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anyone had any experience with this bull? i'm thinking of AIing some to him. wondering if any of you know anything about his calves?
 
That's funny! He's my pick in the ABS catalog. I was looking him over today in fact. He's been around a day of two so should have some data on him somewhere. Now that we agree you might want to re-think your thinking! :wink:
 
According to the folks over on Advantage Cattle site-- he's tops on docility-- and the AAA gives him a docility EPD of 35 which is one of the highest...
I'd say right now his biggest drawback is having Bando 598 as mgs (who has been identified by the Australians as a Fawn Calf Syndrome carrier) so until the AAA gets a test developed you're kind of rolling the dice on whether he is or not......
 
i really like the bull, H. he caught my attention a couple years ago, and i damn near used him last year. i really can't find any holes in him, at least not from what i have read. i'll call my ABS rep in the next day or two. he'll have some first hand reports on how the bull has done, and he won't bullsh!t a guy. i'll let you know what i find out.
 
Grand plan! You know my number. My eyes are bleeding from reading Select, ABS and Genex catalogs along with the 7000 bull sale catalogs i've been pouring over the last couple months. The Mytty In Focus bull in ABS is pretty popular and I know a bunch of guys who have used him with great success. But I never have liked to go with the flow. I may end up buying semen from Yardleys. I don't plan to breed til the 1st of May so I have some time. I still gotta get with Ned Jr. and get some semen from his great Hereford bull too. Have ya looked at that 175 bull of his? WOW! I won't breed the whole bunch but a couple bally faces wouldnt hurt. :D
 
We used him around 5 years ago they come ez bulls sold well and they had good nut size ez to work with, I will not use anything with 598 in it when a test comes out and he is clean I will use him again.
 
I am an ABS, and connection has been a very popular bull the last few breeding seasons. He is a bull that was raised by sydenstrykers in missouri. Calving ease is great, Gestation length is short. Seems the calves come about a week early. Docility is excellent, Connection has a son that we are listing named C C and 7 which is the number one docility epd bull in the breed. Phenotype of the connection calves is great, they grow well, and have good caracass. The female that he is out of is one of the best cows in the breed as far as many are concerned.
As far as the FCS on this bull there is enough calves that have been sired over the past ten years, with no report of any fawn calves. ABS has pulled any bulls that are even remotely suspected to be a carrier, so use with confidence.
 
We get to see some of the Sygen cattle from time to time. Connection and others calves are just some more cattle nothing great and nothing bad either. Yesterday I saw 10 yealing bulls out of the Sygen line up.
A friend picked out two bulls of the group that were sired by the owners herd bull and bascially walked away from the Sydegn sired bulls. But thats just one persons opion. I did ask him why he said he thought the Sydgen bulls were a little shallow. We walked back to the steer pen and several half brothers were scurred. But out of plain commercial cows .
 
cleland, You are sticking your neck out with what you are saying. I used a bull born in 1998 said to be clean, with 598 farther back in the ped than what he is in Connetion. I used 10 straws got 8 calves & to FCS type calves. IF YOU PLAY WITH FIRE YOU CAN GET BURNED
 
Don't let Oldblood burn ya. He is very smart when it comes to bulls that are carriers - he's had all the luck. He knows the good and bad bulls - hes had all the luck.

So oldblood what bulls do work that we should all be using
 
i understand oldbood's concern, but having 598 doesn't automatically make Connection a carrier. while i haven't talked to my rep yet, i would feel comfortable using him because i know if they had any bad reports on Connection's calves regarding this matter, he would have been pulled from the line up. but i will do some more research....
 
Just too many other very good bulls and cows out there in the angus world for me to want to take a chance with anything that has 598 or KAF Freestate Barbara in its background...

Like Oldblood said- now that the info on this defect has finally came to light- and is not being swept under the rug as much anymore, by breeders, semen pimps, and the AAA--and people are now aware of it- more instances are being recognized and reported- not just in angus- but in balancer and crossbred programs that used angus (598, etal) genetics....
 
Not every bull is actually owned by the AI companies. Some are handled by the AI organizations. I pretty sure Orgin handles the Sydgen bulls as well as Sydgen themselves. Sydgen also has private individuals that market their semen through breeding projects. I think when one sees a Orgin logo along with a ABS logo that would be one of those deals.
Sydgen is not the only one that does those deals either. Its a bit easier to understand if one would pick up a Orgin book.

Last year I purchased semen from a Canadain Bull from ABS. It came ok and delviered without any problems. At the time bull had never made it in the ABS book. Found a Orgin ad on the bull and he was on sale for the same price as ABS had him?? For some reason I called the owner of the bull later in the year. The owner claimed he had shipped 1,000 units
and he was suprised I was able to get the bull from ABS. He said at the time he had not recieved any money from ORgin on the semen.
I assume not every bull handled by the AI companies has the strict guidleines as the bulls the AI compnaies actually own. So for us to say a bull is a ABS bull or any other companies may not be true. They make us think so..

On another note a couple of us purcahsed semen from a custom collection service in two different shipments and neither one of us got any thing bred from another well adverstied operation.

As clean as Orgin claimes to be I really wonder how many of those bulls are actually collected there or just have there cane codes stamped and collected somewhere else??
 
http://www.origenbeef.org/

As of last week Origen had an active link, showing the bulls at Origen being collected. SAF Connection and his son Sydgen CC&7 were both at the facility being collected. I think Connection has been there for well over a year, at 10 years of age he probably wouldnt see a whole lot of natural service anyway.
 
Justin said:
OT, how have your results been with D806? are his daughters as good as they claim? i thought about giving him a try aswell.
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Great calving ease-- perfect heifer bull....Calves were born small- but had a lot of vigor- and grew well...Bull/steer calves fit right in with the average- same with heifers- and had one heifer that had the highest WW of the bunch (the 5W I stuck a picture of up)....

Can't tell you that much about the daughters from there on- as the only ones I have are yearlings now...They look nice- been easy to handle- and now I'll have to give them the test of time as they raise some calves...

Some of the folks I've talked to are sure high on him tho as a cowmaker...Saw one fella that bought several of his sons to use on a bunch of heifers he had....

I kind of avoided him for sometime because of all the EXT on the maternal side- and fears of disposition- but then I saw the AAA docility rating wasn't too bad-- and so far from those I have, have seen nothing negative...
 
Oldtimer said:
Justin said:
OT, how have your results been with D806? are his daughters as good as they claim? i thought about giving him a try aswell.
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Great calving ease-- perfect heifer bull....Calves were born small- but had a lot of vigor- and grew well...Bull/steer calves fit right in with the average- same with heifers- and had one heifer that had the highest WW of the bunch (the 5W I stuck a picture of up)....

Can't tell you that much about the daughters from there on- as the only ones I have are yearlings now...They look nice- been easy to handle- and now I'll have to give them the test of time as they raise some calves...

Some of the folks I've talked to are sure high on him tho as a cowmaker...Saw one fella that bought several of his sons to use on a bunch of heifers he had....

I kind of avoided him for sometime because of all the EXT on the maternal side- and fears of disposition- but then I saw the AAA docility rating wasn't too bad-- and so far from those I have, have seen nothing negative...
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thanks. i knew you had some D806 calves, but wasn't sure if you had any daughters in production yet. i think i may give the bull a try, we'll see.....
 
Amazing that bull has a good disposition as well as his daughters,
with that pedigree.

We AI'd to 5204 and the daughters were nuts. Nice cattle in every
other way, but as 2 year old mothers, they'd take you in a heart beat.
We never noticed it til they calved, and they didn't bluff, they meant
business. We got rid of all of them. Plus add the EXT influence... :shock:

Well, good luck...
 
Faster horses said:
Amazing that bull has a good disposition as well as his daughters,
with that pedigree.

We AI'd to 5204 and the daughters were nuts. Nice cattle in every
other way, but as 2 year old mothers, they'd take you in a heart beat.
We never noticed it til they calved, and they didn't bluff, they meant
business. We got rid of all of them. Plus add the EXT influence... :shock:

Well, good luck...
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Yep-- I had a California Traveller (5204 son) son I used for one year for heifers...Great calves- but they and the bull bounced off 4 walls by fall...Even the quiet breeding of the cows didn't quiet them down....

I am extremely impressed with the Bannon of Wye UMF 8420 breeding for dispositions- maternal- calving ease- and great feet.....

Another bull I've seen some great calves sired by- that have fairly good performance- maternal - and great dispositions is Hero 6267 of R R 2418 # AAA #11808572.... I walked thru a pen of yearling bulls a couple years ago and had the Hero sons all up following around trying to pick my gloves out of my pocket or get their backs scratched....

Of the "bigger, better, faster" performance bulls- probably the one I like best for calving ease and nice looking heifers that I've seen is In Focus- that throws moderate framed, high capacity, broader heifers that have great dispositions...We just sold a 3 year old In Focus daughter last week that either laid on (or for some reason lost her calf) and altho she was a 4 frame- still weighed 1330 lbs..... :o The Lead Ons are really nice-quiet dispositioned- but bigger framed- and definitely not a heifer bull..
 

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