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R-CALF USA Talking Points Regarding USDA's OTM Import Rule



1. The U.S. should not give additional access to the U.S. market until the U.S. fully regains the share of the global export market it has lost since 2003.



Allowing over 30-month (OTM) Canadian cattle and beef into the U.S. will further harm the United States' ability to fully restore lost export markets. After three years of allowing access to the U.S. market, by a country where BSE is known to have circulated years after implementation of a feed ban, the U.S. market share of the global beef market has fallen from 18 percent in 2003 to an estimated 7 percent in 2006. The export markets that have reopened have imposed stricter conditions on U.S. beef exports than what the U.S. requires on Canadian imports, and several export markets continue to ban U.S. exports that contain beef from Canadian cattle.



2. The U.S. should not further relax its already lenient import standards until it can be scientifically documented that BSE is no longer circulating in Canadian feed or in OTM Canadian cattle and there is international acceptance for such a conclusion.



The full magnitude of Canada's BSE epidemic is still unfolding, but it is already much greater than what USDA has asserted and assumed. Canada has now detected 9 cases of BSE in Canadian-born cattle, 4 of which were born after Canada implemented its feed ban and three of these were born years after the feed ban, providing evidence that Canada's feed ban was not effective in preventing the spread of BSE in either its feed system or cattle herd.



3. The U.S. should not allow the importation of OTM cattle or beef, which are known to be of higher risk for transmitting BSE, particularly now that the disease is known to have been circulating in animals born years after the Canadian feed ban.



Cattle over 30 months of age that originate in a BSE-affected country have an inherently higher risk for transmitting BSE. As recently as January 2005, the USDA stated that the two most important factors in determining risk were the age of the cattle and the effect of the feed ban. Now that the feed ban is known to be ineffective, the 30-month age limit remains as the most important factor in minimizing the risk of introducing BSE into the U.S. from Canada.



4.The U.S. should not allow OTM cattle or beef from Canada until both the U.S. and Canada have significantly strengthened their respective feed bans and sufficient time has lapsed to ascertain the effectiveness of any feed ban improvements. Given the known breeches in Canada's feed ban, Canada must significantly ramp-up its BSE testing so that the effectiveness of its feed ban can be more accurately monitored.





As previously recognized by the Food and Drug Administration, and as recognized by international BSE experts, current BSE mitigation measures are inadequate to address the increased risk associated with OTM cattle and beef from Canada. The Food and Drug Administration, the Canadian Food Inspection Service, and International BSE experts all have acknowledged the need to strengthen the feed bans implemented in both the U.S. and Canada to prevent the spread of BSE. However, neither country has yet implemented improvements to their respective feed bans.



5.The U.S. should not allow OTM Canadian cattle or beef into the U.S. until it additionally obtains firm assurances from all U.S. beef export markets and the OIE that the United States' BSE risk profile would not be downgraded to Canada's level if Canadian OTM cattle and beef are allowed into the U.S. market and available for export.



Allowing OTM Canadian cattle and beef into the United States will immediately harm the United States' international disease risk profile. The United States has a more favorable BSE risk profile than Canada. Canada cannot possibly meet the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) standard for a country with a negligible BSE risk, which requires that the youngest BSE case must be born more than 11 years ago. However, because the U.S. has only detected BSE in two native animals, both born well before the feed ban and the youngest estimated to be 10 years of age on February 28, 2006, the U.S. will likely meet the international standard to be considered a negligible BSE risk if it does not mix Canadian cattle and beef with U.S. cattle and beef.



6. The U.S. should not allow OTM Canadian cattle or beef into the U.S. until the U.S. additionally implements country-of-origin labeling to mitigate the financial harm that will inevitably befall U.S. cattle producers and that will likely be more severe than what USDA will predict.



The financial losses to U.S. cattle producers will likely be severe if the United States allows OTM Canadian cattle and beef into the U.S. market while most export markets remain closed. The USDA grossly underestimated the negative financial impact that actually occurred to U.S. cattle producers following the 2005 resumption of Canadian cattle imports. The USDA underestimated the price decline that U.S. producers experienced in the domestic fed cattle market by a factor of nearly three. Domestic fed cattle prices, that USDA predicted would fall by as much as $6.05 per cwt., actually fell $17.40 per cwt. during the 5-month period December 2005 through May 2006. As a minimum, mandatory country-of-origin labeling must be implemented in the United States so both domestic and international consumers can differentiate beef produced exclusively from U.S. cattle from beef produced from Canadian cattle before any further relaxation of current U.S. import standards is considered.
 
Haymaker- I believe if things don't happen pretty swiftly with the USDA investigation of the Canadian cattle in SD- and if Canada continues to refuse to recognize the US border ban as a health quarantine- and continues to refuse to investigate these cattle and their movement on the Canadian side-- I would have to add a Point 7....

The Canadian refusal to assist already throws a big question into the Canadians committment to recognize or honor the US border quarantine and the whole workability of the Rule 2....

We shouldn't be going into any agreement that could get tied down in playing international word games, semantics, and definitions every time we have an issue or ask for assistance....
 
Oldtimer said:
Haymaker- I believe if things don't happen pretty swiftly with the USDA investigation of the Canadian cattle in SD- and if Canada continues to refuse to recognize the US border ban as a health quarantine- and continues to refuse to investigate these cattle and their movement on the Canadian side-- I would have to add a Point 7....

The Canadian refusal to assist already throws a big question into the Canadians committment to recognize or honor the US border quarantine and the whole workability of the Rule 2....

We shouldn't be going into any agreement that could get tied down in playing international word games, semantics, and definitions every time we have an issue or ask for assistance....

Maybe some one will explain why they are refusing to cooperate.............just dont make any sense,the longer this sits,the longer it smells.................good luck
 
hm: the longer this sits,the longer it smells

maybe the reason this is sitting and smelling is because there is no cooperation in sd from the guys who owned these cattle. obviously the last two owners can be traced and with the help of ot they should be able to trace these cattle back to sperm. chances are the crook is on your side of the line. the vet says no health issue so find the guy who was too stupid to cut out canadian tags and you might get somewhere.
 
don said:
hm: the longer this sits,the longer it smells

maybe the reason this is sitting and smelling is because there is no cooperation in sd from the guys who owned these cattle. obviously the last two owners can be traced and with the help of ot they should be able to trace these cattle back to sperm. chances are the crook is on your side of the line. the vet says no health issue so find the guy who was too stupid to cut out canadian tags and you might get somewhere.

Well it would seem to me with Canada's super sonic ID system,we could just give canada the tags/numbers,and go straight to the source,who owned them and why and how they made their way across the border,then take appropriate action ?.................good luck
 
HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
Haymaker- I believe if things don't happen pretty swiftly with the USDA investigation of the Canadian cattle in SD- and if Canada continues to refuse to recognize the US border ban as a health quarantine- and continues to refuse to investigate these cattle and their movement on the Canadian side-- I would have to add a Point 7....

The Canadian refusal to assist already throws a big question into the Canadians committment to recognize or honor the US border quarantine and the whole workability of the Rule 2....

We shouldn't be going into any agreement that could get tied down in playing international word games, semantics, and definitions every time we have an issue or ask for assistance....

Maybe some one will explain why they are refusing to cooperate.............just dont make any sense,the longer this sits,the longer it smells.................good luck

Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

Hint: What Elmo, Bubba, or Billy-Jo-Sam-Bob said in the bar or at the gas station doesn't count.
 
Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
Haymaker- I believe if things don't happen pretty swiftly with the USDA investigation of the Canadian cattle in SD- and if Canada continues to refuse to recognize the US border ban as a health quarantine- and continues to refuse to investigate these cattle and their movement on the Canadian side-- I would have to add a Point 7....

The Canadian refusal to assist already throws a big question into the Canadians committment to recognize or honor the US border quarantine and the whole workability of the Rule 2....

We shouldn't be going into any agreement that could get tied down in playing international word games, semantics, and definitions every time we have an issue or ask for assistance....

Maybe some one will explain why they are refusing to cooperate.............just dont make any sense,the longer this sits,the longer it smells.................good luck

Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

Hint: What Elmo, Bubba, or Billy-Jo-Sam-Bob said in the bar or at the gas station doesn't count.

If you would keep up Dumbo..........the source has already been posted.............good luck

PS I admitt she is'nt the most truthful canucklehead posting here but in this instance,she is all we got :wink:
 
would you want the american govt handing information over to a foreign govt if there was no health issue and nobody was at risk?? you don't even want traceback for american use. i'm sure cfia knows when and where those tags were bought and by whom (unless they were stolen). think about how those cattle could wind up down there: a) a canadian smuggles them across for the higher prices but then those tags would have disappeared before they hit the border; b) an american steals them and smuggles them across; c) an american buys them and smuggles them across with or without the aid of american border guards (consider that homeland security); or d) an american who wants to screw with usda gets hold of some canadian tags, sticks them on american cattle and creates a ruckus of 'canadian' cattle evading the system. why don't you trace these cattle back to the border (determine if they really are canadian) - you've got super sleuth out of montana who could probably do it over the phone - and it won't matter where in canada they came from because there is no health issue as the vet said. the longer this goes on the more trouble they are having tracing those cattle back to the border.
 
...i guess this proves one thing the sheriff in s.d. must be related to someone from montana... following the lead back from the packing plant must be difficult :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: you can understand now how they never find osama...
 
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
Maybe some one will explain why they are refusing to cooperate.............just dont make any sense,the longer this sits,the longer it smells.................good luck

Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

Hint: What Elmo, Bubba, or Billy-Jo-Sam-Bob said in the bar or at the gas station doesn't count.

If you would keep up Dumbo..........the source has already been posted.............good luck

PS I admitt she is'nt the most truthful canucklehead posting here but in this instance,she is all we got :wink:

Show us the media source that said Canada has refused to co-operate with USDA on any of their requests regarding this R-Klan scam.
 
Illegal Canadian cattle discovered in U.S.


Friday, January 12, 2007 12:18 PM CST




The South Dakota Stockgrowers Association (SDSGA) hopes USDA will take the necessary steps to remedy a loss of revenue for a South Dakota producer who unknowingly purchased Canadian feeder cattle, says SDSGA President Rick Fox.

An independent South Dakota feeder was under the impression, in November of 2006, that he had delivered U.S. cattle to a slaughter plant in Nebraska, but found out differently when the packing plant denied him payment on seven head of the fat cattle, says Fox.

"He bought calves in South Dakota, and fed them at home in his feedlot like he always does, so he was pretty surprised when he got a call from the packing plant telling them that seven head out of the load had been condemned because they were of Canadian origin," Fox said. "The offal on the entire load was also condemned, which meant another substantial loss in income. He did not realize that the cattle were from Canada - he had purchased them assuming that they were domestic cattle." Even though Canadian eartags were identified in the calves, the cattle have not been traced back to any particular farm or ranch in Canada.

"Bureaucrats in Washington tell us that the U.S. cattle industry needs an individual animal ID program to allow for fast traceback, but the Stockgrowers believe that tracking of imported cattle should be a higher priority," Fox said. "Unfortunately, it appears that USDA is not keeping track of the cattle being imported from Canada - under USDA's rules, these calves should never have been allowed to be sold in a South Dakota auction market. The Canadian officials apparently haven't been able to trace back the movements and origin of the calves, despite the official Canadian tags found in their ears." Fox said that USDA implemented a rule in 2005 to allow the importation of Canadian feeder cattle under 30 months of age, but only under very strict conditions.





"The cattle are supposed to enter the U.S. in sealed trucks and be transported directly to an identified feedlot. They are then to remain in the identified feedlot until they are hauled to a slaughter plant in a sealed truck," he said. "The fact that these calves showed up at a salebarn in South Dakota, were allowed to intermingle with U.S. cattle, and were not represented as Canadian cattle, indicates that USDA is not monitoring the very system it created.

"USDA's mistake has really hit close to home - it has cost a South Dakota producer immensely. The Stockgrowers will keep working with him in hopes of recovering his lost income and preventing this problem from happening again," he added.



Fox said that the Stockgrowers have sent a letter to USDA with three requests: 1) a full update regarding the progress of the investigation; 2) an explanation as to the non-compliance that allowed the mistake and; 3) indemnification for the feeder's financial loss.

The South Dakota feeder hopes to recover his lost income and will be cautious about purchasing calves in the future. He also hopes USDA's investigation will soon reveal whether this was an isolated case, or if herd mates or other calves entered the U.S. and were sold and co-mingled illegally.

Fox agrees. "It's tough to believe that there aren't more calves that crossed the border with these." According to Fox, USDA has now proposed a further relaxation of import regulations to allow cattle from Canada that are over 30 months of age.

"It is ludicrous that USDA would even consider relaxing the very import rules that they are already having difficulty policing," he said. "Before they even think about allowing older Canadian cattle to be imported, I hope they can figure out a monitoring system that works." Fox said that SDSGA remains in opposition of the original rule to allow "under 30 month" cattle to be imported from Canada, as well as the proposed rule to allow importation of cattle over 30 months.

"Canada has a BSE problem, plain and simple. USDA has placed U.S. producers and the entire industry at risk by allowing Canadian cattle to enter the country; they have further jeopardized our operations by not enforcing their import rules," he said. "The thought of relaxing the import regulations now to allow 'over 30 month' Canadian cattle to be imported is absolutely irresponsible."

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well if it's so straightforward and simple and everybody down there is so innocent i expect you'll have them traced to the border in no time at all. good luck.
p.s. all you did was cut and paste the same old crap from eleven days ago. nothing developed since then???
 
don said:
well if it's so straightforward and simple and everybody down there is so innocent i expect you'll have them traced to the border in no time at all. good luck.
p.s. all you did was cut and paste the same old crap from eleven days ago. nothing developed since then???

Yes,eleven days of Canada doing nothing, as usual to protect their industry standards,they should have jumped on this with all four feet,had it resolved and forgotten by now................good luck
PS keep in mind who's interest is most at stake here.
 
Bill said:
HAY MAKER said:
Bill said:
Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

Hint: What Elmo, Bubba, or Billy-Jo-Sam-Bob said in the bar or at the gas station doesn't count.

If you would keep up Dumbo..........the source has already been posted.............good luck

PS I admitt she is'nt the most truthful canucklehead posting here but in this instance,she is all we got :wink:

Show us the media source that said Canada has refused to co-operate with USDA on any of their requests regarding this R-Klan scam.

Same ole Bill Bull,you show me where canada is trying hard for their cattle producers to get this resolved,the USA is not always gonna look after you,at some point you are going to hafta realize you are the one's that have a vested interest in the USA market place and do what ever it takes to protect it,I personally think the canadian cattle man needs to get better representation,most of your cattle org's are packer influenced...................good luck
 
Bill said:
Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

.

Bill- Are all Canadians selective readers....Did you miss this post of Tams- or do you just have selective memory-eh?

However the packer was the first to put a request into the CCIA but they didn't have any authority to do so. As did the USDA but they don't have the authority to do so either. The USDA was told that CFIA could access the information ONLY IF THERE WAS A HEALTH ISSUE.

She said she checked on it when she was in Regina-- or are you now saying Tam is not to be believed either :???: You sound like you may be related to the Canuck on cattletoday that keeps calling Miss Tam a liar... :wink: :lol:
 
HAY MAKER said:
Illegal Canadian cattle discovered in U.S.


Friday, January 12, 2007 12:18 PM CST




The South Dakota Stockgrowers Association (SDSGA) hopes USDA will take the necessary steps to remedy a loss of revenue for a South Dakota producer who unknowingly purchased Canadian feeder cattle, says SDSGA President Rick Fox.

An independent South Dakota feeder was under the impression, in November of 2006, that he had delivered U.S. cattle to a slaughter plant in Nebraska, but found out differently when the packing plant denied him payment on seven head of the fat cattle, says Fox.

"He bought calves in South Dakota, and fed them at home in his feedlot like he always does, so he was pretty surprised when he got a call from the packing plant telling them that seven head out of the load had been condemned because they were of Canadian origin," Fox said. "The offal on the entire load was also condemned, which meant another substantial loss in income. He did not realize that the cattle were from Canada - he had purchased them assuming that they were domestic cattle." Even though Canadian eartags were identified in the calves, the cattle have not been traced back to any particular farm or ranch in Canada.

"Bureaucrats in Washington tell us that the U.S. cattle industry needs an individual animal ID program to allow for fast traceback, but the Stockgrowers believe that tracking of imported cattle should be a higher priority," Fox said. "Unfortunately, it appears that USDA is not keeping track of the cattle being imported from Canada - under USDA's rules, these calves should never have been allowed to be sold in a South Dakota auction market. The Canadian officials apparently haven't been able to trace back the movements and origin of the calves, despite the official Canadian tags found in their ears." Fox said that USDA implemented a rule in 2005 to allow the importation of Canadian feeder cattle under 30 months of age, but only under very strict conditions.





"The cattle are supposed to enter the U.S. in sealed trucks and be transported directly to an identified feedlot. They are then to remain in the identified feedlot until they are hauled to a slaughter plant in a sealed truck," he said. "The fact that these calves showed up at a salebarn in South Dakota, were allowed to intermingle with U.S. cattle, and were not represented as Canadian cattle, indicates that USDA is not monitoring the very system it created.

"USDA's mistake has really hit close to home - it has cost a South Dakota producer immensely. The Stockgrowers will keep working with him in hopes of recovering his lost income and preventing this problem from happening again," he added.



Fox said that the Stockgrowers have sent a letter to USDA with three requests: 1) a full update regarding the progress of the investigation; 2) an explanation as to the non-compliance that allowed the mistake and; 3) indemnification for the feeder's financial loss.

The South Dakota feeder hopes to recover his lost income and will be cautious about purchasing calves in the future. He also hopes USDA's investigation will soon reveal whether this was an isolated case, or if herd mates or other calves entered the U.S. and were sold and co-mingled illegally.

Fox agrees. "It's tough to believe that there aren't more calves that crossed the border with these." According to Fox, USDA has now proposed a further relaxation of import regulations to allow cattle from Canada that are over 30 months of age.

"It is ludicrous that USDA would even consider relaxing the very import rules that they are already having difficulty policing," he said. "Before they even think about allowing older Canadian cattle to be imported, I hope they can figure out a monitoring system that works." Fox said that SDSGA remains in opposition of the original rule to allow "under 30 month" cattle to be imported from Canada, as well as the proposed rule to allow importation of cattle over 30 months.

"Canada has a BSE problem, plain and simple. USDA has placed U.S. producers and the entire industry at risk by allowing Canadian cattle to enter the country; they have further jeopardized our operations by not enforcing their import rules," he said. "The thought of relaxing the import regulations now to allow 'over 30 month' Canadian cattle to be imported is absolutely irresponsible."

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That's it and you say Try keep up???????? and you post the one and only blurb on this incident that is eleven days old?

Rick Fox who is also on the outside looking in (or is he part of it) and saying:
"The Canadian officials apparently haven't been able to trace back the movements and origin of the calves,"
doesn't quite cut it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

.

Bill- Are all Canadians selective readers....Did you miss this post of Tams- or do you just have selective memory-eh?

However the packer was the first to put a request into the CCIA but they didn't have any authority to do so. As did the USDA but they don't have the authority to do so either. The USDA was told that CFIA could access the information ONLY IF THERE WAS A HEALTH ISSUE.

She said she checked on it when she was in Regina-- or are you now saying Tam is not to be believed either :???: You sound like you may be related to the Canuck on cattletoday that keeps calling Miss Tam a liar... :wink: :lol:

If 7 contraband steers coming into the USA illegally from a country that is under quarantine doe'nt constitute a health issuse,what does.............good luck
PS like elmo said this morning .wonder how many OTM's were in the bunch ?
 
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

.

Bill- Are all Canadians selective readers....Did you miss this post of Tams- or do you just have selective memory-eh?

However the packer was the first to put a request into the CCIA but they didn't have any authority to do so. As did the USDA but they don't have the authority to do so either. The USDA was told that CFIA could access the information ONLY IF THERE WAS A HEALTH ISSUE.

She said she checked on it when she was in Regina-- or are you now saying Tam is not to be believed either :???: You sound like you may be related to the Canuck on cattletoday that keeps calling Miss Tam a liar... :wink: :lol:

Nope I don't post on Cattle Today but I sure find it enjoyable to see the other Americans who also see through your R-Klan BS and aren't afraid to point it out to you.
 
HAY MAKER said:
Oldtimer said:
Bill said:
Maybe while the two of you R=Klowns are sitting there stroking each other you could find the time to post your source that says Canadians aren't co-operating with whatever request may have been made by US authorities.

.

Bill- Are all Canadians selective readers....Did you miss this post of Tams- or do you just have selective memory-eh?

However the packer was the first to put a request into the CCIA but they didn't have any authority to do so. As did the USDA but they don't have the authority to do so either. The USDA was told that CFIA could access the information ONLY IF THERE WAS A HEALTH ISSUE.

She said she checked on it when she was in Regina-- or are you now saying Tam is not to be believed either :???: You sound like you may be related to the Canuck on cattletoday that keeps calling Miss Tam a liar... :wink: :lol:

If 7 contraband steers coming into the USA illegally from a country that is under quarantine doe'nt constitute a health issuse,what does.............good luck
PS like elmo said this morning .wonder how many OTM's were in the bunch ?

Same reasons the US is building the new Port "forts" on the 49th- increasing Border Patrol 10 fold- putting up spy in the sky planes and predators- building a whole new immigration air force at Great Falls- and is electronically wiring the border...Because Canada again refuses to hold up their end of the deal...They seem to not take anything serious....

There is not a Judge in the country that would not recognize that the Border rule/quarantine was put on because of a health issue-- and that this is a continuing issue since it is part of that quarantine violation- and could be for years to come since it is a still happening situation......
 

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