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Question for COOLIES.

Kato said:
If it was the consumers, then why is R-Calf taking the credit? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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R-CALF was pushing it, but if you think R-CALF was solely responsible, you're weren't paying attention.
 
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
If it was the consumers, then why is R-Calf taking the credit? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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R-CALF was pushing it, but if you think R-CALF was solely responsible, you're weren't paying attention.
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The way you have been crowing about it kind of led a person to believe that R-Calf was wanting all the credit, now you're sounding like a Lib. Which one is it?
 
gcreekrch said:
Sandhusker said:
Kato said:
If it was the consumers, then why is R-Calf taking the credit? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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R-CALF was pushing it, but if you think R-CALF was solely responsible, you're weren't paying attention.
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The way you have been crowing about it kind of led a person to believe that R-Calf was wanting all the credit, now you're sounding like a Lib. Which one is it?
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I don't think you can find a post of me giving R-CALF all the credit.
 
Does Canada need to use United States slaughter facilities, or can the Canadian abattoirs cope with capacity? When the Brazilian imports to the EU were stopped over the problems with lack of controll between F+M regeons and 'clean' areas eligible for exporting, there was the potential to negotiate the sale of Canadian beef to the EU to fill the vacuum , albeit for a limited period. Getting a foot in the door is the first step towards negotiating a future regular supply to the EU, once the product has been tried by local consumers, and the quality/price has been trialed in competition with the other products available, satisfied customers will demand more of a proven product.
 
There were several small to mid-size plants built or re-opened during our BSE years. Most of them were cash strapped to begin with but all had a chance considering live cattle to carcass margin.
Tyson and Cargill managed to undercut and squash them one by one.

Tyson has now sold their facility to a Canadian family that has been their affiliate for quite some time. I don't forsee things getting better.
 
Thank you for the information, I found the following article which I found enlightening as to the history of Canadian production.
http://www.thebeefsite.com/articles/1775/unmasking-the-canadian-cattle-crisis
 
andybob said:
Thank you for the information, I found the following article which I found enlightening as to the history of Canadian production.
http://www.thebeefsite.com/articles/1775/unmasking-the-canadian-cattle-crisis
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That pretty much sums it up.
 
The Australians seem to be persuing all market options in their regeon;
http://www.thebeefsite.com/news/25592/south-africa-target-for-australian-beef

It seems you need a farming union with an agressive marketing strategy, to keep enough options open to channel beef through when there is a surplus, or as in this case, a drop in market share.
 
Sunday, December 28, 2008

MAD COW DISEASE USA DECEMBER 28, 2008 an 8 year review of a failed and flawed policy



Greetings,

I thought a quick review of the Bush's terribly flawed and failed mad cow disease policy, from the illegal feeding of literally millions and millions of pounds of highly suspect, and banned mad feed, to the failed BSE surveillance program, all of which exposed, needlessly, millions of people to the mad cow agent i.e. Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy. ...

Parentage-based DNA traceback in beef and dairy cattle 2008

http://www.ars.usda.gov/sp2UserFiles/Place/54380570/HeatonPublications/HeatonParentage-Traceback2008o.pdf


48 hour traceback for BSE mad cow disease in the USA ???

NOT in your lifetime !


8 YEARS IN REVIEW OF THE MAD COW DEBACLE IN THE USA ;


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Statement May 4, 2004 Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242 Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

Statement on Texas Cow With Central Nervous System Symptoms


snip...full text ;


http://bse-atypical.blogspot.com/2008/12/mad-cow-disease-usa-december-28-2008-8.html


TSS
 
gcreekrch said:
andybob said:
Thank you for the information, I found the following article which I found enlightening as to the history of Canadian production.
http://www.thebeefsite.com/articles/1775/unmasking-the-canadian-cattle-crisis
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That pretty much sums it up.
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In 1989, a process of rapid continental integration took place between the US and Canada. In January 1989, Canada implemented the Canada-US Free Trade Agreement. In May, Cargill opened its High River, Alberta, beef packing plant. This entry marked a dramatic acceleration in the transfer of control from a large number of Canadian-based packers and plants to just two US-based corporations that have concentrated production into a few huge plants.
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At about the same time—as part of the integration, Americanisation, and corporatisation of the Canadian cattle and beef systems—levels of captive supply in Canadian feedlots rose. Captive supply is a tactic whereby packers own or control cattle that are being fattened in feedlots in preparation for slaughter. Captive supplies give packers an option: in any given week, packers can bid on cattle from independent feeders or packers can utilize their own cattle. Captive supplies give packers significant power to push down prices of finished cattle and, thus, to push down prices of feeder cattle and calves.
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When producers lose access to the market place because there are no processors to process their cattle, all cattle become captive supply by default.

Ben says we have until 2010...it may already be too late.
If any producer wants to lay blame, start by looking in the mirror!
 
I think it all boils down to this. When I walk in to a supermarket to buy a steak, should I not have the right to know where my food comes from? When I buy clothes, or toys for my kids, they are labeled "Made in ???".
Why should food be any different? It is not the U.S. ranchers fault that consumers prefer U.S. beef over Canadian or Mexican beef. If you want your product to be superior to ours, get your BSE problems under control and produce a superior product.
 
The question is, what is a product of the U.S.?

If an animal has been through an American feedlot, then packing plant, and then processed by Americans into food items in American facilities, then why is it considered to be Canadian? The only Canadian who had anything to do with this animal is some cow out in a pasture in Saskatchewan.

Why does the place of birth make any difference to the finished product? If there is a food safety issue with this beef, then it's an issue that occurs in the U.S., not Canada.

Would you want product of U.S.A. stamped on a steak that has been through some back yard uninspected processing facility in some third world country? No. You would not. You would say, that animal's origin has nothing to do with the beef that is made from it. I should not have to take responsibility for what happens to it in processing after it crosses the border. I am using an extreme example here, but you must get the point that even if it is handled properly by your plants, it's still handled in America, so it IS American.
 
COOL Country of origin labeling. If the animal was born in Canada, it originated in Canada. I'm not trying to upset anyone here, all i'm saying is if a consumer wants to buy beef that was born and raised in the United States, they should have the right to do that. If I don't want to buy a t.v. that was made in China, I can look for one that was made some where else. It's not only a food safety issue, it's a patriotic issue, supporting an industry in your own country. I would think the people of Canada would rather support the Canadian beef industry, as they should. But I don't think its right for another country to interfere by forcing them to eat their beef through minipulation.
 
porter said:
COOL Country of origin labeling. If the animal was born in Canada, it originated in Canada. I'm not trying to upset anyone here, all i'm saying is if a consumer wants to buy beef that was born and raised in the United States, they should have the right to do that. If I don't want to buy a t.v. that was made in China, I can look for one that was made some where else. It's not only a food safety issue, it's a patriotic issue, supporting an industry in your own country. I would think the people of Canada would rather support the Canadian beef industry, as they should. But I don't think its right for another country to interfere by forcing them to eat their beef through minipulation.
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That TV may have been manufactured in China but where did all the materials needed for constructing it come from?

If by chance a certain portion of the components just happened to originate in the US or another country for that matter, shouldn't those "country (s) of origin" be listed on the label?

After all, it would be the "patriotic" thing to do wouldn't it?
 
gcreekrch said:
porter said:
COOL Country of origin labeling. If the animal was born in Canada, it originated in Canada. I'm not trying to upset anyone here, all i'm saying is if a consumer wants to buy beef that was born and raised in the United States, they should have the right to do that. If I don't want to buy a t.v. that was made in China, I can look for one that was made some where else. It's not only a food safety issue, it's a patriotic issue, supporting an industry in your own country. I would think the people of Canada would rather support the Canadian beef industry, as they should. But I don't think its right for another country to interfere by forcing them to eat their beef through minipulation.
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That TV may have been manufactured in China but where did all the materials needed for constructing it come from?

If by chance a certain portion of the components just happened to originate in the US or another country for that matter, shouldn't those "country (s) of origin" be listed on the label?

After all, it would be the "patriotic" thing to do wouldn't it?
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Most folks don't eat TVs! :o :shock: :wink:
 

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