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Prairie Dogs and Tony Dean

jodywy said:
publichunter said:
They were almost made extinct by the use of different poisens that have since been banned by the govt because of their secondarily poison properties. The ferrets in the Canata basin are still wild ferrets and were not or never were raised in captivity.
Do you think polls are free of cost, I bet R-calf or the Stockgrowers pay for polls.
Because pols are dumb enough to answer.....
Why would the NC pay for something if it wasnt in perpituity, who knows what or who will be head of it in 20 years. It is pure and simple to protect it how it is today.
What I understand is all the blackfooted ferrets came from the Pitchfork ranch in Wyoming and were repopulated from a captive program at UW and CSU, So all wild ferrets came from captive ferrets use to build up the population


Well if they've been on the Pitchfork ( founded 1878) all those years and not made it go bust....they can't be all bad then can they?


PDogs and ferrets make itty bitty holes....want some good ol Southern groundhogs that will make holes big enough you can crawl up in them???
 
your are right jodywy.

The black-footed ferret originally occurred in the Great Plains from Alberta and Saskatchewan, Canada, to Texas and Arizona, USA. It experienced a dramatic decline during the first half of the 20th century. In Canada, it has not been recorded since 1937. By the late 1970's it was thought to be extinct in both countries. In 1981, however, a colony was found in Wyoming, USA. All remaining black-footed ferrets were captured and sent to a captive breeding center. As a result of the captive breeding program, black-footed ferrets now live at seven reintroduction sites in the USA, including sites in Montana, Wyoming, Arizona, South Dakota, and along the Colorado/Utah border, as well as in Chihuahua, Mexico.
 
PT as i said in my previous post, I am sure the study if it really means that much to you is published, why dont you try to google it? or better yet call Dan on Monday and ask huim for a copy, I am sure he would be happy to give you one, then you would have all the answers to the questions.

You were the one touting this report............so surely you have it at hand. You touted this report, so back it up or I will have to regard your claims as suspect. I will not waste my time on searching for something you should have at your immediate disposal if you are refering back to it.
It is not my job to back up your assertions.
Still waiting for your answer.................unless you have no answer.
 
Here is the rest of what I read on the net to substantiate that they were not always on the Conata Basin but were raised in captivity and reintroduced.

The black-footed ferret weighs about 1 kg (2.2 lb). It is a slender, wiry animal with a black face mask and short, sleek fur with a yellow-buff color.
The black-footed ferret is usually found on shortgrass and midgrass prairies in close association with prairie dogs, which constitute most of its diet. In addition to feeding on prairie dogs, the ferret lives in prairie dog colonies. It spends most of its time underground in prairie dog burrows, typically spending only a few minutes aboveground each day. In burrows it sleeps, caches its food, avoids predators and harsh weather, and gives birth to its young. While remaining in a burrow the ferret subsists on cached food. The black-footed ferret does not hibernate, but in winter, the amount of time it is active decreases substantially. It is secretive and primarily nocturnal.
The female black-footed ferret usually bears 3 - 4 young per litter. The young emerge from the burrow in July and leave their mother in September or October. The black-footed ferret is solitary, except during the breeding season, and males apparently do not help to rear the young.
The black-footed ferret originally occurred in the Great Plains from Alberta and Saskatchewan, Canada, to Texas and Arizona, USA. It experienced a dramatic decline during the first half of the 20th century. In Canada, it has not been recorded since 1937. By the late 1970's it was thought to be extinct in both countries. In 1981, however, a colony was found in Wyoming, USA. All remaining black-footed ferrets were captured and sent to a captive breeding center. As a result of the captive breeding program, black-footed ferrets now live at seven reintroduction sites in the USA, including sites in Montana, Wyoming, Arizona, South Dakota, and along the Colorado/Utah border, as well as in Chihuahua, Mexico.
Loss of habitat is the primary reason why the black-footed ferret declined almost to extinction and why it remains severely threatened. Conversion of grasslands to agricultural uses and widespread prairie dog eradication programs have reduced ferret habitat to less than 2 percent of what once existed. Remaining habitat is now fragmented, with prairie dog towns separated by great expanses of cropland and human development. Diseases, including plague (affecting both the ferrets and their prairie dog prey) and canine distemper, as well as poisoning and shooting, also remain as potential threats.
 
Liberty Belle wrote:
And what do we need black footed ferrets for anyway?[/b]




The black-footed ferret is usually found on shortgrass and midgrass prairies in close association with prairie dogs, which constitute most of its diet. In addition to feeding on prairie dogs, the ferret lives in prairie dog colonies.





LB...why aren't you raising Blk Ftd ferrets in droves and turning them loose on the PDogs?

Seems like you do have a need for them!!!!!
 
I would be more than happy and willing to have the city sustain both these little critters. If they are as wonderful and needed as you seem to think, I can't see you not wanting them in your back yard or public park or public golf course etc. They have adapted pretty well to city life and city grass in the city of Boulder.
 
PT if you could read I was not the one touting his report it was Tony Dean in the original post of this topic, so sorry for not having it at hand as you call it.
 
After publichunter said; "why don't you ask Dan Ursek for his study, I am sure it has been published and has passed peer review."

I did just what he said, but was unable get a number to call him and was unable to find an email address for him. I then decided to write Tony Dean and ask him for a copy or see if he could answer the questions. Tony Dean emailed back and told me I would have to get a copy for Dan Ursek at Forest Service. I went back to the USFS site and did more looking and was able to find Dan Ursek and could see he had written several publications/studies. After reading several of them and not finding Tony Deans statement, I emailed Tony Dean back and asked if he could give me the name of this publication/study. He stated this statement; " the same rate of gain or slightly higher" had come from a conversation he (Tony Dean) had had with Dan Ursek some time back and that he(Tony Dean) did not have the study.

This weight gain at the same rate or slightly higher that Toney Dean stated had some very important variables. As I said before if you were to really think about what Tony Dean said, your common sense would have to ask this question; Why and what are the landowners complaining about?

If the rancher's right to use this land for grazing is taken away, my only question to you would be this; what guarantees you would have the right to use it?

A man once told me if he could have only one sound bite for interested citizens, hunters or just local residents it go something like this; "ranchers right to use federal land guarantees public access."
 
All true in print but in the real world SJ you and Iknow there was a lot of public land in Harding co that was marked no hunting in the past.
I am not after removing nor have I ever suggested removing grazing from public lands we all just need to try to realize it is the public's land and we all have or we all try to have a say in the management of it.
 
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Publichunter--All true in print but in the real world SJ you and Iknow there was a lot of public land in Harding co that was marked no hunting in the past.
I am not after removing nor have I ever suggested removing grazing from public lands we all just need to try to realize it is the public's land and we all have or we all try to have a say in the management of it.

I have live next to Federal Forest land in Harding County all my life and I have personally never seen it posted. I am not saying it hasn't been some where but I have not seen it. But if it was and you abided by it you willing did so as you had the right to bring it to the attention of the authorities and evidently you willingly chose not to.
 

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