Rancher's Beef - Insolvent, is anyone really surprised

[Ben Roberts]

My first appearance on Ranchers.net was in 2001. I then tried to bring some knowledge and history of the cattle industry that is being controlled by the multi-national packers, and what we as cattle producers, could do to stop this slide into becoming no more than employes for them.

Does it really surprise any of you that Rancher's Beef is now insolvent? How many of you producers, have ever been in the meat packing business? I have, and i've tried to explain to you that the last thing, we as producers want to do, is own brick and mortar. The multi-national corporations love those that try. The theory of producers owning meat packing plants has been around for years and everyone that has started has failed.

Those of you that have grabed onto the concept of R-Calf, and other organizations like them, have also failed in the past and will in the future. Governments are not interested in governing the multi-national corporations. That theroy has also failed everytime in the past.

Until, the cattle producers, of the United States and Canada decide to organize and work together, to take back the control of our cattle industry, we will only continue on that down hill slide.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Mike]

You got 'em by the Gonads Ben.

Don't let go.

Your plan is the only one that will work. The ONLY one!

One small problem.

Cattlemen will NEVER stick together on anything....... :???:

 

[Sandhusker]

Too many cattlemen are being told by those they trust (NCBA) that there is no problem.

 

[Ben Roberts]

First, lets look at the arena we are playing in, and the teams we are playing against.

The arena we now play in, is the WORLD ARENA, I never wanted to play here, but the WTO has built this arena for the multi-national corporations, we eather play in it, or play for those that do!

The Cattle Industry Leagues.

Multi-Nationals--------------------------------------- Cattle Producers
Teams-------------------------------------------------- Teams

USDA---------------------------------- US Cattle Producers
AMI--------------------------- Canadian Cattle Producers
NCBA
NAFTA
R-CALF
NFU
CFTA
CFTC
EFTA
EU
FAS
FMIA
FTAA
GATT
GIPSA
URAA


A little unbalanced don't you think, All of these multi-national teams depend on us (the agriculture producers) for there income. It's no wonder there is nothing left over for us or the next generation.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Ben Roberts]

Cattlemen will NEVER stick together on anything....... :???:

Not until the eleventh hour (2010/2012, then it will be too late!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Ben Roberts]

Too many cattlemen are being told by those they trust (NCBA) that there is no problem.

NCBA, they only have a membership of 27,000, at one time they had more. How many cattle producers are there in the US and Canada?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Sandhusker]

Too many cattlemen are being told by those they trust (NCBA) that there is no problem.

NCBA, they only have a membership of 27,000, at one time they had more. How many cattle producers are there in the US and Canada?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Those 27,000 people are joiners. R-CALF people are joiners. Most cattlemen obviously aren't joiners.

 

[PPRM]

Back to Bens topic, LOL.....

Ben, too many think that people shold buy thier products just because they make it...Way too many and that is what trips them up selling meat....There are some success stories as far as ranchers selling thier Beef, but none of them I can think of with owning the plants themselves....Unless, does Harris in Northern California do thier Own? I dunno,


It seems like the corporate mentality in this country always tends towad forgetting what they are making.......How about selling good meat instead of focusing on salvaging bad meat with CO 2? I sell frozen meat dry aged for 21 days and never have complaints.......The market is there for those that want to do things right,

PPRM

 

[Anonymous]

First, lets look at the arena we are playing in, and the teams we are playing against.

The arena we now play in, is the WORLD ARENA, I never wanted to play here, but the WTO has built this arena for the multi-national corporations, we eather play in it, or play for those that do!

The Cattle Industry Leagues.

Multi-Nationals--------------------------------------- Cattle Producers
Teams-------------------------------------------------- Teams

USDA---------------------------------- US Cattle Producers
AMI--------------------------- Canadian Cattle Producers
NCBA
NAFTA
R-CALF
NFU
CFTA
CFTC
EFTA
EU
FAS
FMIA
FTAA
GATT
GIPSA
URAA


A little unbalanced don't you think, All of these multi-national teams depend on us (the agriculture producers) for there income. It's no wonder there is nothing left over for us or the next generation.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

I agree Ben--long before you showed up on here, I told the Canadian producers that their Canadian plants were just a bunch of wish in one hand - sh*t in the other...That without a major producer backing- like BIG C was promoting- and major change in the politics/government rules/laws -- that these multinationals were just going to swallow them up....

And I was chastised royally then for being a "Canuck hater"-- but my feeling is that most of them keep looking thru rose colored glasses-wishing for pre 2003 BSE days, (which will never exist again) and won't listen to the Randy Kaisers and Cams of the world-- since thats NOT what they what they want to hear....Instead they continually buy the same ol B.S that the Packer/AMI/Multinationalists story the NCBA's ABP's, CCA's, SSGA's etal put out about the US, US cattlemen, R-CALF, USCA being the "infidels" that must be defeated....

Personally- I think its going to take a major reformation in both government and producers before we can beat the power these multinationals have obtained-- and as long as Canadians figure their product can't stand on its own-and that they are owed a free ride on the US producers reputation- that will be hard to obtain--as the multinationals will continue to use it back and forth against us......

 

[Ben Roberts]

Back to Bens topic, LOL.....

Ben, too many think that people shold buy thier products just because they make it...Way too many and that is what trips them up selling meat....There are some success stories as far as ranchers selling thier Beef, but none of them I can think of with owning the plants themselves....Unless, does Harris in Northern California do thier Own? I dunno,


It seems like the corporate mentality in this country always tends towad forgetting what they are making.......How about selling good meat instead of focusing on salvaging bad meat with CO 2? I sell frozen meat dry aged for 21 days and never have complaints.......The market is there for those that want to do things right,

PPRM

PPRM, I agree with you on most of what you say. My future in the cattle business is very bright, because, I bring to the market place a high quality product that consumers can't get through commodity beef sources. I process my own cattle in my own facility, but have to market them by hanging weight. What you and I do will only work for the cattle industry, by organizing into one group nation-wide to be able to consume the supply, the cattle industry, creates in this country. The cattle producers in this country and in Canada, first, must take back the control of our industry, then we can change the way we market beef to the consumer. The cattle industry would benefit with better consumer acceptance and the consumer would benefit greatly, from a higher quality product.

Harris Ranch does maintain a cow herd, although the largest percentage of their high end cattle are purchased on the commodity market.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Anonymous]

I agree Ben--long before you showed up on here, I told the Canadian producers that their Canadian plants were just a bunch of wish in one hand - sh*t in the other...That without a major producer backing- like BIG C was promoting- and major change in the politics/government rules/laws -- that these multinationals were just going to swallow them up....

And I was chastised royally then for being a "Canuck hater"-- but my feeling is that most of them keep looking thru rose colored glasses-wishing for pre 2003 BSE days, (which will never exist again) and won't listen to the Randy Kaisers and Cams of the world-- since thats NOT what they what they want to hear....Instead they continually buy the same ol B.S that the Packer/AMI/Multinationalists story the NCBA's ABP's, CCA's, SSGA's etal put out about the US, US cattlemen, R-CALF, USCA being the "infidels" that must be defeated....

Personally- I think its going to take a major reformation in both government and producers before we can beat the power these multinationals have obtained-- and as long as Canadians figure their product can't stand on its own-and that they are owed a free ride on the US producers reputation- that will be hard to obtain--as the multinationals will continue to use it back and forth against us......[/quote]

Ben

Oldtimer, you never cease to amaze me with your post. I really want to believe that you care, then you start the slaming of the Canadian cattle producers. I don't know where you ever came up with the idea that Canadian beef could not make it on its own merit,( R-CALF no doubt) look back through the history of the beef industry, and then tell me about reputations.

Simple Ben-- Not slamming-- just not looking thru rose colored PC glasses... Canadians are all scared sh*tless to sell Canadian Beef- marked Product of Canada-- or the CCA and boys wouldn't be buying on to the AMI's idea to fight M-COOL (which keeps them in the generic meat business)- and the labeling of meat/beef of the country/countries the product was in to the US consumer- that 90+% are asking for...They prefer/believe they have to use FRAUD and DECEPTION in order to sell their cattle/beef...That right there tells me something about what they think the reputation of their beef must be now.... And Ben I know the old reputation of Canadian beef-- but that all changed when the Canucks decided that there were two seperate herds-- US and Canadian on the road north-- but that it should all be one (US) on the road south....

Now that they peed in their pot-- they need to find the window to throw it out of-- because folks no longer buy the North American herd/cattle BS......

Like I told MRJ-- few city folk want to know the ranch of origin- few even know any ranch's that exist (They'd probably only be able to name you King Ranch and the Ponderosa :roll: )-- but they do know the difference in the countries- USA, Canada, China, Brazil, Mexico-- and thats what they want-- so thats what we should be giving them....

Unless you're taking the arrogant elitist stand of the NCBA-- "them thar dum fok can eat what we put in front of them- and like it too"--Eh Ben :lol: :lol:

Ben

And why shouldn't the Canadian beef get a free ride in the US market place, we don't produce enough cattle to meet our demand, and Canada is the only country that has the ability to help the US producers in the world market, or would you rather see Brazil and Argintina, getting a free ride!

Should we give Mexico a free ride too?-as a part of NAFTA they would qualify :shock: :roll: - this is one of the nations that US consumers trust way less than Canada ( which some distrust because of the Mad Cow of the month announcement)-- and if we do that- and do nothing about correct labeling of our meat/beef you've just opened the door to Brazil/Argentina/China/Timbuktu to pass off anything they want as US product too-- all at the increased profit of the multinationals .... :roll:

Nope-- nows the time...Get some true labeling laws... Let each product stand on its own-- labeled with Country of Origin .....

Best Regards
Ben Roberts