Ranchers Beef - the Plot Thickens. Or Sould that be Sickens?

[HAY MAKER]

Globalization,is killing off small town America,some of us will fight it with our last breath..................good luck

 

[Tex]

Globalization,is killing off small town America,some of us will fight it with our last breath..................good luck

If you happened to have been one of the pets that ate the melamine tainted feed or one who ate the ecoli tainted beef, your "with our last breath" may have been truer than you wanted.

 

[RobertMac]

Got any suggestions as to what we should try next???? Something more constructive than criticism and finger pointing???

Kato, since the global demand in the developing world, will double by 2020 from 1995 for protein meats.
poultry....up 85%
beef........up 80%
pork........up 45%

And with our (beef cow) numbers world wide at 224 million head, with China having 29%, Brazil at 23% and the United States at 15% of that total. It would only put the producers in the United States and Canada in a stronger marketing position if we could combine our cattle numbers.

With producer organizations in both countries with their heads in the sand and a protectionist attitude, fighting over border issues, instead of working together on issues that would save our industry, in both countries for us, and future generations. I don't see, the United States or Canada, playing a part in that growing demand.

So, I would say to you and other Canadian cattle producers, call Randy Kaiser. Work together, in developing a small niche market away from commodity beef, and build your own future for yourself, and for future generations.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Ben, we are sitting on the golden egg of beef markets...why, as an industry, are we looking for another golden egg to save our beef industry? What would a ten pound per capita increase in beef consumption in N.A. do for the N.A. beef producer? The beef processing system we have now is never going to accomplish that....Year of the Recall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kato, in agriculture, the difference between those that need to be told what to do and those that know what to do is survival!

 

[HAY MAKER]

Globalization,is killing off small town America,some of us will fight it with our last breath..................good luck

If you happened to have been one of the pets that ate the melamine tainted feed or one who ate the ecoli tainted beef, your "with our last breath" may have been truer than you wanted.

Yes,just another reason why this so called globalism needs to be kept in check,its a fact the health and safety issuses are numerous with imports..............good luck

 

[Mrs.Greg]

Got any suggestions as to what we should try next???? Something more constructive than criticism and finger pointing???

Kato, since the global demand in the developing world, will double by 2020 from 1995 for protein meats.
poultry....up 85%
beef........up 80%
pork........up 45%

And with our (beef cow) numbers world wide at 224 million head, with China having 29%, Brazil at 23% and the United States at 15% of that total. It would only put the producers in the United States and Canada in a stronger marketing position if we could combine our cattle numbers.

With producer organizations in both countries with their heads in the sand and a protectionist attitude, fighting over border issues, instead of working together on issues that would save our industry, in both countries for us, and future generations. I don't see, the United States or Canada, playing a part in that growing demand.

So, I would say to you and other Canadian cattle producers, call Randy Kaiser. Work together, in developing a small niche market away from commodity beef, and build your own future for yourself, and for future generations.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Good points, Ben. As you say, the USA and Canada need to work together instead of each trying to float their own boat. Both countries have top-of-the-line cattle with superior genetics. In reality, these countries are like Siamese twins or "conjoined" from head to foot. They should start acting like friendly brothers instead of fighting brothers. So much more could be accomplished in the general scheme of things.

Whether we like it or not, globalism is here to stay. We had just as well get used to it, and operate accordingly.

Way too much common sence in these two posts...It will never fly here in Bull

 

[Sandhusker]

This North American herd is a concept that can't work. We're in different countries with different laws, different tax structures, different currencies, different ag programs, on and on and on. All these differences create unavoidable inequalties that will be arbitraged by those with the money and power to arbitrage - money will be siphoned off - and that's none of us here.

We have a prime example right now. Canadian feeders are coming down here 3 and 4 times the average volumes. Why? The very inequalites that I just mentioned. Those cattle are having a negetive effect on our feeder prices here - those cattle are hurting us. On the other side, one would first think that feeder prices should be high in Canada, after all, that should increase the demand for them. Is that happening? Somebody is making money - could it be the very people who are pushing the North American herd ideology?

 

[Ben Roberts]

This North American herd is a concept that can't work. We're in different countries with different laws, different tax structures, different currencies, different ag programs, on and on and on. quote]


Sandhusker, as we speak there are US companies in Canada and vice versa, opperating with all of these differences you speak of. How can they be doing that? You speak like a true protectionist, you can't see the forest for the trees.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Ben Roberts]

Globalization,is killing off small town America,some of us will fight it with our last breath..................good luck

Hay Maker, killing off of small town America, started along time before we had all of these trade agreements. I don't like where we are, anymore than you do. It's not globalization that is killing off the cattle industry in the United States, it's stupidity!

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Sandhusker]

This North American herd is a concept that can't work. We're in different countries with different laws, different tax structures, different currencies, different ag programs, on and on and on. quote]


Sandhusker, as we speak there are US companies in Canada and vice versa, opperating with all of these differences you speak of. How can they be doing that? You speak like a true protectionist, you can't see the forest for the trees.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

That's the arbitraging power I was talking about. How many producers have their operation split between the two countries?

 

[Ben Roberts]

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Ben, we are sitting on the golden egg of beef markets...why, as an industry, are we looking for another golden egg to save our beef industry? What would a ten pound per capita increase in beef consumption in N.A. do for the N.A. beef producer? The beef processing system we have now is never going to accomplish that....Year of the Recall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


RobertMac, we (you and I ) are setting on a golden egg of beef markets, because of consumer awareness, as an industry though, we refuse to join together, into one organization, and take control of our industry in this most opportune time, when the consumer is demanding that we bring a wholesome, healthy and nutritional product to the market place. If, producers were in control of our industry, I believe quality control issues, in the processing line, would be of greater importance. And quite possibility eliminate most if not all of these recalls.


A ten pound per capita increase in beef consumption, is what is driving the beef industry, out of the United States NOW! We don't produce enough supply in the United States to meet our demand, even with the Canadian cattle and beef coming into our country. Our demand is only going to get stronger, and the multi-national packers, are going to meet that demand with beef from other countries.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Ben Roberts]

This North American herd is a concept that can't work. We're in different countries with different laws, different tax structures, different currencies, different ag programs, on and on and on. quote]


Sandhusker, as we speak there are US companies in Canada and vice versa, opperating with all of these differences you speak of. How can they be doing that? You speak like a true protectionist, you can't see the forest for the trees.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

That's the arbitraging power I was talking about. How many producers have their operation split between the two countries?

I have no idea of how many, we could all have that arbitraging power if we were organized though!

Hypothetically speaking now Sandhusker, if you owned all of the beef cattle in the United States and Canada, who would be in control of the beef cattle industry in both countries?

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Sandhusker]

Ben, " have no idea of how many, we could all have that arbitraging power if we were organized though!"

That would mean sharing profits and expenses - a socialist system. Tyson can play the game because they have Tyson Canada and Tyson US. To them, it doesn't matter if TC makes $10 and TUS $2 or if it is the other way. One center hedges the other. They can use the profits from one side to choke down the other to make it more fertile ground for the next day. Producers don't have that ability because they are either Canada or US. That's one way the North American herd nonsense works for the big boys and against producers.

Hypothetically speaking now Sandhusker, if you owned all of the beef cattle in the United States and Canada, who would be in control of the beef cattle industry in both countries?

Since we haven't opened up completely to South America yet, it would be me.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Ben, " have no idea of how many, we could all have that arbitraging power if we were organized though!"

That would mean sharing profits and expenses - a socialist system. Tyson can play the game because they have Tyson Canada and Tyson US. To them, it doesn't matter if TC makes $10 and TUS $2 or if it is the other way. One center hedges the other. They can use the profits from one side to choke down the other to make it more fertile ground for the next day. Producers don't have that ability because they are either Canada or US. That's one way the North American herd nonsense works for the big boys and against producers.

Hypothetically speaking now Sandhusker, if you owned all of the beef cattle in the United States and Canada, who would be in control of the beef cattle industry in both countries?

Since we haven't opened up completely to South America yet, it would be me.

Boy Sandy you got one right. :!:

You are exactlly right. The producers on both sides of the border own all (well almost) all the cows in North America :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Ben Roberts]

Ben, " have no idea of how many, we could all have that arbitraging power if we were organized though!"

That would mean sharing profits and expenses - a socialist system. Tyson can play the game because they have Tyson Canada and Tyson US. To them, it doesn't matter if TC makes $10 and TUS $2 or if it is the other way. One center hedges the other. They can use the profits from one side to choke down the other to make it more fertile ground for the next day. Producers don't have that ability because they are either Canada or US. That's one way the North American herd nonsense works for the big boys and against producers.

Hypothetically speaking now Sandhusker, if you owned all of the beef cattle in the United States and Canada, who would be in control of the beef cattle industry in both countries?

Since we haven't opened up completely to South America yet, it would be me.

Now with that being said, can't you see where a organized company, made up of producers would control, the cattle industry in both countries.

What do you mean, producers don't have that ability because they are either Canadian or US. What does nationality have to do with being a stock holder in an international company? Then would your "choke down" theory even exist. If a producer company controlled the flow cattle and beef.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Ben Roberts]

Kato, since the global demand in the developing world, will double by 2020 from 1995 for protein meats.
poultry....up 85%
beef........up 80%
pork........up 45%

And with our (beef cow) numbers world wide at 224 million head, with China having 29%, Brazil at 23% and the United States at 15% of that total. It would only put the producers in the United States and Canada in a stronger marketing position if we could combine our cattle numbers.

With producer organizations in both countries with their heads in the sand and a protectionist attitude, fighting over border issues, instead of working together on issues that would save our industry, in both countries for us, and future generations. I don't see, the United States or Canada, playing a part in that growing demand.

So, I would say to you and other Canadian cattle producers, call Randy Kaiser. Work together, in developing a small niche market away from commodity beef, and build your own future for yourself, and for future generations.


Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Good points, Ben. As you say, the USA and Canada need to work together instead of each trying to float their own boat. Both countries have top-of-the-line cattle with superior genetics. In reality, these countries are like Siamese twins or "conjoined" from head to foot. They should start acting like friendly brothers instead of fighting brothers. So much more could be accomplished in the general scheme of things.

Whether we like it or not, globalism is here to stay. We had just as well get used to it, and operate accordingly.

Way too much common sence in these two posts...It will never fly here in Bull

Mrs. Greg, you are correct, it won't fly here, too many protectionist R-CALF members on here that can't see the forest for the trees. R-CALF can't/won't see that Canada, is one country that can help us immediately, instead of hurting us. Australia, would be the next.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Sandhusker]

Ben, " have no idea of how many, we could all have that arbitraging power if we were organized though!"

That would mean sharing profits and expenses - a socialist system. Tyson can play the game because they have Tyson Canada and Tyson US. To them, it doesn't matter if TC makes $10 and TUS $2 or if it is the other way. One center hedges the other. They can use the profits from one side to choke down the other to make it more fertile ground for the next day. Producers don't have that ability because they are either Canada or US. That's one way the North American herd nonsense works for the big boys and against producers.

Hypothetically speaking now Sandhusker, if you owned all of the beef cattle in the United States and Canada, who would be in control of the beef cattle industry in both countries?

Since we haven't opened up completely to South America yet, it would be me.

Now with that being said, can't you see where a organized company, made up of producers would control, the cattle industry in both countries.

What do you mean, producers don't have that ability because they are either Canadian or US. What does nationality have to do with being a stock holder in an international company? Then would your "choke down" theory even exist. If a producer company controlled the flow cattle and beef.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

Oh, I can see how it would work. What I don't see is getting 300,000 producers to form a company.

I didn't say anything about Nationality. I was referring to the location of people's operations.

 

[RobertMac]

Ben, I have to play the devil's advocate...the players are the talent that makes the ball game. They are organized and control the flow of the talent. The owners (packers) have the key to the gate. Who would be able to survive longer during a 'lock-out'?

John Tyson, "Let them eat chicken!"

 

[Ben Roberts]

Ben, I have to play the devil's advocate...the players are the talent that makes the ball game. They are organized and control the flow of the talent. The owners (packers) have the key to the gate. Who would be able to survive longer during a 'lock-out'?

John Tyson, "Let them eat chicken!"

There would be no "lock-out"! It would all be about contracting for profit. Tyson, is not the only beef packer.

Best Regards
Ben Roberts

 

[Sandhusker]

Ben, "Mrs. Greg, you are correct, it won't fly here, too many protectionist R-CALF members on here that can't see the forest for the trees. R-CALF can't/won't see that Canada, is one country that can help us immediately, instead of hurting us. Australia, would be the next."

What can we do with Canada that we can't do without them?

 

[don]

let's see....drive your car, heat your house enjoy some of the best beef in the world. you really are a silly little man.