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R-CALF Runs Ad in the "Washington Post"

TimH said:
Quote from the article above- "Now, Dr. Stanley B. Prusiner and colleagues from the University of California at San Francisco report that, in mice at least, high levels of prions can accumulate in muscles, too."

If I ever get a craving to eat some RODENT meat, I will be sure it didn't come from an animal that has had BSE INJECTED DIRECTLY INTO IT'S BRAIN and I will demand that it has been tested using a test that Dr. Prusiner's company sells!!!!! :roll:

If there is any research that has EVER found BSE prions in the muscle tissue of BOVINES I would certainly like to see it.
And furthermore,as far as I know, researchers have NEVER managed to infect a bovine with BSE by FEEDING it to them.NEVER!!! They have only ever managed to infect them,in the lab, by INJECTING BSE SERUM DIRECTLY INTO THE BRAIN.
Once again, if their is research to the contrary, I would like to see it!! :mad:
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Wrong! It only takes one gram too!

http://project.jica.go.jp/mexico/2451084E0/english/info/pdf/050119.pdf
 
Can we please remember that in all the beef consumers in all the world only 150 people have actually been found to have contracted this disease and just maybe there were other factors that caused them to have contracted it. If eating beef is so risky then why haven't more people contracted this disease?

Now, Dr. Stanley B. Prusiner and colleagues from the University of California at San Francisco report that, in mice at least, high levels of prions can accumulate in muscles, too.
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I don't plan on eating any of the test animals that have had BSE injected directly into their brain and under no circumstance will I eat mice!!!!! and I don't think any one else will either so why are they doing that.

The scienist inject BSE directly into the brains of mice to see if there is BSE prions in the meat. who the he** cares if BSE is in the muscle of a mouse The world has plenty of BSE positive cattle just look around. I'm sure the UK has a few they can spare in the name of SCIENCE. Examine that muscles meat to see if there is prions present, then we would know. :x Why keep us all on the edge of our seat fearing to eat another bite of beef while they examine mice when they should be examining the cattle.
 
From page 3 of the link that Mike posted........

"The BSE is thought to have originated in dairy cows that were given feed
contaminated with scrapie when they were calves. These infected cows were later recycled
and fed to other cows, which resulted in the rapid spread of BSE. However, this is only a
supposition because no abnormal prion has yet been identified in scrapie that matches the
abnormal prion in BSE. Whatever its origin, what is certain is that the disease was
propagated from cow to cow by recycling infected cattle and feeding the meat and bone
meal contaminated with pathogenic material to other cattle.
Meat and bone meal is made from rendering cattle carcasses. The rendering
temperature is high enough to kill bacteria and viruses, but leaves the abnormal prions
causing BSE unharmed. Moreover, since hundreds of cattle carcasses are rendered together,
if even one cow is infected it will contaminate the whole batch. Since there is no species
barrier restraining transmission, the minimum amount of contagious material needed for
BSE to be transmitted from meat and bone meal to other cattle is less than 1 gram of brain
tissue. This point is very important. Initially, it was thought that large quantities of
contaminated feed had to be consumed for BSE to be transmitted."

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Let's just ignore this glaring contradiction......."However, this is only a
SUPPOSITION because no abnormal prion has yet been identified in scrapie that matches the
abnormal prion in BSE. Whatever its origin, what is CERTAIN is that the disease was
propagated from cow to cow by recycling infected cattle and feeding the meat and bone
meal contaminated with pathogenic material to other cattle."

Where is the published,peer reviewed scientific study that backs up the author's CLAIM......"Since there is no species
barrier restraining transmission, the minimum amount of contagious material needed for
BSE to be transmitted from meat and bone meal to other cattle is less than 1 gram of brain
tissue." ??????????

If any such valid evidence exists I would suggest that R-calf and Dr.Prusiner,among others, would be shouting it from the hilltops. LOUDLY!!! They aren't because they can't find it either. It is that simple.
 
I guess we shouldn't worry about the feed ban if you don't think it can be transmitted by feed. Maybe we should be feeding plenty of copper.
 
Mike- "I guess we shouldn't worry about the feed ban if you don't think it can be transmitted by feed. Maybe we should be feeding plenty of copper."

What does what I think have to do with it??
I'm only trying to point out that,to the best of my knowledge, scientists have been unsuccessful in attempting to infect a bovine by FEEDING it BSE material. The only REPEATABLE result they have obtained,thus far, is that cattle are NOT infected through feed.
Once again, show me a VALID scientific study in which a bovine has been infected by FEEDING it BSE material!!!!!
If such evidence exists, not only should it be easy to find, we would not be seeing all the standard disclaimers,such as "it is believed, may be, etc. etc," in virtually every article written on the subject.

Like I said before, if there was scientific evidence that BSE was DEFINITELY spread through feed, or that prions were present in BOVINE muscle tissue, Dr. Prusiner, or others, would say so. They haven't.
 
Mike, Thanks for the link. Lots of reading there!!!
Perhaps you could copy and paste the part where the authors of this UK government inquiry quote the scientific study they used to draw their conclusions. You know, the study where they fed 1 gram of infected MBM to an animal and it developed BSE. I can't seem to find it.
 
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bva/vet/2003/00000152/00000013/art01528;jsessionid=2dab63seua46i.henrietta

Here's an abstract from one study concerning oral transmission but I'll be damned if I'll pay for it. LOL $21.95 :wink:
 

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