Ranchers Worst Enemy Himself

[RoperAB]

Roper I don,t personally have any problems with the Canadian farmers.
What I am saying we need to take care of ourselves first not every country with a name .
Don,t take this the wrong way just a question.
Do you call yourself and smart person or a stuppid person.
Know one wants to address the problem I ask again are we ( We ) us a farmer ranchers stuppid think a minute.We are led like sheep to slaughter.We don,t price our products this is not a impossible task we can come up with something better than we have now.
We souldn,t have to try and play stock broker and out guess the pretty boys on chicage board of trade.
They don,t have to gamble with weather or anything .we take all the risk in agriculture.And like every other business we need to sell for a proffit we should never sell below cost of production.
And I don,t know about Canada money if the country is broke like us or know but we don,t have any business helping anyone till we get our house in order.Don,t you ever think about this when you are out on the ranch or driving down the road .You know they aren,t to many of us left we might surprise every one one day soon we get our s*** together and run our agriculture farms like any other business.We and make this work if we are detirmind and we are detirmined.
Roper have a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year

The farmers that do good up here are the ones who grow crops that are not under the control of the wheatboard and these farmers market there own product.
Its the same deal with ranchers. There are some up here who market their own beef.
If your not prepaed to market your own product<think market niches, bio fuels, organic beef> then your going to have to be prepared to take whatever the packers give you.
Look at horses, people bench about what horses are selling for at the auction mart. I dont give a crap what horses sell at the auction mart because im never going to sell a horse at an auction mart. I market my own product.
About trade
I was just making the point that trade is not a one sided deal. I get the impression from Americans that they think everything would be wonderul down there if it wasnt for us Canadians.
BTW What is the Canadian share of the US beef market? Im thinking its really small?
Anyway even though it really hurt Canadian manufacturing I think NAFTA was a good idea. Where it got screwed up is when you expanded it to Mexico.

 

[Sundance]

Well thur day morning see some activity on the boards fue men seeing the light.By the way like the Opec name sounds ok agriculture Opec assn.
We have some guys that stll don,t get the message.
SH you must be on NCBA payroll or a wanta be pollition like the NCBA And Farm Bureau boys.
What you don,t under stand we are the boss and they work for us we don,t work for them.
When the border was closed they voted here in florida ,Georgia ,alabama,Mississippi ,Tennessee,Kentucky ,Illinois and Massouri to keep the border closed and we even voted three times same every time no change .I do know the other states voted I don,t know if they voted 3 times like we did.
But when your boss tells you to do something and you do the opposent you should lose your job.Just like the American people on the war they told the clown to pull out he doesn,t lisen.
Sandhusker and Ben like your way of thinking more farmer ranchers should think for themselves and not let them do it for you.
We are going to get some TV time after the first of the year and look out what you will see on the American Farm picture.
If it wasn,t for the government handouts most of the farmers would be gone now.
It still blows my mind that every one sets here and reads the letters and only a fue have any ( Balls ) to do or say anything.
SH by the way if NCBA gets there way every one needs a raise you know insurance paid and so on .Would you just pay our $ 2.00 more per hd.Sorry little man I don,t have any simpathy for the big boys with NCBA &Farm Bureau .I guess I have allways like the underdog.Not the big boys.

 

[Sundance]

Big Muddy Rancher Go to the NCBA,S roll call and see if you can find out they just speculated we can,t give this out to the public.Sorry
We have around 1500 bulls on one of our operations.
We like Red Angus the best but we use some herefords and charl and black angus to.We probally will start fazzing out the blacks to hot and humity here in florida other cattle stay out longer the blacks go to the shade 2 hrs earlier in most studies here on days above 80 .

 

[Sundance]

Roper AB tell us about the class action law suit against the canadian government over the feeding problems .Just read on article thought you might have more info in canada.

 

[Jason]

It's easy to make claims when no evidence is required.

 

[RoperAB]

Roper AB tell us about the class action law suit against the canadian government over the feeding problems .Just read on article thought you might have more info in canada.

Sundance I havnt heard anything about it for awhile.
:lol: Hey here is a question for you, what ever happened to the American USDA guy by the name of Lester Friedlander? The last I heard he was being questioned by your Feds because of the statements he made to Canada's Parliament about the American BSE cover up in the States. That was a year ago and I havnt heard anything since about it.

Here is a question for everybody
So if I go out and buy a bunch of land, buy a bunch of cows and then loose money at it, should the government step in and regulate the packers so they have to give me more money so that I can make a go of it?
What about the horse industry. Is this different than the beef industry? Say if I go out and buy a bunch of land and breeding stock. Then I haul my yearlings to the horse auction and loose money on every horse I sell. Should the government move in and regulate the price of what horses should sell for so that I can make a profit?

 

[Sundance]

Roper AB I haven,t heard and and thing in along time either.
You know this whole thing is a joke anyway a good friend Dr with Nortivartis made a interesting gesture 3 million people died yesterday today and tomorrow from starvation and no problem but 225 total from the first case years ago of mad cow and every one is up in the air and they use the same dam picture of the dairy cow.
Getting back to your question I don,t trust our government one inch they play pollitics with every thing cows hogs vegetables and even humans lives.They don,t care its big business so many die thats the price of doing business.I really don,t know to much about your government to say anything.Our own USDA now says they may have made a mistake and need to look at the border closing because of more cases
They didn,t have a hold on it when it happened.
Wouldn,t you love to have a case of foot and mouth like brazil and Argentina russia cut them off a fue weeks ago no they want USA to give them a blueprint how to wipe it out.

 

[Kathy]

Sundance,

So you're the largest cow calf producer...

largest OR greediest

How much money do you need to make a comfortable living? Seems that you are part of the problem, that is putting small family farms out of business.

 

[Sundance]

Yes Kathy we are but that is there doing I am I just run the operations and make them lots of money.
If I had my way we would all be on a section of ground making a good living like they use to.
No export just take care of ourselves.
Call it protectionist you bet .This trying to solve every ones problems has broke us .What the polititions don,t steal the Big business like Halliburden does.
By the way big isn,t better the packers found this out when they could,t get enough beef to kill.
Our problem here we have to many do gooders.
No one wants to face the real problem no jobs all going some where else.Before long wal mart will close in USA no jobs no money.
They want you to focus on every thing but something that will put money in your pocket.

 

[blackjack]

...roper...i am only familiar with east central and west central alberta...but some of these ranchers and farmers make huge incomes off their leases...just take a look at the price of land in alberta compared to sask or manitoba...that leaves albertans with more capital for expansion...ask sandhusker who can get loans the easiest...i imagine it would be the businesses with the most capital...

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Big Muddy Rancher Go to the NCBA,S roll call and see if you can find out they just speculated we can,t give this out to the public.Sorry
We have around 1500 bulls on one of our operations.
We like Red Angus the best but we use some herefords and charl and black angus to.We probally will start fazzing out the blacks to hot and humity here in florida other cattle stay out longer the blacks go to the shade 2 hrs earlier in most studies here on days above 80 .

I'm not to familiar with Flordia but in most ranching country you would be fairly safe figuring 30 cows per bull. So if Florida is not much different that would mean your running about 45,000 cows on one of your Operations?

What are you doing selling calves ? why don't you have your own packing plant?

You never answered my first question. Is R-CALF in favor of "Orderly Marketing" such as quotas on who and what can be produced?

 

[RoperAB]

...roper...i am only familiar with east central and west central alberta...but some of these ranchers and farmers make huge incomes off their leases...just take a look at the price of land in alberta compared to sask or manitoba...that leaves albertans with more capital for expansion...ask sandhusker who can get loans the easiest...i imagine it would be the businesses with the most capital...

Huge revenue? Down here they dont pay much and they are nothing but a curse. If your a farmer you have this friggen lease in the middle of your field that you have to work around all the time. If your a rancher you can end up with your cows aborting or giving birth to deformed calves because you got a sour gas well on your outfit.
Even the friggen sizemic work will screw up your springs <water>, then there are the roads they will put in and the tourest and hunters that will follow the roads in years to come. And for what? A couple of thousand dollars a year. It doesnt matter if you have native buffalo grass either, they will tear that up the same as any other kind of common crop.
The only ones who have made any money off these oil outfits are the ones who own the mineral rights to their land. Around here 99.9% of the land owners dont own the mineral rights.
Here is another thing to think about. Look at how much fresh water these guys are useing to pressurize their oil wells. Right now in urban areas they are starting to put water meters on peoples houses. Water is getting scarce and who do you think the government is going to cut off first, oil outfits who use most of it down in their dirty holes where its gone forever or farmers who irrigate their crops?
About high land prices
Sandhusker isnt the only banker on this forum.
This is one of the worst things about the oil boom. Try buying land around here. Unless your Ted Turner forget about it. Even if you dont plan on expanding your land base do you really think your property taxes are going to stay this low? I garantee you that with the droves of people flocking to Alberta that when enough people want your land for stuff besides agriculture that the government will simple tax it away from you. Dont believe me? Look at what happened in western Montana. The government taxed agriculture land until only movie stars and Californians could afford to live there.
The only way a cow guy bennifits from these crazy land prices in Alberta is if he sells off and moves to Saskatchewan which is exactly what many are doing. As far as im concerned I liked Alberta better 10 years ago. How many friggen acreages are in your part of the province? Down here everything is overstocked with people, roads and houses everywhere and its getting worse all the time.

 

[Sandhusker]

BMR, "Is R-CALF in favor of "Oderly Marketing" such as quotas on who and what can be produced?"

NO

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

BMR, "Is R-CALF in favor of "Oderly Marketing" such as quotas on who and what can be produced?"

NO

Sundance wrote"Jason our organizations need to work these things out.True it one producer can have less cost than others thats in every product.Freight also is a player.But we need to reach a happy medium and price our products use the cost of production like I said if fuel goes up or fertilizer then we have to cover that cost and pass it on like every other business.
Remember we don,t want to be called stuppid do we.If we do nothng to solve the problem then they can call us stuppid.
Hey I don,t have all the answers I will tell you that but we have to help outselves no one will do it for us.
Notice how many read the article and how many replyed no one wants to go there.
They want to wine and go on about the packer .
We are going to make a big move after the first on this issues and R-calf is interested in getting involved in the ground work.


So how are you going to control the price of your product if you don't control the amount you have for sale.? Must be some form of "Orderly marketing". Maybe Sandhusker and Sundance should have a conference call and get their stories straight.

 

[Anonymous]

"Oderly Marketing"-- No wonder Canada has no other export markets-- if you have stinky meat :wink: :lol:

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

"Oderly Marketing"-- No wonder Canada has no other export markets-- if you have stinky meat :wink: :lol:

So why don't you jump in OT. You seem to be in the INNER CIRCLE of R-CALF. At least you like to let on you are.

Oh yea your Head Diverter. :?

 

[Anonymous]

"Oderly Marketing"-- No wonder Canada has no other export markets-- if you have stinky meat :wink: :lol:

So why don't you jump in OT. You seem to be in the INNER CIRCLE of R-CALF. At least you like to let on you are.

Sandhusker told you right-- I've never heard R-CALF proclaim any "orderly marketing" program.........

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

"Oderly Marketing"-- No wonder Canada has no other export markets-- if you have stinky meat :wink: :lol:

So why don't you jump in OT. You seem to be in the INNER CIRCLE of R-CALF. At least you like to let on you are.

Sandhusker told you right-- I've never heard R-CALF proclaim any "orderly marketing" program.........

Would you like to comment on Sundance and his organization and R-CALF working to that end?

 

[Anonymous]

So why don't you jump in OT. You seem to be in the INNER CIRCLE of R-CALF. At least you like to let on you are.

Sandhusker told you right-- I've never heard R-CALF proclaim any "orderly marketing" program.........

Would you like to comment on Sundance and his organization and R-CALF working to that end?

Nope- because I'm not sure where he's coming from.......

 

[Sandhusker]

So why don't you jump in OT. You seem to be in the INNER CIRCLE of R-CALF. At least you like to let on you are.

Sandhusker told you right-- I've never heard R-CALF proclaim any "orderly marketing" program.........

Would you like to comment on Sundance and his organization and R-CALF working to that end?

Not really