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[nortexsook]

Here's a slogan for ya:

"ETHANOL - If ya like what it does for small engines you'll LOVE what it does to Feeder Calf Markets"[/b]

Now I think we are getting glimpse of insight here. :wink:

Here's another slogan I have heard many times before. "Cheap corn makes cheap cattle".

Probably what some farmer made up on his way home from the FSA office with his acreage check.

 

[leanin' H]

When you talk to folks who you respect, men who are mechanics and know what they are talking about, and they tell you to stay away from ethanol if possible, I tend to listen! Then when you read article after article questioning the need to make fuel out of food when we have oil sands and oil shale and off-shore oil and enough coal to power America for 200 years and, here it comes......Nuclear power if we'd build a plant this century, you start to kind of tend to agree that using corn is kind of fishy. Guess that makes me a shill for the anti-ethanol crowd! :roll: Or maybe it is a researched and thoughtful opinion that should just get dismissed as a west desert knothead. I cant wait til they can use ground beef additive in diesel! Or a prime rib powered post hole digger! Wait a minute........ I got one of those and they are unreliable at best and down right lazy most days! :wink: As long as they dont waste PEPSI pouring it into gasoline tankers, I'll live!

 

[nortexsook]

This'll piss off the cornhuskers on the board:

The best thing that could happen to ag is the government saying starting tomorrow we are ending all ag subsidies. Nobody gets another cent.

We are also ending the ethanol tax credit to ethanol producers.

 

[Faster horses]

Glenn Beck talked about a country really going downhill when they
resort to using FOOD for FUEL...

 

[John SD]

H, I too listen to mechanics who are men I trust and respect. Although he was only a rancher and pig and sheep farmer the handiest guy with a wrench I ever knew as a kid was a very early proponent of ethanol.

I admit I don't read articles about "food vs fuel" because I don't trust the liberals who write those sort of articles. Someone has yet to 'splain to me how the food value of corn somehow vanishes into thin air because the starch element is converted to ethanol. The protein is still there in a concentrated form and still availble for feed. Cattle can fully utilize this protein, swine and poultry less so.

The way I see it, ethanol, solar and wind are all niche markets that serve their purpose but are not a cure-all energy solution to replace fossil fuels. I would like to see major investment made into something like nuclear power which would be able to do the heavy lifting necessary providing power for industry and home use. It's an understatement that further development of nuclear power will face stiff opposition from the greenie and NIMBY crowd.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

Ever treid to fatten cattle on protien?

 

[John SD]

The best thing that could happen to ag is the government saying starting tomorrow we are ending all ag subsidies. Nobody gets another cent.

We are also ending the ethanol tax credit to ethanol producers.

Congrats nortexsook! This is one post you have made I can agree with 100%.

 

[John SD]

Ever treid to fatten cattle on protien?

No, but then again as a cow/calf guy my first priority is not to fatten cattle. I try to grow frame on my calves which does require protein. They have to fatten on with good hay and summer grass.

Although I'm not a "grass fed" beef advocate per se, the beef I eat ends up that way because I'm too cheap to feed corn when it is expensive.

 

[burnt]

Glenn Beck talked about a country really going downhill when they
resort to using FOOD for FUEL...

Here in southern Ontario there is a highways department that is experimentally using soy oil as an asphalt sealant to extend road surface life.

Soybeans to make the roads on which we drive our cars and trucks. Corn to make the fuel to run them . . .

I think we could take from this that all food is way too cheap.

 

[leanin' H]

H, I too listen to mechanics who are men I trust and respect. Although he was only a rancher and pig and sheep farmer the handiest guy with a wrench I ever knew as a kid was a very early proponent of ethanol.

I admit I don't read articles about "food vs fuel" because I don't trust the liberals who write those sort of articles. Someone has yet to 'splain to me how the food value of corn somehow vanishes into thin air because the starch element is converted to ethanol. The protein is still there in a concentrated form and still availble for feed. Cattle can fully utilize this protein, swine and poultry less so.

The way I see it, ethanol, solar and wind are all niche markets that serve their purpose but are not a cure-all energy solution to replace fossil fuels. I would like to see major investment made into something like nuclear power which would be able to do the heavy lifting necessary providing power for industry and home use. It's an understatement that further development of nuclear power will face stiff opposition from the greenie and NIMBY crowd.

John, I respect your opinion. We all can always learn stuff if we allow ourselves to listen and process what we hear. While we might disagree 1% of the time, I'll bet we wouldnt vary too much the rest of the time. I still feel corn as energy for cars and trucks is not the answer. I'll take my corn in flakes with milk, in corn bread, in corn nuts and as the finishing touch on a choice piece of beef. I'll take wind and water and solar and coal and oil and nuclear when it comes to electrons. And just so ya know, I spend a infinietly small amount of time reading anything written by liberals. :lol: I just mostly color when a book is involved. :wink:

 

[John SD]

Thank LH, I agree with you 99% of the time and have the utmost respect for you also. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

We have probably both read a lot of posts by that guy at another site who up till recently worked at troubleshooting problems in ethanol plants. I agree with his statements that ethanol should be viewed as a supplement to the nation's fuel supply rather than a replacement. I would add solar and wind to that idea.

There is no way that solar and wind power can replace what fossil fuel fired power plants produce now and what power needs will be in the future. Designed and implemented properly, nuclear reactors could supply almost unlimited electric power. But nobody wants to live around them just because or because they remember the mistakes from Three Mile Island and Cherynobl.

PS, unless it's that "throwback" stuff or diet, that Pepsi you're drinkin' is chock full of high fructose corn syrup made from corn! :shock: :lol:

 

[nortexsook]

John, I sure don't think Beck is a liberal.

I myself used to be a republican, now I'd say Libertarian or Strict Constitutionalist.

Think Ron Paul.

I do however believe we are all entitled to our opinions and welcome opposing views, but sure haven't been remotely swayed by any of the pro-ethanol arguments I have seen.

 

[John SD]

nortexsook, I will agree to disagree with you too on the ethanol deal.

I admit I am not familiar with Beck and haven't followed him at all.

I have listened to Rush Limbaugh on and off over many years. Although he is on the mark on many things, I was extremely disappointed to learn that Rush had made some "public service announcements" for HSUS. What the heck was he thinking?

I am a registered Republican. I voted for Ross Perot when he ran against George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton. I regretted that decision ever since and resolved not to ever throw away my vote again on a third party candidate that did not have a snowball's chance of winning. What we have now makes Bill Clinton look good.

I digress way off topic here. I apologize to the moderator for my part in steering this discussion on to a course that would be more suited to PB. This will be my last post in this thread.

 

[Denny]

I wonder if some of the problems come from areas with higher humidity?

No we have high humidity and I have no problems and I run it thru my quads,generator,lawnmower,chainsaw and on occasion a boat motor.

 

[floyd]

Now don't be dissing the corn & soybean welfare queens. Why they could not make it without their welfare.

Ever notice when the price the welfare queens get for their HIGHLY SUBSIDIZED crops goes up so do the inputs?

 

[Anonymous]

USGC Confident in Supply of US Feed Grains
The U.S. Department of Agriculture on Friday released its World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates (WASDE) reflecting the third-largest corn crop and yield on record. While this month's report lowers U.S. corn yield and production estimates from the previous month, U.S. Grains Council President and CEO Thomas C. Dorr said these market challenges will be addressed.

"U.S. farmers have always responded to market signals and have been able to produce an adequate supply to meet market demand. This has established the United States' position in the global marketplace as a reliable, long-term supplier of coarse grains and co-products," said Dorr.

In 2008, the United States produced 12.1 billion bushels with an average yield of 153.9 bushels per acre. Today, WASDE forecasts 12.7 billion bushels with an average yield of 155.8 bushels per acre.

"The Council does not anticipate these production levels will dramatically alter the U.S. position in the global marketplace in the long-term. In the short-term, however, it will have an effect on price and we need to be sensitive to that," said Dorr.

Increased consumption for ethanol use resulted in the simultaneous creation of more than 30 million metric tons of distiller's dried grains with solubles (DDGS), a high-value feed product for domestic and international livestock producers. Initial 2010 export projections of 6.2 million tons of DDGS will be surpassed this calendar year as the United States gears up to export approximately 8 million tons. China alone captured more than 2.5 million tons of U.S. DDGS so far this calendar year with an anticipated increase to more than 3 million tons in 2011.

"This week, more than 500 producers, suppliers, importers and end-users of U.S. DDGS and coarse grains from around the world gathered in Chicago to discuss the rapidly evolving distiller's grains market. This indicates to me the firm commitment to the production and use of this high-quality protein product," said Dorr.


Source: U.S. Grains Council
Posted by Haylie Shipp