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Northern Rancher said:
My favorite is calling Charolais- Charley Welfares lol. I dunno Silver when I'm sitting next to Stan Jacobs from Douglas Lake buying bulls or order buying for a big outfit north of Quesnel all I hear is awesome and profitable lol.

Sorry NR, that went over my head. I don't know who Stan Jacobs is or what he buys for whom.
I know a lot of guys who've made a living for a lot of years with their exotic cattle (this place included), and I for one get tired of the bashing of them that goes on in here, and the smug attitude that eminates from many of those on the black bandwagon. I have done my time calving and caring for black cows and I'm never going back, although I do know there are some fine black cattle out there. There are plenty of efficient, profitable cattle to choose from without taking that route.
Anyway, that's my post drywall, mudding, taping, carpentering and other such hateful things rant for the evening. I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.
 
I got my Stans mixed up -Stan Jacobs used to write for Cattleman-the Stan I was talking about is the cowboss for Douglas Lake-the most profitable animal from Quesnel to Queensland, Australia is a crossbred anyway.
 
Northern Rancher said:
I got my Stans mixed up -Stan Jacobs used to write for Cattleman-the Stan I was talking about is the cowboss for Douglas Lake-the most profitable animal from Quesnel to Queensland, Australia is a crossbred anyway.

You REALLY have your Stans mixed up now, Jacobs IS Douglas Lake's cowboss. He does have a pretty good eye for any kind of cattle. :wink:
 
Geez I was sure that was Stan's last name but I thought Silver would know it lol. Ok now damned if I can remember the old Stan who wrote for Cattleman and Douglas Lake does breed a 1,000 plus cows Charolais and I imagine 4,000 or so Hereford and Angus.
 
I finally had to take the time to register for posting, have been reading and enjoying the site for quite some time, but had to put my 2 cents in on this post.
We are Gelbvieh breeders and yes, Per, would welcome a visit as long as you're willing to listen to my "enthusiasm" of the Gelbvieh breed. ([email protected])
I got into the breed over ten years ago because of many traits, but one of the main reasons was I am big and slow……running is for politicians, not me. After having other breeds that didn't fall into those parameters, I came across the Gelbvieh. It worked for me. We do occasionally have a high headed critter, but we are close enough to the auction that they do not last long at our place. I have found that often the high headiness is genetic, so some cow families didn't last long around here.
The Gelbvieh has changed, like others, in recent years. Our original cows were generally lighter colored, Gelbvieh meaning "yellow cow" in German, and now include darker reds and blacks. Overall, the breed is now more moderate, being on average, smaller in mature cow weight than Angus. Udders have drastically improved, although lower milk production may have be a consequence. (Many would have thought they had too much anyways.) The breed is very maternal and sometimes grafting a calf onto one that has lost hers is as easy as showing her the calf or one trip to the squeeze. Fertility is right up there, but on the negative side, we do have to watch for teenage pregnancies. I find it hard to believe you could find a better mother than a Gelbvieh….but I know there are many that would differ ;-)
Originally, I think the breed added pounds but it took lots of feed. I know at our place , we select for "easy keeping" animals and have made good progress in this area. Gelbvieh can add pounds and still maintain the calving ease that they have become known for. Studies from some years ago maintained Gelbvieh had the "most weaned pounds per cow exposed", but I am sure this would be challenged by many.
This year we are really excited about our calf crop. If I can figure out how, I'll bore you with a few pics and you can judge for yourself. Gelbvieh has worked for me and my family, we like 'em and like working with them, but each to their own. Every breed has their good and bad and the big trick is to keep some of the differences, not to make them all the same. I will keep my Gelbvieh enthusiasm restricted to this post in the future…….thanks for letting me ramble. I could go on, but hey……
As for the original post, Gelbvieh is considered "Exotic", I maintain they are more "British" than some of the British breeds. It ticks me off that the "Canada Gold Program" promotes having at least half British in the breeding…..someone had their best interests in mind when this program was initiated. But, you have to be at the table...thats the trick!
 
I've always liked the Gelbvieh breed, especially since the females have over the last few years taken on a smaller, more feminine look to them. We've sneaked the odd Gelbveigh into our herd when Blonde bulls were hard to come by, and you'd have a tough time picking out the Gelbviegh calves come fall.
 
I don't know about being more British than the British breeds Perfecho but the breeds sure are all screwed up nowadays. I bought some cows at a dispersal last fall - they had "straight black" cows, black baldies and tan charolais x cows. They weighed in that order too - the straight blacks would be at least 200lbs heavier than the tan cows who were not exactly small either (upper 1200s)The baldies were in between. The "exotics" in many cases now weigh less than the "British" breeds. The original exotic was the Charolais and it was a large breed of bull to use on your smaller cows breeds to produce an excellent terminal calf. I still think the charolais is hard to beat in that role. There has been so much mongrelization going on it's hard to say what is what nowadays. The "exotic" breeders selling black or polled cattle have already integrated british (likely Angus) to alter their breed. But how british was that Angus? most of the modern Angus probably had enough exotic injected into them so they could compete with the true exotics on growth.
I've got to laugh as my "mongrel" Luing breed which is essentially a stabilized crossbred breed founded on Scotish Highland and Shorthorn bloodlines is probably purer than most of the "purebreds" in North America.
 
I thought I would post a couple of pics of my girls and their calves. They are not perfect but I have been only developing my seed stock herd for that last 4 years and try to AI as much as I can. we are suffering the worst drought in 50 years and they are on pasture only with no supplements just minerals and salt. No creep..I start to calve in Jan in sometimes -40 weather and the calves are up and drinking as soon as they hit the ground. I am really proud and impressed with the breed and all that the long time breeders have accomplished so far. I hope I will be one of them.

There are exceptional breeders on this board like Elwapa and another friend from Sask. I hope these pics do the breed justice.

Kalina Moderator 2 yr old daughter (bred to JRI fully exposed) and her 5 month old Freedom Fog grandson calf.

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Moderator 6 month old bull calf BTW he's a twin and his dam is raising both he weighs 700lbs+
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Another heifer (bred to Mccoy Signature) and her steer.
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Black GV 9 yr old (bred to Ozz Ideal) and her 5 month old heifer calf
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I should add as well that this is mostly a one woman operation so I will not have a flighty or mean animal around . So far I have only had to cull one animal due to disposition and I bought her as a yearling.
 
It's sort of hilarious to watch and see how many people want to defend their breed of choice. I'm an Angus enthusiast but I think that Angus is a great base for whatever other breed you want to inject to create the best crossbred animal that you can. I like a 5/8 Angus and 3/8 Simmental, but that's based on my own observation and I'm not pushing it on someone else. A person has to be able to freely admit the problems that exist in their chosen breed in order to be taken seriously by other cattlemen. If you're not willing to do that, then you may just need to head to the eye doctor for a checkup on your barn blindness.

As for analyzing what the "who's who" of the biggest ranches are doing and dropping names of big-time cowbosses, I doubt that it will lead us to the best cows that walk the earth. I'll bet that those fellows are awfully good at handling anything that wears hair and I'm not cowboy enough to keep up with them, but I'm not sure I'd run real fast to look at their sire choices. Often those bigger outfits do what is best for them considering their ranch size and labor availability. Once again, that's often a simpler management of genetics. In ranching simpler is often a key to profit and enjoyment. But I think there may be some other folks that have a pretty tight handle on breeding cattle as well.

I have some stronger opinions about some breeds that are not on in my top five list of cattle to sample, but they'd be obvious prejudices that I'll save for another chance to sniper someone on this board. :P

There again, I still like a good argument and I enjoy testing someone else's resolve!

Good day!
 
Yanuck said:
they look really good HD.. :) where in central AB are you at?

Thanks Yanuck, I am really pleased with them this year, especially with the drought. The cows are maintaining and the calves are all growing. There are alot of this year heifers that I really want to retain but right now I had better just worry about feeding them through the summer.

We are just east of Red Deer and are under tornado watch right now. Oh well if it brings some rain I guess we have to take the good with the bad.

BTW my original post was to a reference that Gelbvieh should be lumped in as exotics like hobby breeds and that p#ssed me off because obviously they are not.

I will add as well that Angus is not the breed of choice in my area :) ..
 
Speaking of 'black' cattle........we had a friend from TX who said you can cross an oil well with any color cow you choose......and it works!!!

Time to lighten up this thread a bit.

It's great for us to be proud of our cattle (if they deserve it), but better to be kind about it rather than nasty, isn't it? Ok to josh a little between friends, but insults are a waste of time and create too much strife in life.

mrj
 
hillsdown said:
Yanuck said:
they look really good HD.. :) where in central AB are you at?

Thanks Yanuck, I am really pleased with them this year, especially with the drought. The cows are maintaining and the calves are all growing. There are alot of this year heifers that I really want to retain but right now I had better just worry about feeding them through the summer.

We are just east of Red Deer and are under tornado watch right now. Oh well if it brings some rain I guess we have to take the good with the bad.

BTW my original post was to a reference that Gelbvieh should be lumped in as exotics like hobby breeds and that p#ssed me off because obviously they are not.

I will add as well that Angus is not the breed of choice in my area :) ..

I'm from Trochu, and its pretty grim there, and no you're right black sure isn't the colour of choice there..does jack Daines know how to say anything but "good buckskin calves"???!!!
 
hillsdown said:
Yanuck" I'm from Trochu said:
does jack Daines know how to say anything but "good buckskin calves"???!!![/[/b]quote]

LMAO ain't that the truth . :lol: Small world, do you know the Frere's ?

very well, our families have been friends for yrs
 
hillsdown said:
We bought Spedos and Lauras(?) ranch in '03 just in between Delburne and Red Deer. The one they had raised buffalo on.

okay, Speedos younger sister and I got in trouble together a lot when we were younger! the Delburne bar holds a few memories from HS as well! 8)
 
My little brown cows are the BEST




To me :D
I dont have time or energy to mess with the hoilstien cross we are calving now ....when I bend down to pick a calf up I dont want to end up on my contract. :evil:
Hail had one do that last night then proceed to lick me til I got up :roll:
Plus her calf was a good 100# GOOD GAWD I am use to maybe 50# of calf........

Ya know someone and I dont remember who said that you pick a cattle crop based on you and your goals ...NOT what is in style or popular.
They are all red on the inside , well untill you cook them and depending on how well done you like it;)

I love looking at all the pics ...yes I am weird but cows are cute. :D
 
So do you Trochu folks know the Stankiveches? They have an interesting little experiment going using some of my Luing bulls on their horned herefords to create an alternate red baldie. Looking for something smaller, better coated and more feed efficient than the Shorthorns they had been using. I don't know if they still breed any of the herefords straight or if it is just the heifers they are breeding Luing. With their charolais herd I guess the new baldies will be bred to the white bull and I'm sure they will breed some great tan calves that Jack would be proud of!
 

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