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Sandhusker...why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries?

Could it be that they, Canada, have some of the same major packers the USA has?
 
Tommy said:
Sandhusker...why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries?

Could it be that they, Canada, have some of the same major packers the USA has?

:shock: OH, MY! Could it possibly be so? :???: :lol: :lol:
 
Tommy said:
Sandhusker...why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries?

Could it be that they, Canada, have some of the same major packers the USA has?
Gee could it be because they were smart enough to look at the facts and SEE you were at the SAME RISK as you had imported cattle and feed from the same placed but only in larger quanities. Gee maybe even a larger risk due to the fact you imported more and didn't comply to a stricter feed ban. (And still don't) And by standing on the old rules was going to force the US producers to live by the same OLD rules as in NO EXPORTS. I wonder if the US had stood on the Closed border rule would any of your trading partners be taking your beef now that YOU HAVE BSE, YOU HAVE LOOPHOLES IN YOUR FEED BANS, YOUR SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM TOOK 7 MONTHS TO CORRECTLY CONFIRM A POSITIVE COW AND YOU PACKING PLANTS DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ TO SEE WHAT SRM'S ARE WHEN DEALING WITH NEW MARKETS .
Sandhusker this is no different than any of the other questions you ask if the answer isn't what you want to hear you deny anyone ever answered it. :roll: Consider this an answer whether you agree or not.
 
If your so damn concerned about public health OT why in the hell didnt you run for political office and let the people decide wiether you were worthy of there vote.. my guess would be youd still be a horse farmer :clap:
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
If your so damn concerned about public health OT why in the hell didnt you run for political office and let the people decide wiether you were worthy of there vote.. my guess would be youd still be a horse farmer :clap:

Watch out MR Sandhusker is on the hunt for missspelled words today That and re-asking a question he doesn't like the answer to the other hundred times he has asked it. :wink: :lol:
 
Manitoba_Rancher said:
If your so damn concerned about public health OT why in the hell didnt you run for political office and let the people decide wiether you were worthy of there vote.. my guess would be youd still be a horse farmer :clap:

Spent 30 years there old bean- ran for office several times--I'd spent long enough in government for me....Still do put in a few days a month to help out... Sometimes its time for the younger generation to take the reins....Wish I could convince some of these US legislators of the same :wink: ....

Is that the only argument you got--Take me on personally...You're starting to sound like the "broomrider from Big Beaver" or the frenchman who've both got such a diety worship fixation with R-CALF that they can't think about anything else.....
 
Tam said:
Tommy said:
Sandhusker...why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries?

Could it be that they, Canada, have some of the same major packers the USA has?
Gee could it be because they were smart enough to look at the facts and SEE you were at the SAME RISK as you had imported cattle and feed from the same placed but only in larger quanities. Gee maybe even a larger risk due to the fact you imported more and didn't comply to a stricter feed ban. (And still don't) And by standing on the old rules was going to force the US producers to live by the same OLD rules as in NO EXPORTS. I wonder if the US had stood on the Closed border rule would any of your trading partners be taking your beef now that YOU HAVE BSE, YOU HAVE LOOPHOLES IN YOUR FEED BANS, YOUR SURVEILLANCE SYSTEM TOOK 7 MONTHS TO CORRECTLY CONFIRM A POSITIVE COW AND YOU PACKING PLANTS DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ TO SEE WHAT SRM'S ARE WHEN DEALING WITH NEW MARKETS .
Sandhusker this is no different than any of the other questions you ask if the answer isn't what you want to hear you deny anyone ever answered it. :roll: Consider this an answer whether you agree or not.

Well, it's an answer in the technical sense, but it doesn't directly address the question I asked. :lol: I wanted to know that the difference between country #22 and country #23 was. It wasn't like the US and Canada were exclusively trading with the same lone supplier. We were taking the same cattle and feed a lot of people were.

I'm not buying your bit about having to live by the "old rules". (By the way, what knowledge did we gain that we could justify "new" ?) Every country has been doing what they wanted to per how they saw best for them, regardless of how we treated you. You don't need to sepeculate with "maybe", the hand has been played.
 
Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
MR, "Oldtimer admit it this isnt about BSE, its about prices."

NO, it's not. It's about US producers and consumers being blatantly sold out for corporate profits. I was going to add, "and the precidence that sets", but that precident was already set - just continued on an obscene level. Some of us are getting tired of the multi-national's checkbook being the first priority in setting policy. We would like to have our regulatory agency back and have them do what they were created for and paid to do.

If our beef is tainted and a genuine risk of death and the USDA sold out the US producers and consumers for corporate profits by openning the border to Canadian beef and cattle that beneifited the packers, retailers and by keeping the prices of beef reasonable in the US, the US consumers also. Who did they sell out when they didn't ban the selling of US beef when BSE was found in the US and by R-CALF's own words should have been looked at as all tainted as it come from a country affected by BSE ? And who profited from the USDA not banning US beef? first answer: the US consumers and the second: the US PRODUCERS. Just what do you think your high cattle prices would have been if you couldn't export your beef or sell it to the poor US consumers as it might put them at a genuine risk of death. Funny how you talk about being sold out when what was done didn't beneifit you personally but did beneifit others, but you think it is fine that they sold out the US consumers to profit you. If R-CALF and their supporters were concerned about the US consumers health they should have stop selling beef and cattle the moment the Texas cow was found positive. And some of their bigger supporters shouldn't have been in Canada buying cattle at cut rate prices just so they could make a buck off the backs of the Canadian producers. And then whining about how the packers in Canada had stoled all their profits when they found out who they were. :p

First of all, "stoled" is not a word, not in the US, anyway. :wink:

Secondly, other than the effect on packer's pocketbooks, why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries? I've asked that question many times and nobody can seem to answer it. Can you, Tam?
Do you think cattle moving back and forth across the border for over a hundred years might have just a bit to do with it? :roll: :roll:
 
flounder said:
HOLY mad cow i forgot about these 500 suspect cows ;


USDA did not test possible mad cows
By STEVE MITCHELL
United Press International

WASHINGTON, June 8 (UPI) -- The U.S. Department of Agriculture claims it tested 500 cows with signs of a brain disorder for mad cow disease last year, but agency documents obtained by United Press International show the agency tested only half that number.

USDA officials said the difference is made up in animals tested at state veterinary diagnostic laboratories, but these animals were not tested using the "gold standard" test employed by the agency for confirming a case of the deadly disease. Instead, the state labs used a less sensitive test that experts say could miss mad cow cases.

In addition, the state lab figures were not included in a March 2004 USDA document estimating the number of animals most likely to be infected among U.S. herds, and apparently were not given to a congressional committee that had requested agency data on the number of cows with brain disorder signs that had been tested for the disease.

"This is just adding to the demise of USDA's credibility," said Felicia Nestor, senior policy adviser to the Government Accountability Project, a group in Washington, D.C., that works with federal whistleblowers.

"If the USDA is going to exclude from testing the animals most likely to have the disease, that would seem to have a very negative impact on the reliability of their conclusion," Nestor told UPI.

Nestor, who has monitored the USDA's mad cow surveillance program closely for several years, asked, "Are they deliberately avoiding testing animals that look like they have the disease?"

Concerns about the number of cows in U.S. herds with brain disorder symptoms have been heightened due to the recent case in Texas, in which USDA officials failed to test an animal with such symptoms, also known as central nervous system or CNS signs. This was a violation of USDA policy, which stipulates all CNS cows should be tested because they are considered the most likely to be mad cow infected. To date, the Washington cow that tested positive last December is the only confirmed case of mad cow disease -- also known as bovine spongiform encephalopathy -- among U.S. herds.

The Texas incident has alarmed the public and members of Congress because humans can contract a fatal brain disorder called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease from consuming meat infected with the mad cow pathogen. If the USDA's surveillance program is allowing the riskiest cows to go untested, it raises concerns about the ability of the monitoring system to detect the disease reliably in U.S. herds, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., charged in a May 13 letter to Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman.

Dr. Peter Lurie, of the consumer group Public Citizen, said CNS cows should be the one category that absolutely has to be tested to have a sound surveillance system.

"CNS animals are far and away the most important animals to test," said Lurie, who has done several analyses of the USDA's mad cow surveillance program.

"If there's any category that needs 100 percent testing, that's it, because they would be the most likely place to find mad cow in America," he told UPI. "Any CNS cow that slips into the food supply represents a major case of malpractice by USDA, and similarly, the failure to test the brain of that animal to see if it was indeed infected is really a failure to protect the public."

USDA officials said the agency has no estimate on how many CNS cows occur in U.S. herds. But spokesman Ed Loyd has told UPI, and at least one other media outlet, that 500 CNS cows were tested in fiscal year 2003. Yet agency testing records for the first 10 months of FY 2003, obtained by UPI under the Freedom of Information Act, show only 254 animals that fall under the CNS category -- or about half the number Loyd cited.

After failing to respond to repeated requests from UPI for clarification of the apparent discrepancy, Loyd finally offered the explanation that an additional 45 CNS cows were tested by the USDA during the final two months of FY 2003. The remainder, he said, was made up by CNS cases tested at various state veterinary diagnostic laboratories.

"We also include data reported to us from state veterinary diagnostic laboratories, and all of these are CNS cases that have been tested for BSE using a histological examination," Loyd said.

"We were not using any other labs during this period, other than (the USDA lab), to run the IHC tests for BSE, which is the gold standard," he said. "This (state laboratory) information contributes important data to our surveillance effort."

However, the state labs did not use the immunohistochemistry test, which the USDA has called the "gold standard" for diagnosing mad cow disease. Instead, the labs used a different test called histopathology, which the USDA itself does not use to confirm a case, opting instead for the more sensitive IHC test.

The histopathology test, unlike the IHC test, does not detect prions -- misfolded proteins that serve as a marker for infection and can be spotted early on in the course of the illness. Rather, it screens for the microscopic holes in the brain that are characteristic of advanced mad cow disease.

According to the USDA's Web site, histopathology proves reliable only if the brain sample is removed soon after the death of the animal. If there is too much of a delay, the Web site states, it can be "very difficult to confirm a diagnosis by histopathology" because the brain structures may have begun to disintegrate.

That is one reason the agency began using the IHC test -- it can confirm a diagnosis if the brain has begun disintegrating or been frozen for shipping.

The state labs used histopathology to screen 266 CNS cases in FY 2003, as well as 257 cases in FY 2002, according to Loyd. He did not explain why this information was not included in the testing records the agency provided to UPI and has not responded to requests for the identity of the state labs.

Linda Detwiler, a former USDA veterinarian who oversaw the agency's mad cow testing program, told UPI the histopathology test probably is adequate for screening CNS cows. If they have mad cow disease, she said, it would likely be an advanced stage that should be obvious.

Other mad cow disease experts, however, said having a back-up test such as IHC would be advisable, because histopathology tests sometimes can miss evidence of infection.

The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations offers similar recommendations in its protocol for conducing a histopathology test. The protocol states that even if histopathology is negative, "further sampling should be undertaken" in cases "where clinical signs have strongly suggested BSE" -- a criteria that includes all of the cows tested at the state labs.

The USDA seems to agree on the need for a back-up test. Its expanded surveillance program, which began June 1, calls for using IHC -- or another test called Western blot -- to confirm any positives found on rapid tests. The March 15 document that describes the new program does not mention using histopathology to confirm cases of mad cow disease.

"Subtle changes can be missed on histopathology that would probably not be as easy to miss using IHC," said Elizabeth Mumford, a veterinarian and BSE expert at Safe Food Solutions in Bern, Switzerland, a company that provides advice on reducing mad cow risk to industry and governments.

"Therefore I believe it is valuable to run (histopathology)," Mumford told UPI.

She noted that in Europe, two tests -- neither one the histopathology test -- are used to ensure no cases are missed. A rapid test is used initially for screening, followed by IHC as a confirmatory test.

Markus Moser, a molecular biologist and chief executive officer of the Swiss firm Prionics, which manufactures tests for detecting mad cow disease, agrees about the possibility of a case being missed by histopathology.

"There were cases which were (histopathology) negative but still clearly positive with the other (testing) methods," Moser said. "BSE testing based on histology on sub-optimal tissue was probably one of the reasons why Germany was allegedly BSE-free until our test discovered that they were not" in 2000, Moser told UPI.

He agreed with Detwiler that histopathology should be suitable for most cases of CNS cows, but added it still can fail to detect the disease in some CNS cases -- particularly if the sample is not optimum.

"It is difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish the subtle changes in a diseased brain from artifacts like ruptures in the tissue due to tissue damage during the sampling, transport or preparation," he said.

Loyd asserted the additional CNS cases from the state labs actually yielded a total of 565 such cows the USDA had tested -- 65 more than his original figure of 500. Whether the USDA considers its total to be 500 or 565, however, either figure would exceed the agency's own estimates for the total number of such cows that it identifies annually.

According to data the USDA provided to the House Committee on Government Reform, and numbers the agency included in the March document about its expanded surveillance plan, only 201 to 249 CNS cows are identified at slaughterhouses. Approximately 129 additional cases occur on farms annually. At most, that yields a combined total of 378 CNS cows, or nearly 200 less than the 565 Loyd claims the agency tested.

The USDA surveillance plan document makes no mention of the number of CNS animals tested at state veterinary diagnostic labs. The figure also does not appear to be included in the agency's estimates of the number of high-risk animals that occur in the United States each year. The latter number was used to help the USDA calculate the number of animals it will screen for mad cow disease in its expanded surveillance plan.

USDA officials also did not include the state lab figures in response to a question from the House Committee on Government Reform, a source close to the issue told UPI. The committee, on which Waxman is the ranking Democrat, had requested in a March 8 letter to Veneman that she provide "the number of BSE tests that were conducted on cattle exhibiting central nervous system symptoms" for each of the last five years.

Loyd did not respond to a request from UPI asking why agency officials did not provide that information to the committee or include it in USDA's explanation of its expanded surveillance plan.

The committee has taken note of the CNS issue and plans to delve into it further in a hearing slated for sometime in the next few months.

"The committee will explore this and other issues surrounding USDA and BSE testing at a hearing later this summer," Drew Crockett, spokesman for the committee, told UPI.

--

Steve Mitchell is UPI's Medical Correspondent. E-mail [email protected]



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TSS
The silence is deafening. :oops: I wonder if most of those samples were from a "cluster" area in Texas?
 
reader (the Second) said:
Tam said:
Manitoba_Rancher said:
If your so damn concerned about public health OT why in the hell didnt you run for political office and let the people decide wiether you were worthy of there vote.. my guess would be youd still be a horse farmer :clap:

Watch out MR Sandhusker is on the hunt for missspelled words today That and re-asking a question he doesn't like the answer to the other hundred times he has asked it. :wink: :lol:

Maybe Sandhusker and X can get together and hunt for misspelled words :roll: :wink:

R2: Good call,at long last they would actually be able to prove something :!: :p :lol: :wink:
 
Oldtimer said:
Is that the only argument you got--Take me on personally...You're starting to sound like the "broomrider from Big Beaver" or the frenchman who've both got such a diety worship fixation with R-CALF that they can't think about anything else.....


M.R and B.M.R just remember having an argument with OT is like having a battle of wits with an unarmed man. :lol:
 
Bill said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam said:
If our beef is tainted and a genuine risk of death and the USDA sold out the US producers and consumers for corporate profits by openning the border to Canadian beef and cattle that beneifited the packers, retailers and by keeping the prices of beef reasonable in the US, the US consumers also. Who did they sell out when they didn't ban the selling of US beef when BSE was found in the US and by R-CALF's own words should have been looked at as all tainted as it come from a country affected by BSE ? And who profited from the USDA not banning US beef? first answer: the US consumers and the second: the US PRODUCERS. Just what do you think your high cattle prices would have been if you couldn't export your beef or sell it to the poor US consumers as it might put them at a genuine risk of death. Funny how you talk about being sold out when what was done didn't beneifit you personally but did beneifit others, but you think it is fine that they sold out the US consumers to profit you. If R-CALF and their supporters were concerned about the US consumers health they should have stop selling beef and cattle the moment the Texas cow was found positive. And some of their bigger supporters shouldn't have been in Canada buying cattle at cut rate prices just so they could make a buck off the backs of the Canadian producers. And then whining about how the packers in Canada had stoled all their profits when they found out who they were. :p

First of all, "stoled" is not a word, not in the US, anyway. :wink:

Secondly, other than the effect on packer's pocketbooks, why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries? I've asked that question many times and nobody can seem to answer it. Can you, Tam?
Do you think cattle moving back and forth across the border for over a hundred years might have just a bit to do with it? :roll: :roll:

No I don't. To believe that would require ignoring all the other BSE positive countries that we traded with as well - and then closed and kept closed the border on.
 
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Sandhusker said:
First of all, "stoled" is not a word, not in the US, anyway. :wink:

Secondly, other than the effect on packer's pocketbooks, why was the USDA so gung-ho over opening the border for country #23 (Canada) yet was content to keep the border closed to the previous 22 countries? I've asked that question many times and nobody can seem to answer it. Can you, Tam?
Do you think cattle moving back and forth across the border for over a hundred years might have just a bit to do with it? :roll: :roll:

No I don't. To believe that would require ignoring all the other BSE positive countries that we traded with as well - and then closed and kept closed the border on.
Tell us Sandhusker just how many of those other countries did the US trade billions of dollars worth of cattle and feed with? Let me give you some numbers
First US imports for 2002 before BSE affected trade with our two countries
Grain and feed
1. Canada with $986,134,000
2. Mexico with $185,610,000
3 Italy with $77,848,000

Live Cattle
1. Canada with $1,494,752,000
2. Mexico with $302,443,000
3. Netherlands with $41,389,000

Beef
1. Canada with $1,114,614,000
2. Australia with $883,949,000
3. New Zealand with $472,014,000

Now Exports

Grain feed and feed ingr.
1. Canada with $980,072,000
2. Japan with $739,938,000
3. Mexico with $270,015,000

Beef and veal Fresh or froz.
1. Japan with $831,489,000
2. Korea with $607,591,000
3. Mexico with $592,857,000
4. Canada with $217,690,000

Beef and veal Prep or proc.
1. Canada with $68,592,000
2. Japan with $11,532,000
3. Egypt with $4,497,000

Cattle in 2002
1. Mexico with $62,848,000
2. Canada with $46,599,000

Cattle in 2004 after your borders were closed
1. Canada with $2,441,000
2. Mexico with $559,000
3. Japan with $15,000

cattle in 2005
1. Canada with $3,073,000
2. Brazil with $23,000
3. Mexico with $20,000


In 2002 the US imported $3,595,500,000 from Canada and exported to Canada $1,312,953,000 worth of cattle and feed. Maybe someone would like to figure out what that works out to per capita

Notice just how many times Canada's name is in the number one space Sandhusker. Could this have something to do with the way the USDA treated BSE rules in the US? Tell us how you can do this much trade with Canada and the other trading parnters we had in common like the UK and not realize that if Canada has a problem it is only a matter of time before you will have it? These are USDA numbers so all they had to do was LOOK AT THE DATA to realize the rules better change or the US producer would be paying in the same way you expected Canada to pay.
 
Tam, "Tell us Sandhusker just how many of those other countries did the US trade billions of dollars worth of cattle and feed with? Let me give you some numbers
First US imports for 2002 before BSE affected trade with our two countries
Grain and feed
1. Canada with $986,134,000
2. Mexico with $185,610,000
3 Italy with $77,848,000

Live Cattle
1. Canada with $1,494,752,000
2. Mexico with $302,443,000
3. Netherlands with $41,389,000

Beef
1. Canada with $1,114,614,000
2. Australia with $883,949,000
3. New Zealand with $472,014,000

Now Exports

Grain feed and feed ingr.
1. Canada with $980,072,000
2. Japan with $739,938,000
3. Mexico with $270,015,000

Beef and veal Fresh or froz.
1. Japan with $831,489,000
2. Korea with $607,591,000
3. Mexico with $592,857,000
4. Canada with $217,690,000

Beef and veal Prep or proc.
1. Canada with $68,592,000
2. Japan with $11,532,000
3. Egypt with $4,497,000

Cattle in 2002
1. Mexico with $62,848,000
2. Canada with $46,599,000

Cattle in 2004 after your borders were closed
1. Canada with $2,441,000
2. Mexico with $559,000
3. Japan with $15,000

cattle in 2005
1. Canada with $3,073,000
2. Brazil with $23,000
3. Mexico with $20,000


In 2002 the US imported $3,595,500,000 from Canada and exported to Canada $1,312,953,000 worth of cattle and feed. Maybe someone would like to figure out what that works out to per capita

Notice just how many times Canada's name is in the number one space Sandhusker. Could this have something to do with the way the USDA treated BSE rules in the US? Tell us how you can do this much trade with Canada and the other trading parnters we had in common like the UK and not realize that if Canada has a problem it is only a matter of time before you will have it? These are USDA numbers so all they had to do was LOOK AT THE DATA to realize the rules better change or the US producer would be paying in the same way you expected Canada to pay."

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First of all, Tam, you are presenting years when we had already closed our borders to many of the other countries.

Secondly, volume has nothing to do with avoiding BSE. Is there a chart that corresponds number of cases with how many cattle/lbs. of beef that can be imported?

Finally, why do you keep speculating on the US being treated according to how we handled Canada? You don't need to guess - you're talking about history now. We've been taking your beef for how long now and still have countries not taking our product? It didn't work.
 
Gee , we have countries taking our beef that started taking yours then quit. and some that are taking our beef and never started taking yours. Maybe they think you have a problem but aren't looking after it the way Canada does. "Honesty is the best policy" Sandhusker. Oh darn the other bank in town uses that slogan.
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Gee , we have countries taking our beef that started taking yours then quit. and some that are taking our beef and never started taking yours. Maybe they think you have a problem but aren't looking after it the way Canada does. "Honesty is the best policy" Sandhusker. Oh darn the other bank in town uses that slogan.

You just proved my point, BRM. Countries will do and did do exactly what they wanted independent of what we did with Canada. If you and Tam would talk more....
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Gee , we have countries taking our beef that started taking yours then quit. and some that are taking our beef and never started taking yours. Maybe they think you have a problem but aren't looking after it the way Canada does. "Honesty is the best policy" Sandhusker. Oh darn the other bank in town uses that slogan.

You just proved my point, BRM. Countries will do and did do exactly what they wanted independent of what we did with Canada. If you and Tam would talk more....

And it makes the joke "North American Herd" even more laughable :lol: :lol: But even the stooges at NCBA couldn't buy that one...
 
Let's try something new today Sandhusker I brought the Canadian import numbers for the year prior to our border closing due of BSE, why don't you bring the numbers of the other countries that the US shut out. We all know how you like to simplify thing so lets just bring the cattle numbers. Once you find the numbers we'll compare and see just who your largest trading partner was prior to BSE being found in their country.
I'll get you started Sandhusker with the first country, according to records submitted for the Harvard Risk Assessment, the US imported 334 U.K. cattle between 1981 and 1989 that is about 40 per year. Can't see the U.K. competeing for the top spot can you? Now I started it is your turn. Let's see just what kind of trade you did with these other countries.
While we are at it, we should look at the known science surrounding BSE when the other borders were closed. Again, I'll start with the U.K., totally new disease little to nothing known about how it was transmitted. Canada we now know it is not contagious and most likely theory of transmission is though feeding ruminant to ruminant.
Then there is the safeguards the countries had in place when the BSE was found. U.K. since it was a new disease had no safeguards in place as nobody knew what the safeguards should be. Canada , by recommendation of the OIE had a BSE surveillance system, testing a higher percent of cattle than even the US did, in place for more than a decade. Once the feed transmission came to light and recommendations came out from the OIE Canada in 1997 like the US implement a MBM feed ban to which Canada has a history of compliance and records to prove unlike the US. A year late Canada strengthened their feed bans unlike the US. In 2000, Canada implement a National ID system to trace the Canadian cattle back to birth place in cases of ALL reportable diseases again unlike the US.
Now I will add as I know you will anyway. Canada found a imported case in 1993 unlike the US but our government investigated the case located and destroyed all remaining UK cattle and in doing so our BSE free status was intact. UNLIKE the US's imported case in Dec 2003. where they could only find about half the imported cattle that come on the same truck and not a prayer of finding all the cattle imported from Canada as there were just to many to even try. And because of the UK cattle that went though the US less stringent system the US also found they had BSE in their native herd.
Now Sandhusker lets see what those other countries did, bring it Please so we can compare.
 
Secondly, volume has nothing to do with avoiding BSE. Is there a chart that corresponds number of cases with how many cattle/lbs. of beef that can be imported?
Sorry missed this little statement Sandhusker but I think you better look at the OIE guidelines once more as volume of BSE cases has everything to do with the risk status and the guidelines that are expected of the exporting country. But NO where in the OIE guidelines does it say the importing country should ban imports all together. Only that the exporting country should have safeguards equivalent to they risk status of which Canada and the US are in the same risk status, in place so not to spread BSE to the importing country. Since our safeguards are higher than those in the US, which has been pointed out by Oldtimer in his comment about "we have the right to have the same safeguards in place to protect us as Canada does.", Why should the USDA stop trade to protect the prices R-CALF wants protected at all cost to the rest of the beef industry. We have proven our system to the world and we can hold our heads high can you say that?
 

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