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Sandhusker said:
TimH said:
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?"

Nothing, which really l makes it assinine to import more, doesn't it? Unless, of course, you can explain how we wouldn't be importing more or how we would be catching all we import. Can you do that, Tam? Can you explain how R-CALF and Senator Dorgan are wrong?

Is it R-calf's official position that there is NOTHING stopping the spread of domestic USA BSE?? :???: :shock: :shock: :shock:

No

Please do expand........ what is r-calf's official position on this matter, was the "NOTHING" comment only your personal opinion?? Exactly what is stopping the spread of domestic BSE in the US of A????

............alamand left............. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
Please do expand........ what is r-calf's official position on this matter, was the "NOTHING" comment only your personal opinion?? Exactly what is stopping the spread of domestic BSE in the US of A????

If you want to know R-CALF's official position on anything, go to www.r-calfusa.com.

Maybe I should of said, "Nothing that's bound to work". To stop the spread of BSE, we've got the same feed ban that you had - the one you had to tighten because it didn't work. Mayne you can explain to me why it will work down here when it didn't work up there?
 
Sandhusker said:
Please do expand........ what is r-calf's official position on this matter, was the "NOTHING" comment only your personal opinion?? Exactly what is stopping the spread of domestic BSE in the US of A????

If you want to know R-CALF's official position on anything, go to www.r-calfusa.com.

Maybe I should of said, "Nothing that's bound to work". To stop the spread of BSE, we've got the same feed ban that you had - the one you had to tighten because it didn't work. Mayne you can explain to me why it will work down here when it didn't work up there?


.......DANCE,DANCE, DANCE........... :D :D :D :D ....
 
No Tim, it's SPIN SPIN SPIN.... :D

As I understand it, the problem came from Europe when Canada was the primary importer of European cattle during the "exotic cattle craze" of the 60-70's. The vast majority of the imported animals stayed in Canada, and the subsequent generations were exported to the US and Mexico as well.

BSE wasn't an issue in the 60's and 70's. We stopped importing British cattle in 1990, about 2 years after you did. At the time, there were not very many live cattle coming over anyway. The cow that hit our radar in 93 came over in the 80's. To put a little perspective on it, at the time we were all trying to stop cattle from being infected. As far as anyone knew we were dealing with a scrapie type disease at the time. Feed transmission was just one of many theories being tossed about at the time. The link to humans did not hit the radar until 1996. This is why the feed bans started up at about this time too.

The argument I have made for you is to get with the times and improve your feedban. How can you say our enhanced ban isn't working? Why wouldn't it? It eliminates the chance of cross contamination competely. Read the regulations on the cfia website and see for yourself.

Maybe you can pass another quote on to Sen.Dorgan for me eh? Ask him if it's safe for us to import corn from the U.S. that's been fertilized with manure from your loophole filled feed ban. :wink: There have been carloads after carloads coming up here this fall. Oh ya, I forgot, :P that's OK, because the Interstate only handles trucks going north loaded and passenger cars coming south to shop. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
Kato, "The argument I have made for you is to get with the times and improve your feedban. How can you say our enhanced ban isn't working? Why wouldn't it? It eliminates the chance of cross contamination competely. Read the regulations on the cfia website and see for yourself. "

I haven't said your enhanced feed ban isn't working. Only time will tell. However, there's no denying your old ban didn't work. You have 5 post-ban positives and a tightened ban as proof.

Still, I'm amazed at how you can tell us about the holes in our feed ban, but ridicule those who, in effect, agree with you! You say our ban isn't good enough to stop BSE, but that we should import cattle that could be carrying the very disease that our ban can't stop! It's like claiming that the brakes on the car aren't good enough to stop it, but the person who says not to take it on the road trip is wrong! :shock:
 
Sorry i have been busy with winter coming and all. But if rule 2 allows more cows into your US based plants and more people are working and spending money won't that help you floundering economy or is a depression what r-calf wants for the US. I thought r-calf wanted more prosperity not less :?
In all reality do opponents of rule 2 really think the salmon run is still on on OTM cows. Sorry but too late. High risk dehablitated cows are not even allowed on trucks anyways or the trucking companies are setting themselves up for big fines and i don't think with thin margins businesses are willing to take the chances of losing money on hauling those type of cows.
As for myself last week i just did some math and got another 30 cows at a cow sale 2nd and 3rd calvers good thick deep cows bred for march calves top ends cost me 700 Can $, 550-600 $ for middles, i saw alot of the older cows and later bred cows sell at the $400 - 450 mark. With these type of bred prices you can still make a decent dollar even with the lower calf prices. As for feeding them i bought up some more good hay 5X6 hard core brome/alfalfa for $20 a bale placed on my yard.
In the end it all come down to math and profit making, sorry to say but if you do it there won't be a flood of canadian cattle heading stateside that is just reality. Besides find a canadian cow positive and you guys can get the border shut for years again all you have to do is find one, just one and if it is as bad up here as r-calf claims that should happen in a few days after the border opens. Or is it that r-calf knows it won't happen?
A question will a small group of senators provide the majority needed to vote to keep the border closed i thought there were more than 9 or 10 needed get something done. Or is it that they are yodelling so they can get reelected. I don't see those northern stae senators crying about all the canadian shoppers coming south why not stop canadians from going south to spend money and help the US economy?
 
Oldtimer said:
.....Pure Simple GREED-- and some profited big time off selling Simmi, Limi, Saler, etal semen and offspring to the US-- but now they also want to stick us with the problem their GREED brought them... :( :mad:

Some examples - provided by Oldtimer.

Oldtimer said:
Why were US cattlemen buying European cattle and then importing them into Canada, rather than the US- many of which had to pay to put them in bull studs so they could use them
http://ranchers.net/forum/post-134035.html#134035


Oldtimer said:
and some of these imported cattle in Canada were owned by US owners

Oldtimer also quoted and bolded this:
Oldtimer said:
Heres from the Saler website:
In the late 1960's and early 1970's, North American cattlemen were looking for new breeds to improve American beef cattle. In their search, a group of Canadians and Americans were impressed by Salers in France and eventually imported the first Salers bull, Valliant, into Canada in 1972. His semen was sold both in the United States and Canada and a new chapter in efficient beef production was about to begin.
http://ranchers.net/forum/post-133576.html#133576


Oldtimer said:
...Why do you think these US producers were spending big dollars to purchase these exotics, and then boarding them in Canada I'm sure most weren't doing it out of the goodness of their heart to help bring up Canadas economic status
http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=134188#134188



USA AND CANADA IMPORTS OF UK CATTLE BETWEEN 1981 - 1989
USA = 496
CANADA = 198
*add 14 to 198 as last UK import to Canada, 14 in 1990

http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/sci/ahra/bseris/bserise.pdf


UK Exports of Live Cattle by Value 1986-96
USA 697 LIVE CATTLE
CANADA 299 LIVE CATTLE

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11f/tab11.pdf
 
Tam said:
Sandhusker said:
Bill said:
Pssssst. L'il tidbit for 'ya Sadhusker. The reason there is finally room for you at the "big peoples table" is that most of us adults have left the Ranchers.net table and are busy at work. I know that's a difficult concept for a banker that spends half the day everyday on a chat site to grasp.

Carry on with the other R-Stooges while the adults try to find solutions to the real issues facing producers.

Is the reason you just go on personal attacks because you don't have anything intelligent to say on the topic, you don't understand the topic, or you don't even know what the topic is?

You see, Bill, some of us have jobs where we're already working on computers - it takes us just a second to click over and see if, say, those of you who think the USDA is right can actually offer an arguement supporting their reasoning. I don't have to come in, have Momma come turn the contraption on for me, show me AGAIN how to find Ranchers and then do a one finger keyboard peck on a post that just consists of juvinile taunts and has nothing of substance.

Now, R-CALF says the new rule will import Canadian BSE into this country and certain Senators agree. AGAIN, I offer you the chance to refute them.

Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?

The biggest thing stopping the spread of BSE is our import laws ,that is why they need to stay intact and be Strengthened.............good luck
 
Quick question: if you guys who believe Creekstone being allowed to test their under 30 month cattle for BSE would result in a credibly BSE free product for export, would you be willing to accept the same deal from Canada?

My point is that an interactive cattle/beef industry between the North American continent nations would benefit many of us. My friends in the north who used to run Mexican calves/yearlings (BTW, currently those cattle are more similar to our breeds than not, for the most part) on grass, others who feed some Mexican cattle, and all of us who want the great Canadian genetics would benefit from a healthy cross-national cattle business, IMO.

BTW, Sandhusker, I don't believe you answered my question as to whether or not cattle producers would benefit if Creekstone DOES get to test cattle for export beef for BSE. If I missed your answer, I'm sorry. So...what was that answer?

mrj
 
Quick question: if you guys who believe Creekstone being allowed to test their under 30 month cattle for BSE would result in a credibly BSE free product for export, would you be willing to accept the same deal from Canada?

Creekstone in fact, tried to expedite the border opening by including Canadian cattle into their proposal to test them all.

I agreed with them then and I agree with them now.
 
mrj said:
Quick question: if you guys who believe Creekstone being allowed to test their under 30 month cattle for BSE would result in a credibly BSE free product for export, would you be willing to accept the same deal from Canada?

My point is that an interactive cattle/beef industry between the North American continent nations would benefit many of us. My friends in the north who used to run Mexican calves/yearlings (BTW, currently those cattle are more similar to our breeds than not, for the most part) on grass, others who feed some Mexican cattle, and all of us who want the great Canadian genetics would benefit from a healthy cross-national cattle business, IMO.

BTW, Sandhusker, I don't believe you answered my question as to whether or not cattle producers would benefit if Creekstone DOES get to test cattle for export beef for BSE. If I missed your answer, I'm sorry. So...what was that answer?

mrj
mrj wrote:
Sandhusker, you harp often about how bad it is that Creekstone is not allowed to test for BSE. How would that testing help cattle producers?

mrj


More sales of beef, some people want tested beef. It's much the same concept as auto makers adding options.
 
MRJ, "Quick question: if you guys who believe Creekstone being allowed to test their under 30 month cattle for BSE would result in a credibly BSE free product for export, would you be willing to accept the same deal from Canada? "

Yes
 
mrj said:
Quick question: if you guys who believe Creekstone being allowed to test their under 30 month cattle for BSE would result in a credibly BSE free product for export, would you be willing to accept the same deal from Canada?

mrj

Yes- if it was all beef of any age and no cattle.....And all beef from Canada should be labeled for country of origin so that consumers have an informed choidce ....We in the US have a BSE feedban that has worked for the amount of risk we have/had-- but that puts into effect that the NCBA called for a voluntary feedban starting back in the 1980's-- which included a voluntary cattle/feed import ban from most European countries-- which was not only voluntary but almost mandatory since the US issued few import permits during that time for cattle or beef products-- which was then made mandatory later......And the fact that even going back before then--we had FMD bans against most of Europe- while Canada was still importing.....

But can we handle the risk that Canada themselves built, by importing cattle from anywhere in the world for years :???: -In which we know they began spreading the disease back as early as 1993.... That is the question--and part of the reason that leads the US Center for Disease Control to conclude that the Canadian cattles risk of BSE is 26 times that of the U.S. :roll: :( :mad: :mad:

I don't care any number which any Canuck sticks up- of their government records on imports...I lived it for years-I was an AI tech breeding cattle to this "save the world" contintentals all the experts were promoting----when we couldn't get access to Continental cattle from all over Europe- unless we imported in semen or offspring from Canada....Somewhere- somehow all these cattle kept coming into Canada- and they were not allowed in the US.....

I'm glad to see Mr. Rodriquz saw it too.....Canada with its continental imports-- which many made a fortune on by getting a step ahead of the US-- imported their own BSE problem...And it shouldn't be our problem to now reward them and endanger US consumers and the US herd for their GREED and mismanagement....... :( :mad:
 
So, Sandhusker, if Creekstone, being a packer exporting beef is good for cattle producers simply because more beef is sold, wouldn't it also be true that that any and all packers exporting beef benefits cattle producers?

mrj
 
mrj said:
So, Sandhusker, if Creekstone, being a packer exporting beef is good for cattle producers simply because more beef is sold, wouldn't it also be true that that any and all packers exporting beef benefits cattle producers?

mrj

Yes
 
Sandhusker said:
Tam, "Again what is stopping the spread of BSE that IS in the US now Sandhusker?"

Nothing, which really l makes it assinine to import more, doesn't it? Unless, of course, you can explain how we wouldn't be importing more or how we would be catching all we import. Can you do that, Tam? Can you explain how R-CALF and Senator Dorgan are wrong?

R-CALF said in their Washington Post ad, "Our high health and safety standards are needed to protect consumers, the beef industry, and U.S. jobs". So Sandhusker what high standards was R-CALF talking about in the Washington Post ad protecting US consumers?

R-CALF wrote in their comments to the USDA on the final ruling that:
Under no circumstances should the United States accept any cattle, beef or beef products, from countries that do not maintain identical or more stringent safeguard measures that is presently required or presently proposed in the United States which measures have been enforced for at least as long as the United States. What safeguards was Canada not meeting or surpassing that are in the US Sandhusker?

This is the famed quote from Leo McDonnell "we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don't worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef". What firewalls were going to protect US consumer when BSE was found in the US? And PLEEAASSEE don't pull yours and Haymaker's usual crap and claim it was import restriction as we are talking about US BORN AND BRED BSE NOT IMPORTED.

If those so called high standards, safeguards and firewalls were in place and could protect US consumers then what has changed that puts US consumer at risk now from imported beef but not US BORN AND BRED BSE infected cattle?

Should the US consumer be eating US beef until you and Dorgan can assure them that you actually have firewalls that are protecting them from your beef?
 
Tam-- Our highest standard-- and the one the USDA and their BSE/TSE committee testified to Congress was our number one protection against BSE-- was our rule to not import beef/cattle from ANY BSE countries.....

Why lessen our standards now...
 
US "Atypical" Mad Cow Threat Was Predicted
By John Stauber
Created 06/14/2006 - 09:33
The small scientific world of prion researchers -- the scientists who investigate "transmissible spongiform encephalopathies" (TSE) such as mad cow disease in cattle and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) in humans -- is abuzz. That's because the two confirmed cases of US mad cow disease in Texas and Alabama are an "atypical" strain different from the British strain but identical to an atypical strain found so far in a small number of cattle in France, Germany, Poland and Sweden. The discovery of "atypical" mad cow disease in the US should not be surprising. Sheldon Rampton and I reported way back in 1997 that very strong evidence of an "atypical" TSE disease infecting US cattle was established by the work of Dr. Richard Marsh, the researcher to whom we dedicated our book Mad Cow USA [1].
Even before Britain confirmed its first case of mad cow, Dr. Marsh of the University of Wisconsin was investigating a similar disease in Stetsonville, Wisconsin, a 1985 outbreak in mink that he traced to Wisconsin dairy cattle. Marsh's published research confirmed suspicions among US scientists since the mid 1960s that the rare but deadly TSE disease in US mink -- transmissible mink encephalopathy or TME -- resulted from their having eaten TSE-infected US cattle.
DID THE US INFECT EUROPE WITH ATYPICAL MAD COW DISEASE?

The discovery that the Texas and Alabama BSE cases are a variant strain identical to EU cases begs the question of whether the atypical EU cases resulted from European cattle being fed infected US feed made from rendered by-products and sold in Europe. After all, the US has been the biggest creator, user and exporter of by-product feed made from slaughterhouse waste. Also, scientists need to examine the TSE isolated by Richard Marsh in mink and traced to Wisconsin cattle, and compare it to the atypical BSE strain found in Texas, Alabama, France, Poland, Germany and Sweden. Is the Stetsonville TSE strain discovered by Richard Marsh the same strain as the US and EU atypical BSE cases, or is it another atypical strain?

Here below is our report on Marsh's discovery in 1985 of an atypical strain of BSE in US cattle from our 1997 book Mad Cow USA [2]. (You can order the book for free from your favorite library and it is for sale in the usual places.)

###

MAD COW USA

(The following excerpt is from Mad Cow USA [3], by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber, pages 154-156:)

The common denominator in all of these [transmissible mink encephalopathy - TME] outbreaks was either "cattle" or "unknown." It was possible, of course, to imagine other scenarios, but Marsh believed he had at least strong circumstantial evidence that a TSE similar to mad cow disease already existed in U.S. cattle. "You can trace it back to feed real easy in mink," Marsh said. "And then you're left with the question, what was it in the feed that affected them? And what we find is it's these downer cows that are the common link. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out."

Within the field of veterinary medicine, "downer cow syndrome" was a
"garbage can" category, used indiscriminately as the official diagnosis for any
animal that died or had to be put down after failing to stand on its own legs
for 24 hours or more. These included cows suffering from paralysis, arthritis,
grass tetany, ketosis, bone fractures, and a form of calcium deficiency known
as "milk fever." Most downer cows died from causes unrelated to the spongi-
form encephalopathies, but it was possible that the generic nature of the clas-
sification enabled some TSE-infected cows to slip into the mix.

It was impossible in practice to absolutely prove the link between downer
cows and transmissible mink encephalopathy. By the time the disease appeared
in mink, any cow that might have been the source would be long gone, its
tissues unavailable for testing. To test his theory, therefore, Marsh did the next
best thing—a series of experiments using brain matter from one of the mink
that had died in the Stetsonville outbreak. He puréed the brain in a blender
and used hypodermic syringes to inject the homogenized liquid into test animals: fourteen healthy mink, eight ferrets, two squirrel monkeys, twelve hamsters, forty-five mice and two Holstein bull calves.

The mice, remarkably, all stayed healthy, but every other species proved
susceptible. The mink went down first, four months after inoculation. The two
monkeys were the next to show neurological signs, at months nine and thirteen
respectively. Two of the twelve hamsters survived, but the other ten succumbed
in the fifteenth and sixteenth months. The two calves went down in months
eighteen and nineteen. The ferrets lasted longest, but eventually the disease
emerged in all but one of them, with incubation periods ranging between
twenty-eight and thirty-eight months. These species barrier effects corresponded
closely to the results from experiments with previous mink outbreaks.

Cattle are expensive test animals, and Marsh's experiments marked the
first time that cattle had been tested for susceptibility to transmissible mink
encephalopathy. His results proved that cattle could get the mink disease, and
in turn led to unexpected new questions. "The real surprise of this experiment
is that the clinical signs were quite different from what we've seen in Great
Britain," he said. "This is what's changed our perspective on a surveillance of
BSE in the United States. We thought BSE in the U.S. would look like BSE in
Great Britain—a mad cow type of disease where the animal would have behav-
ioral changes, become aggressive and look very much like a rabies infection
does in cows."

Marsh's bull calves showed none of the unusual "mad" behavior that
emerged as early warning signs in British cattle. "Eighteen months after
inoculation, one animal simply collapsed in its holding room and could not
be returned to a standing position," he reported. "This animal had shown no
previous signs of behavioral change or loss of body condition. . . . The second
animal was normal until nineteen months after inoculation when it too sud-
denly collapsed."

Indeed, the test bulls behaved exactly like downer cows—the type of ani-
mals which the Stetsonville rancher had been feeding to his mink. "The most
disturbing finding of all is that they have very minimal spongiform lesions in
their brains," Marsh said. In previous experiments with mink, he had shown
that the spongy holes in brains were a secondary effect of the disease which
did not always appear in noticeable quantities. Some mink breeds infected with
TME would develop all of the usual clinical symptoms, but upon autopsy their
brains showed a marked lack of spongiform degeneration. Now it appeared
that cattle could also develop a form of TSE without the telltale lesions to aid
in diagnosis. Their symptoms would look like downer cow syndrome, and
even a brain autopsy might find nothing out of the ordinary.

"Without the brain lesions, the best way to diagnose the infection is a protein in the brain," Marsh said. "But there are only a few labs in the country that can look for this protein. This is not something that can be done by the local veterinarian or even most state diagnostic laboratories. You need to have pretty sophisticated means of testing. This is going to complicate our efforts at surveillance and testing for BSE in thiscountry."

Histopathology and immunohistochemistry tests confirmed that Marsh's
bulls had died of a spongiform encephalopathy, but it was a different strain of
spongiform encephalopathy than the one that was killing cows in England. Its
behavior in test animals showed significant differences also. In England, mice
succumbed when exposed to brain tissue from mad cows, but hamsters seemed
immune. In Marsh's experiments with the Stetsonville isolate of TME, the pattern
was exactly the opposite: mice lived, but hamsters died.

FROM MAD COWS TO MAD MINK AND BACK

To test whether passage through cattle altered the characteristics of the Stetsonville isolate, Marsh injected another 45 mice with brain tissue from his two test bulls. They also stayed healthy, just like the mice he had previously injected with mink brains. By itself, the fact that mink encephalopathy could infect cows was not terribly significant or surprising. After all, scientists had previously shown that TME could be transmitted to a wide variety of other test animals. What was significant was the result when Marsh took the brains of the dead bulls and used them on further tests with healthy mink. When backpassaged into mink, the bull brains behaved exactly the way mink brains behaved, causing symptoms of TME to emerge within four months after exposure by inoculation, or within seven months after oral exposure.

"There was no evidence for any deadaptation of the bovine agent for mink compared to . . . non-bovine-passaged mink brain," Marsh observed. "This suggests that there are no species barrier effects between mink and cattle in relation to the Stetsonville source of
TME" — more evidence pointing to cattle as the source of the infection. "If mink on the Stetsonville ranch were exposed to TME by feeding them infected cattle, there must be an unrecognized scrapie-like disease of cattle in the United States," Marsh concluded. "If this is true, the disease is rare. The low incidencerate of TME and the fact that the Stetsonville mink rancher had fed products from fallen or sick cattle to his animals for the past 35 years suggests a very low prevalence of this disease."

The rarity of the disease, however, did not mean that it posed no danger.
In fact, it could mean the very opposite. Mad cow disease had also been rare
once in England. The very fact that it was rare, combined with its slow incubation period, were the factors that prevented the British from recognizing its dangers until it had already infected tens of thousands of animals. Moreover, the British had an advantage that U.S. farmers might not enjoy. Their strain of bovine spongiform encephalopathy was picked up fairly soon once cattle started behaving strangely. If a different strain of BSE existed in U.S. cattle— a strain where the animals didn't act deranged but simply fell over, like thecows in Marsh's tests—the disease could conceivably go unrecognized for a long time, invisible within the larger population of U.S. downer cows.

Every year, some 100,000 U.S. cows get classified as downers. Marsh was
not suggesting that all 100,000 were carriers of a spongiform encephalopathy.
What concerned him was the possibility that downer cow syndrome could
mask the emergence of a TSE in the cattle population, allowing the disease to
invisibly spread until it reached dangerous levels. It could multiply the same
way it had multiplied in England, as rendering plants recycled the infection
by converting sick animals into meat and bone meal which was then fed back
to other cattle. The only certain way to prevent a cattle epidemic, therefore,
would be to adopt the same policy that the British had already been forced
to adopt: ban the practice of feeding rendered cows and other ruminant ani-
mals back to members of their own species.

### (End of excerpt)

HOW TO HIDE A MAD COW

Today the ability to test cattle for mad cow disease has greatly advanced, and so-called rapid tests are used on all cattle before they are allowed into the human food chain in Japan, for example. I describe the situation in the United States as a cover-up of the extent of mad cow disease because the US needs to test millions of cattle a year, and in a transparent and verifiable way, before we can know with accuracy how much disease is present in the US herd. Currently the US is testing less than 1% of its cattle a year, and the procedures are shrouded in secrecy. The US forbids anyone but the government to conduct tests in the United States making it impossible for Americans to purchase meat that has been tested and found free of the disease.

In addition, despite the false PR assurances from government and the livestock industry, there is no "firewall feed ban" in the United States to completely stop the spread of mad cow disease. Today it is legal and widespread to feed US cattle on cattle fat contaminated with cattle protein, on cattle blood, and on poultry shirt and litter contaminated with cattle protein. In addition, slaughterhouse waste from cattle is fed to pigs, and in turn the slaughterhouse waste from pigs is fed back to cattle.

We now know we have "atypical" mad cow disease in the US and even the USDA admits that it has probably been spreading for at least a decade through feeding cattle to cattle. Yet, the cannibal feeding practices continue and the US's mad cow testng program is a farce.

Dick Marsh died in 1997 before our book Mad Cow USA [4] was published. He was a careful scientist who undersood the precautionary principle and who worked tirelessly and was terribly and personally attacked for his prescient warnings that a unique strain of mad cow disease already existed in the US, and that unless the dangerous feeding practices of cow cannibalism were stopped, it would spread through cattle and threaten human health.

Perhaps if cancer had not silenced Dick Marsh a decade ago, his strong voice would have helped change the current dangerous policies of the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Currently these federal agencies are threatening animal and human safety in the US simply so the US government can protect and preserve the livestock industry's deadly but lucrative practice of animal cannibalism, turning slaughterhouse waste into cheap feed for cattle and other livestock.

Imported it H*ll March predicted it was in the US over two decades ago.
The question I asked was WHAT IS PROTECTING THE US CONSUMERS FROM US BSE? ADD TO THAT WHAT IS PROTECTING FOREIGN COUNTRIES FROM SOMETHING THAT WAS PREDICTED TO BE IN THE US OVER TWO DECADES AGO? :x Stop blaming others for something that was PREDICTED AND PROVEN to be in the US. You had over twenty years to heed March's warning but you are still pointing finger and blaming others for a problem that IS IN YOUR SYSTEM AND SPREADING.

And Sandhusker I don't know what Leo honestly thinks I doubt anyone does. I only know what he said and that was the US consumer had nothing to worry about when eating US beef as the US industry has these firewall in place to protect them if BSE was ever found in US cattle. Can you tell me what firewalls and safeguards he was talking about? It can not be the import restrictions as we are talking about US BSE not imported. Now He also said "the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years." Now it looks like March was right about the US having Atypical BSE back before 1985. Can you tell us when the US implemented their consumer protecting firewalls that Leo told the gang in Nebraska about? You see Sandhusker this is the problem with making things up as you go. You can't tell the consumers you have firewalls to protect them from Home grown BSE then tell them they are risking their lives by eating beef from imported cattle processed in those same US plants using those same consumer protecting firewalls and safeguards. Some where along the line the consumer has got to realize you are lieing and then how good will Leo's guarantee be?
 

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