Rule 2 Blockage may be Expedited

[Sandhusker]

Feed grain costs will bring up the price of US cattle????? Credit problems bringing down hope of consumer spending will bring up the price of US cattle???? Sandhustler - are you on days off - or do you do that kind of figerin when you are in your bank as well?

Anywhoo - not much any of us can do about it. I don't want to see American producers lose money any more than I want to see Canadians. I personally don't think that your prices will drop but there is no point arguing. If you want your prices to rise - promote exports to other parts of the world, like I am trying to do up here. Your battles against imports are simply a waste of time. The Packer led USDA will decide. If your senators manage to stop live cattle from crossing the border confrigingradulations - you don't have a hope in hell of stoping the boxes. Just like three or four months after the border closed in the first place.

Feed grain price have been going DOWN since Feb., Randy.

To help with the crunch, the Fed. lowered rates by half a percent. While that is inflationary long term, it helps consumers short term. The NYSE just set a new high last week - what does that tell you about concerns of slowed consumer spending?

We're not battling imports per se. We import beef from something like 30 countries and we get called protectionists for challenging the wisdom of importing from just 1 of those countries? That's like calling somebody a vegan for not eating hot dogs.

I've asked ANYBODY to explain how the new rule will prevent Canadian BSE from entering our country, and NOBODY has stepped up. Until somebody does, I don't see how they have any room to say R-CALF is wrong on this issue. I say prove R-CALF wrong or clam up.

 

[Kato]

It's funny that up here we're being told that the market is not going to change for us with the new rule. Yet you say the sky is going to fall for you. It can't be both ways. :?

With the post 1999 birthdate requirement, only cattle just barely over 30 months who got enrolled in the age verification, and purebreds with registered birthdates are going to be eligible for export.

Add an over par dollar, and it ain't goin to happen guys.

Rule two is not going to allow BSE into your country because you remove SRM's at slaughter, and you have a feed ban. Right????

 

[katrina]

It just chaps my hiney when it takes a hardship in either grain or cattle for prices to go up......Why can't competion be equal??? Meaning the best get paid more?????

 

[Sandhusker]

Kato, "Rule two is not going to allow BSE into your country because you remove SRM's at slaughter, and you have a feed ban. Right????'

Did that work for you?

 

[Kato]

Removing SRM's is the main route to make ALL beef safe from potential BSE infectivity. American and Canadian.

Yada Yada Yada about our feed ban. You know what they say about glass houses...... Yours has holes in it big enough to drive trucks through. Cross contamination has been the most likely culprit in our post feed ban cases, and that has led to us having a much more stringent feed ban than you are willing or able to catch up to.

We are minimal risk, and you are minimal risk. In the eyes of the world there is no difference between us. To say that Canadian cattle can somehow compromise the U.S. herd is to announce to the whole world that you have no enforceable feed ban. It is to announce to the world that U.S. beef is not safe. Why do these politicians want to make such announcements? Are they not concerned about your livelihoods either? I bet your trade delegates get the shivers every time these guys start up with their trademark protectionist antics.

Senator Dorgan is busy running around blocking Canadian imports, while the parking lots in the malls in Minot, Grand Forks, and Fargo are filled to the edges with Canadian licence plates. I guess for him, trade is truely a one way street, just as it is with some others I won't name. :roll: He should come home to North Dakota once in a while and ask the merchants in these stores if they think Canada is a good trading partner, and if they want the Canadians to keep their money at home too.

 

[don]

gotta love byron dorgan. living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

 

[Sandhusker]

Kato, "Yada Yada Yada about our feed ban. You know what they say about glass houses...... Yours has holes in it big enough to drive trucks through. Cross contamination has been the most likely culprit in our post feed ban cases, and that has led to us having a much more stringent feed ban than you are willing or able to catch up to.

So then how does it make any sense to import BSE carrying cattle? That comment supports Dorgan.

Kato, "We are minimal risk, and you are minimal risk. In the eyes of the world there is no difference between us. To say that Canadian cattle can somehow compromise the U.S. herd is to announce to the whole world that you have no enforceable feed ban. It is to announce to the world that U.S. beef is not safe. Why do these politicians want to make such announcements? Are they not concerned about your livelihoods either? I bet your trade delegates get the shivers every time these guys start up with their trademark protectionist antics. "

If there is no difference in the eyes of the world, why was Korea so adamant that we seperate Canadian sourced beef from ours? Also, the "rest of the story" with US having the OIE's "mimimal risk" designation has been explained here more than once.

Kato, PSenator Dorgan is busy running around blocking Canadian imports, while the parking lots in the malls in Minot, Grand Forks, and Fargo are filled to the edges with Canadian licence plates. I guess for him, trade is truely a one way street, just as it is with some others I won't name. He should come home to North Dakota once in a while and ask the merchants in these stores if they think Canada is a good trading partner, and if they want the Canadians to keep their money at home too."

You're just like the USDA, trade is more important than safety or following laws. That's not the philosophy that I suscribe to.

 

[Sandhusker]

I just sent off a note to Sen. Dorgan and to my senators on the USDA's "questionable" stance that we have the safeguards to catch any BSE that may be imported. I used Kato's quote on our feed ban, " Yours has holes in it big enough to drive trucks through." and attributed it to a "Pro-trade Canadian producer" to demonstrate that even some Canadians don't believe the USDA.

Thanks for the help, Kato.

 

[Tam]

Sandhusker, if we are to believe you and your countrymen/Senators that consumers are at much less of a risk by eating US beef, Please explain a few things
1. We all know the US has BSE within their herd, Washington Texas and Alabama proved that. SO, what stopped the spread of something that was circulating within your herd ?

2. If it is/was your "effective firewalls" like some in the US once claimed was the reason US consumers need not worry, why can't those same effective firewalls stop imported BSE?

3. What is protecting the US consumer both Domestic and Foreign from something that the World knows was circulating within the US system, BSE?

4. Have you wrote a letter to Dorgan to insist that the US ban US beef until your firewalls are upgraded as not to be risking US consumers both Domestic and Foreign from US BORN AND BRED BSE?

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandhusker, if we are to believe you and your countrymen/Senators that consumers are at much less of a risk by eating US beef, Please explain a few things
1. We all know the US has BSE within their herd, Washington Texas and Alabama proved that. SO, what stopped the spread of something that was circulating within your herd ?

2. If it is/was your "effective firewalls" like some in the US once claimed was the reason US consumers need not worry, why can't those same effective firewalls stop imported BSE?

3. What is protecting the US consumer both Domestic and Foreign from something that the World knows was circulating within the US system, BSE?

4. Have you wrote a letter to Dorgan to insist that the US ban US beef until your firewalls are upgraded as not to be risking US consumers both Domestic and Foreign from US BORN AND BRED BSE?

I can answer all your questions with one comment. I have contacted my lawmakers on the problems with our feed ban and the need to shore it up.

 

[Bill]

I just sent off a note to Sen. Dorgan and to my senators on the USDA's "questionable" stance that we have the safeguards to catch any BSE that may be imported. I used Kato's quote on our feed ban, " Yours has holes in it big enough to drive trucks through." and attributed it to a "Pro-trade Canadian producer" to demonstrate that even some Canadians don't believe the USDA.

Thanks for the help, Kato.

I just popped in for a visit to see what the R-Stooges are up too and surprise, surprise surprise not much has changed. :roll: Sadhusker has sent a "note" off to a Senator quotng an annonymous poster from a chat site. WOW that ought to make things happen at the VERY highest of levels! :lol:

I can just see it now signed Sadhusker, a wanna-be-rancher/R-Klanner/Jr. Banker who can't get down to the bank fast enough every morning to use the banks time and computer to try dig up some dirt on Canadians. THEN to top it all off, he uses a Canadian's picture (Mike Myers) as his signature.

It's really too bad so many people who actually brought something worthwhile to this site have moved on.

 

[Sandhusker]

You're right, Bill, nothing has changed. There has yet for anybody to explain how the USDA is right about the effective date of your feed ban OR how the rule will not allow BSE to enter our herd via the holes in our feed ban. Kato is even making our arguements for us! Yet - we're out of line for challenging the idea..... :roll: Geeeeeeeeeeze.

Do you want to step up to the adult's table and try again, or are you more comfortable standing in the back farting and giggling with the name calling?

 

[Anonymous]

Its just as the post flounder posted-- by Mr. Rodriquez, who is an international trader-- but can see the hazard to the US and Mexican herds as well as the consumers. He says the exact thing I saw- and have said for years- and that anyone with any history in the cattle world knows is true....That is how Canada got such a higher rate of BSE--continuing to import the Continental cattle when the US had closed them off because of health restrictions--mostly FMD.....Pure Simple GREED-- and some profited big time off selling Simmi, Limi, Saler, etal semen and offspring to the US-- but now they also want to stick us with the problem their GREED brought them...

Regarding BSE - We have 3 nations involved, one has no reported cases (Mexico), one has nine cases (Canada) the other has three cases (US).


As I understand it, the problem came from Europe when Canada was the primary importer of European cattle during the "exotic cattle craze" of the 60-70's. The vast majority of the imported animals stayed in Canada, and the subsequent generations were exported to the US and Mexico as well.

As these animals died in Canada, some went into commercially available feedstuff as a result of meat, bone and blood meals being used to feed other ruminants. Once the problem became evident in Europe, Canada and the US placed bans on the use of ruminant source meals to be fed to other ruminants. The problem arises when animals born after those bans were in effect are still coming up with thedisease in Canada.

 

[Bill]

You're right, Bill, nothing has changed. There has yet for anybody to explain how the USDA is right about the effective date of your feed ban OR how the rule will not allow BSE to enter our herd via the holes in our feed ban. Kato is even making our arguements for us! Yet - we're out of line for challenging the idea..... :roll: Geeeeeeeeeeze.

Do you want to step up to the adult's table and try again, or are you more comfortable standing in the back farting and giggling with the name calling?

Pssssst. L'il tidbit for 'ya Sadhusker. The reason there is finally room for you at the "big peoples table" is that most of us adults have left the Ranchers.net table and are busy at work. I know that's a difficult concept for a banker that spends half the day everyday on a chat site to grasp.

Carry on with the other R-Stooges while the adults try to find solutions to the real issues facing producers.

 

[HAY MAKER]

I just sent off a note to Sen. Dorgan and to my senators on the USDA's "questionable" stance that we have the safeguards to catch any BSE that may be imported. I used Kato's quote on our feed ban, " Yours has holes in it big enough to drive trucks through." and attributed it to a "Pro-trade Canadian producer" to demonstrate that even some Canadians don't believe the USDA.

Thanks for the help, Kato.

I just popped in for a visit

to see what the R-Stooges are up too and surprise, surprise surprise not much has changed. :roll: Sadhusker has sent a "note" off to a Senator quotng an annonymous poster from a chat site. WOW that ought to make things happen at the VERY highest of levels! :lol:

I can just see it now signed Sadhusker, a wanna-be-rancher/R-Klanner/Jr. Banker who can't get down to the bank fast enough every morning to use the banks time and computer to try dig up some dirt on Canadians. THEN to top it all off, he uses a Canadian's picture (Mike Myers) as his signature.

It's really too bad so many people who actually brought something worthwhile to this site have moved on.

OK you popped in,..........now how bout popin out
good luck

 

[Sandhusker]

You're right, Bill, nothing has changed. There has yet for anybody to explain how the USDA is right about the effective date of your feed ban OR how the rule will not allow BSE to enter our herd via the holes in our feed ban. Kato is even making our arguements for us! Yet - we're out of line for challenging the idea..... :roll: Geeeeeeeeeeze.

Do you want to step up to the adult's table and try again, or are you more comfortable standing in the back farting and giggling with the name calling?

Pssssst. L'il tidbit for 'ya Sadhusker. The reason there is finally room for you at the "big peoples table" is that most of us adults have left the Ranchers.net table and are busy at work. I know that's a difficult concept for a banker that spends half the day everyday on a chat site to grasp.

Carry on with the other R-Stooges while the adults try to find solutions to the real issues facing producers.

Is the reason you just go on personal attacks because you don't have anything intelligent to say on the topic, you don't understand the topic, or you don't even know what the topic is?

You see, Bill, some of us have jobs where we're already working on computers - it takes us just a second to click over and see if, say, those of you who think the USDA is right can actually offer an arguement supporting their reasoning. I don't have to come in, have Momma come turn the contraption on for me, show me AGAIN how to find Ranchers and then do a one finger keyboard peck on a post that just consists of juvinile taunts and has nothing of substance.

Now, R-CALF says the new rule will import Canadian BSE into this country and certain Senators agree. AGAIN, I offer you the chance to refute them.

 

[Tam]

You're right, Bill, nothing has changed. There has yet for anybody to explain how the USDA is right about the effective date of your feed ban OR how the rule will not allow BSE to enter our herd via the holes in our feed ban. Kato is even making our arguements for us! Yet - we're out of line for challenging the idea..... :roll: Geeeeeeeeeeze.

Do you want to step up to the adult's table and try again, or are you more comfortable standing in the back farting and giggling with the name calling?

Pssssst. L'il tidbit for 'ya Sadhusker. The reason there is finally room for you at the "big peoples table" is that most of us adults have left the Ranchers.net table and are busy at work. I know that's a difficult concept for a banker that spends half the day everyday on a chat site to grasp.

Carry on with the other R-Stooges while the adults try to find solutions to the real issues facing producers.

Is the reason you just go on personal attacks because you don't have anything intelligent to say on the topic, you don't understand the topic, or you don't even know what the topic is?

You see, Bill, some of us have jobs where we're already working on computers - it takes us just a second to click over and see if, say, those of you who think the USDA is right can actually offer an arguement supporting their reasoning. I don't have to come in, have Momma come turn the contraption on for me, show me AGAIN how to find Ranchers and then do a one finger keyboard peck on a post that just consists of juvinile taunts and has nothing of substance.

Now, R-CALF says the new rule will import Canadian BSE into this country and certain Senators agree. AGAIN, I offer you the chance to refute them.

Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, "Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?"

Nothing, which really l makes it assinine to import more, doesn't it? Unless, of course, you can explain how we wouldn't be importing more or how we would be catching all we import. Can you do that, Tam? Can you explain how R-CALF and Senator Dorgan are wrong?

 

[TimH]

Tam, "Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?"

Nothing, which really l makes it assinine to import more, doesn't it? Unless, of course, you can explain how we wouldn't be importing more or how we would be catching all we import. Can you do that, Tam? Can you explain how R-CALF and Senator Dorgan are wrong?

Is it R-calf's official position that there is NOTHING stopping the spread of domestic USA BSE?? :???: :shock: :shock: :shock:

 

[Sandhusker]

Tam, "Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?"

Nothing, which really l makes it assinine to import more, doesn't it? Unless, of course, you can explain how we wouldn't be importing more or how we would be catching all we import. Can you do that, Tam? Can you explain how R-CALF and Senator Dorgan are wrong?

Is it R-calf's official position that there is NOTHING stopping the spread of domestic USA BSE?? :???: :shock: :shock: :shock:

No