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DJ US Senators Try To Block Expansion Of Canada Cattle Trade



12:23 PM, October 4, 2007

By Bill Tomson

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Agriculture Online



WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--Eight U.S. senators have sponsored legislation to try

to bar the U.S. Department of Agriculture from lifting its ban on Canadian

cattle 30 months of age or older as well as meat from those cattle.




Sens. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., John Enzi, R-Wyo., Kent Conrad, D-N.D., Tim

Johnson, D-S.D., John Thune, R-S.D., Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, John Tester,

D-Mont., and John Barrasso, R-Wyo., introduced the bill - called a resolution

of disapproval - in the Senate Wednesday.



Dorgan, in a prepared statement released Thursday, said he does not believe

Canada can effectively keep out of the U.S. cattle infected with bovine

spongiform encephalopathy, or mad-cow disease.



"The Bush Administration based its decision to allow these imports to resume

on overly optimistic assumptions regarding the scope of Canada's mad-cow

problem and the effectiveness of Canada's efforts to control, prevent and

eradicate it," Dorgan said.



On Sept. 14 the U.S. Department of Agriculture unveiled its plan to allow

older Canadian cattle across the border, but imports aren't scheduled to resume

until Nov. 19.



The U.S. has banned the older, or "cull cattle," since Canada reported its

first case of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad-cow disease, in May

2003.



The U.S. lifted its ban on cattle younger than 30 months, which are the bulk

of Canadian exports, in July 2005 because those younger cattle are believed to

be far less likely to be infected with BSE.



USDA Chief Veterinary Officer John Clifford, during a Sept. 14 press

conference, told reporters even if a BSE-infected animal were imported "a

series of multiple safeguards" in the U.S. would prevent the spread of the

neurological disease.



Humans can contract BSE through contamination of the food supply.



The USDA has predicted 75,000 head of the older cattle - usually too decrepit

to produce milk anymore - would be sent to the U.S. for slaughter in 2008 once

the ban is lifted. That amount, USDA said, would rise to 161,000 head per year

by 2012.



Dorgan's resolution of disapproval may get "expedited consideration" in the

Senate if 30 senators sign on, according to the statement released by Dorgan's

office. "If the resolution is enacted, it would prevent the ... USDA from

implementing its plan to ease age restrictions on imported Canadian cattle and

beef."




-By Bill Tomson, Dow Jones Newswires



agriculture.com
 
Sandhusker said:
Grandad said:
That news must give you a warm fuzzy feeling eh?

It's refreshing to see that somebody in DC is holding the USDA accountable.

I'd feel better if I could get our complete state delegation signed on...Rehberg and Tester are both sponsors-(Rehberg of H.J. Res 55 and Tester of S.J. Res. 20)-now I'm working on Baucus because as Chairman of the Finance committee he has a lot of pull concerning these trade/import/export rules...Been trying to call him- no luck today--sent him an e-mail...If nothing else, I urged him to hold up the Rule 2 until M-COOL (which he's a co-sponsor on) is implemented so that the US consumers can have an informed choice- and we'll have a more transparent segregation of beef for our export customers...

He's pretty much a free trade backer- and has been using the excuse that we need to open up to Canada, so Japan and Korea will too-- but I sense a feeling of frustration he's getting with them...

I like to take an opportunity regularly to remind him that Rule 2 doesn't fall under any OIE guidelines, that half the countries of the world think OIE is a joke and don't follow them anyway- so what we or they do won't change anything with those countries-----and then gently remind him he's up for reelection- and that it won't be any Japanese, or Koreans, or Canucks that will be casting votes for or against him.... :wink: :lol:
 
Don,t be shooting the tires off anymore of those cannuk cattleliners OT :!: I think they will be going down Empty and going north loaded :wink: Last projection of Loonie this week is $1.10 U.S. within 2 years. Finally I,ll get a break on those MDG Two-Fours I like so much :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
cowzilla said:
Don,t be shooting the tires off anymore of those cannuk cattleliners OT :!: I think they will be going down Empty and going north loaded :wink: Last projection of Loonie this week is $1.10 U.S. within 2 years. Finally I,ll get a break on those MDG Two-Fours I like so much :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No worry-- GW and the neocon elites have a plan for that too...Won't be any Loonies or Toonies pretty soon...You can all sing "God Save King George"...... :(


'Amero coming within decade'
Strategist expects currency changes as Canadian dollar matches greenback

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: October 5, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com




BankIntroductions.com, a Canadian company that specializes in global banking strategies and currency consulting, is advising clients that the amero may be the currency of North America within the next 10 years.

"The amero would compete against other regional currency blocks," BankIntroductions.com says. "At present, with the Canadian dollar approaching par, more talk for an amero currency unit will become popular in Canada."

The company says that with the successful implementation of NAFTA, "the one dragging component for the amero will be Mexico, but in time this will change."

"Implementation of the amero currency may actually give Mexico an economic boost, thus helping to alleviate Mexican immigration pressures into the United States for those Mexicans seeking financial gain," BankIntroductions.com advises.

full story:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57980
 
Ain't gonna happen Oldtimer. Cargill and Tyson have the conventional cattle and beef industry in Canada, right where they want them. Do you guys ever read a market report from this side of the 49th? That border wil open and the Canadian cow numbers will drop even further than the BS numbers that we are being fed as we speak. Won't be any cull cows coming your way Oldtimer - except in a Cargill or Tyson reefer ---- and you won't even know which ones are theirs. Your senators may be able to stop our purebred stock - if that is truly what you want, but they ain't got a hope in hell of stopping the reefers. Did you stop them when the fed cattle salmon run was on Old boy?
 
Anythings possible Kaiser-- and the USDA's credibility, reliability, and their entire ability to function as a health and safety oversight bureaucracy is being questioned right now by Congress with all these beef and food recalls-- which I also reminded the Honorable Senator about.....
 
If you have been in the Cattle business in Canada for the last 30 years those are the two things you look at first, U.S. $ and fat steer price.
 
Also agree with Rkaiser don,t see as many culls as stats Can. Lots of the real Old Girls are in the bush :shock: :shock: :shock: sleeeeeeeeeping :wink: :wink:
 
Sept 27th- Glasgow Mt...

Utility & Commercial $45.00-$50.75
Cutter & Canner Cows $38.00-$46.00

September 26, 2007 - Assiniboia

D1 & D2 Cows Avg. 0.35 And Sold Up To 0.40
D3 Cows Avg. 0.30 And Sold Up To 0.35

This is our closest yard for comparison-- Our prices since USDA announced the opening have dropped about $10..Bulls a little more...The folks at the Yards and the buyers have said the only thing they can see to cause the drop is the anticipation of the border opening to old beef-- since otherwise the cull market has been strong all year long.....
Even if there are not cows that qualify to come into the country-- the fact that the beef can will/is downwardly affecting our cull market....

August 23- Glasgow
Utility & Commercial $50.00-$57.50
Cutter & Canner Cows-$45.00-$50.00
 
Come on Oldtimer - are you saying the border opening and not the falling American dollar - the credit crunch - and the cost of feed grains are not affecting your markets. Sometimes I wonder why I even try. The OTM boxed beef that will come your way will only offset some of the imported Brazilian hoof and mouth shirt and it will not affect your prices. But it is evident that you will never quit. Is the 4 cent drop in American live cattle futures due to the rule 2 announcement as well?
 
rkaiser said:
Come on Oldtimer - are you saying the border opening and not the falling American dollar - the credit crunch - and the cost of feed grains are not affecting your markets. Sometimes I wonder why I even try. The OTM boxed beef that will come your way will only offset some of the imported Brazilian hoof and mouth s*** and it will not affect your prices. But it is evident that you will never quit. Is the 4 cent drop in American live cattle futures due to the rule 2 announcement as well?

The dollar had been falling since 2001, and that is a positive for domestic prices as it makes imports more expensive. Corn has been trending down since February, and the credit crunch so far has been limited to certain mortgages - and actually made it cheaper to do business for everybody else via the rate cut.
 
The govs own study shows that it will affect prices! (and not just for the Montanans)

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/hot_issues/bse/downloads/EconomicAnalysisAPHIS-2006-0041.pdf

Cull cattle/processing beef. Projected cull cattle imports from Canada are converted to their processing beef equivalent using projected carcass weights for cows, bulls, and stags, as shown in the note to Table II.

Consumers (buyers of processing beef at the wholesale level) can
be expected to benefit from welfare gains and producers (sellers of processing beef at the wholesale level) can be expected to bear welfare losses due to the cull cattle imports.
The present value of the welfare changes in 2006 dollars when using a 3 percent discount rate would be $1.24 billion in consumer gains, $657 million in producer losses, for a net benefit of about $587 million. Annualized values over the five years, in 2006 dollars when using a 3 percent discount rate, would be consumer gains of $271 million, producer losses of $143 million, and net benefits of $128 million.
 
Border Closed= record high prices calves, fats, and culls
Border opened to UTM-- all are less--fats and calves take biggest hit
Border opening to OTM Beef/cattle-- cull and bull prices dropping after having a constant good couple of years...

Yep-- Its just a matter of supply and demand---with the border opening the packers know they have more supply available---demand the same (or probably smaller with those that don't want to take the risk of unlabeled higher risk Canadian beef)-- so reduced price they'll pay....

I can tell you one thing-- in this part of the country, the opening date (middle of November) did not endure Johanns or GW to anyone--or get the Repubs any votes...Not when Nov 1 is the normal time everyone comes off pasture- weans and ships- and the last part of Nov is when many are preg testing and selling off opens and culls...Just when they expect to make 20% of their yearly income.. :roll: :( :mad:

Lots of talk about GW again selling out our country-- and who the Hell does Johanns think pays his paycheck....
 
rkaiser said:
So are you also saying that the border announcement has already taken money out of the pockets of Montana producers Sandhusker?

I'm saying those three factors that you mentioned should be supporting US cattle prices. Something else lowered them.
 
Feed grain costs will bring up the price of US cattle????? Credit problems bringing down hope of consumer spending will bring up the price of US cattle???? Sandhustler - are you on days off - or do you do that kind of figerin when you are in your bank as well?

Anywhoo - not much any of us can do about it. I don't want to see American producers lose money any more than I want to see Canadians. I personally don't think that your prices will drop but there is no point arguing. If you want your prices to rise - promote exports to other parts of the world, like I am trying to do up here. Your battles against imports are simply a waste of time. The Packer led USDA will decide. If your senators manage to stop live cattle from crossing the border confrigingradulations - you don't have a hope in hell of stoping the boxes. Just like three or four months after the border closed in the first place.
 

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