angus cow on here and she is a good example of the point I am trying to make. Bulls like 46E that weren't the perfect phenotype for the show world never got promoted or used like 122L that in reality would have done our breed much more. I don't believe in the DNA filtering tests we have now for dilutor or epilepsy either. Defect cattle should be culled no matter what PERIOD.
 
What do horned herefords have that you like and also dislike?
Also what do polled herefords have that you like and also dislike?

Also he ruptured his scrotum. It happened when he was fighting another bull when we had just moved them and he jumped one of our divider fences and ruptured it. It had nothing to do with a hernia or anything that was passed on from his ancestors.
 
Comment was made earlier, after my comment about forearm, (what do you mean, forearm?) The following comments didn't comment on this but the last one hit most of it on the head of the nail except a couple of points.

I don't know about the States but up here, Herefords couldn't be sold as yearling, later maturity, had to pushed to a fat two year old with no natural muscle and a fat scrotum, high chined, and weren't sure of longevity.

You can have all the feed you want in an animal, the front leg (forearm) above the knee shows if the animal has natural muscle. The calves will ahve with proper cross breeding. Sorry for my contempt towards the breed, experience talking from our commercial herd.
 
It had nothing to do with a hernia
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keep telling yourself that!



I guess it isn't so much about what I like or dislike about horned or polled as it is about what I like or dislike about the producers and the principles behind them that are breeding the cattle. I live in the real world were every bill is paid from revenue generated by grass that is converted into beef by my beloved employees. I cannot afford inefficiencies, especially these days and thus my frustration. I said that at times I feel like quiting mainly because of what has become mainstream in this country. So take a wild guess about what I like or dislike in either horned or polled cattle. Again.. I really mean no disrespect just frustrated that two producers would even have to have this conversation.
 
I'm not and never have been a true Hereford fan even though I have owned a few bulls and a lot of Hereford cows over the last 30 years.

The Hereford breeders that stayed OUT of the show ring have managed to keep functional cattle that can work in the real world for the most part.

As a commercial cattleman that has had just about every concievable cross of cow in my herd and since you asked the question, I will give you my perspective......

?#1 What do Horned H have that you like or dislike

Likes...
The cross well with any breed.
They are, for the most part, easy to work.
They can stand cold temps well.

Dislikes......
Sunburned udders.
Most, not all, will end up with bad bags before they reach 10 years.
They don't milk as well or as long as some other breeds.
Later maturing...longer on feed.
Todays marketplace, less income for dollars spent.
Cancer eyes.
Older bulls tend to find shady spots for the summer instead of breeding cows.
Good useable bulls have gotten extremely hard to find.


Now for Polled H

Likes.....
Absolutely none

Dislikes
They bring less income than any breed but Longhorns and dairy steers in our market
They are the stupidest mothers of any we have owned.
Instead of muscle they tend to put on flabby fat
Cancer eye
Bad bags, no milk.
You can buy the best/highest priced PH bulls at a multi-contributor bull sale and your calves will still weigh less than any other beef breed.


Remember, you asked the questions. :wink:
 
How can jumping a fence and rupturing your scrotum have anything to do with a hernia? Also how does that have anything to do with genetics?

Remitall dispersed probably for the same reason DeShazers did, Detweiler did and others. Its a marketing tool. They have eggs, semen, embryos, land equipment. They also retained possession and interest on a lot of the bulls they sold. So I would say you will probably see a comeback in a couple of years.

gcreek- I don't know where you are getting your info from but it is very limited to your region. Our calves get competetive prices in the stockyards, and if they aren't profitable then why are people breeding them and using them? We consistently produce 700 lb calves on grass and mommas milk at weaning every year. This year we averaged 667 lbs. for 62 calves. That includes heifers, bulls, and steers. 15 of those calves were born in May or later. If you like that a horned hereford bull will cross well with any breed, a polled bull will do the same job. Polled herefords are just as docile as horned herefords and usually more docile. And polled herefords can stand cold temps just as well as horned herefords. So how can you like nothing from the polled breed when you list the same qualities they possess with the horned breed.
 
In my opinion the 700 lb. calf on grass and milk is to big for any breed.I think they look like Simmentals.But then I think my herefords show simmental too.
 

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