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So are you RCALFERS happy with Obama

I only hope and pray that our leaders made the right moves- and did not put the short term economic interests of the Multinatinal Corporates ahead of those of the US consumer, US cattle herd, and long term viability of the US cattle industry....

Some of the stuff that is now coming out in France- after their change in administration allowed it to become transparent- is becoming scarey tho..

How France hid its own mad cow disease epidemic
By Ian Sparks
Last updated at 11:12 PM on 06th November 2008

The scale of France's mad cow disease epidemic has been laid bare in a report from scientists.

The revelation that BSE was rife in France in the early 1990s comes a decade after its illegal ban on British beef drove many UK farmers into bankruptcy.

The study was ordered by a Paris judge investigating why nine French citizens died from variant Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease, the human form of BSE, between 1996 and 2006.
It found that their lives could have been saved if the French government had done more to prevent the spread of the disease after its discovery in 1986.

The study, published yesterday, noted BSE was officially first detected in Britain in 1986 and steps taken in this country to combat it.
However, a French law in 1990 stating that farmers must declare any BSE found in their cattle came 'several years too late'.

The report also exposes the hypocrisy of France's insistence that during the 1990s British herds were riddled with mad cow disease, while French beef was safe to eat.

The EU finally lifted a trade embargo on British beef in 1999, after years of trade sanctions.

France continued with an illegal ban on our meat for another seven years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1083643/How-France-hid-mad-cow-disease-epidemic.html
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Oldtimer said:
I only hope and pray that our leaders made the right moves- and did not put the short term economic interests of the Multinatinal Corporates ahead of those of the US consumer, US cattle herd, and long term viability of the US cattle industry....

Some of the stuff that is now coming out in France- after their change in administration allowed it to become transparent- is becoming scarey tho..

How France hid its own mad cow disease epidemic
By Ian Sparks
Last updated at 11:12 PM on 06th November 2008

The scale of France's mad cow disease epidemic has been laid bare in a report from scientists.

The revelation that BSE was rife in France in the early 1990s comes a decade after its illegal ban on British beef drove many UK farmers into bankruptcy.

The study was ordered by a Paris judge investigating why nine French citizens died from variant Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease, the human form of BSE, between 1996 and 2006.
It found that their lives could have been saved if the French government had done more to prevent the spread of the disease after its discovery in 1986.

The study, published yesterday, noted BSE was officially first detected in Britain in 1986 and steps taken in this country to combat it.
However, a French law in 1990 stating that farmers must declare any BSE found in their cattle came 'several years too late'.

The report also exposes the hypocrisy of France's insistence that during the 1990s British herds were riddled with mad cow disease, while French beef was safe to eat.

The EU finally lifted a trade embargo on British beef in 1999, after years of trade sanctions.

France continued with an illegal ban on our meat for another seven years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1083643/How-France-hid-mad-cow-disease-epidemic.html
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Well how about that, Oldtimer, why does that sound so familiar? And here we all thought rcalf was "original" in its cause!!! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Big Swede said:
But we're trying to be like France, don't you know?
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Looks like you're there already! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Terry's quote of almost 2 years ago: " . . . . 2600 head of BSE infected cattle fed to the American people . . .", good old, home grown product of U.S.A. . . . . COOL is going to save you all . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol:


OUI?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Shaft said:
Safe product? Like chickenshit-fed beef perhaps? Yummy
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That is hilarious! Gives an American "steak and eggs" breakfast a whole new meaning - both sides of the serving come from the same place! Grab yer shovel and have another helping sandhusker et al! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Ah! What the general public does not know. The free range hen, back in the days of the diversified farm, went into the cow yards and picked in the cattle manure. Some believed that eggs from the free range hen tasted better than the others.

Back when there were farm feedlots, hogs were allowed to follow the fattening cattle, they picked the undigested grain from the cattlle manure. Today with our better understanding we use better and more proteins in cattle diets so most of the corn or grain that goes through the animal is pretty well already digested.

Back when horses were common on farms, often the stalls were cleaned out and thrown out the back door of the barn into piles. Sometimes the milk cows would go through these piles and pick out bits of hay etc. Actually there may have even been some benifit to this, as much of the digestive process in the horse takes place in the hind gut. Some benificial microbs and some vitamins are produced there.
 
Here is what Judge Tashima said, with intepretations in parenthesis. Notice how many times the word "deferential" comes up...

Regulations are presumed to be valid, and therefore review is deferential to the agency. (They make the rules, they know everything) All that is required is that the agency have "considered the revelant factors and articulated a rational connection between the facts found and the choices made". (If they say they thought about it, that's good enough) Further, the court is not empowered to substitute it's judgement for that of the agency. (You can't question their decision, they are accountable to nobody but themselves) Deference to the informed discretion of the responsible federal agencies is especially appropriate, where, as here, the agency's decision involves a high level of expertise. (They're supposed to be smart, therefore the are) While review is therefore deferential, it is not toothless; Courts must conduct a through, probing, in depth inquiry into the validity of the regulations. This inquiry must be "searching and careful" to ensure that the agency decision does not contain a clear error of judgement. In performing this inquiry, the court is not allowed to uphold a regulation on grounds other than those used by the agency. (You can only question them if you follow their line of reasoning) The district court failed to abide by this deferential standard. Instead, the district court committed legal error by failing to respect the agencys judgement and expertise. ( You dared to consider the non-existent possibility that they might be wrong) Rather than evaluating the Final Rule to determine if the USDA had a basis for it's conclusions, the district court repeatedly substituted it's judgement for the agency's, disagreeing with the USDA's judgements even though they had a sound basis in the adminstrative record, and accepting the scientific judgment of R-CALF's experts over those of the agency. (The court listened to both sides of the story and found that R-CALFs made more sense than the USDA's, which you can't do because the court has already established that the USDA knows everything) For example, in acessing the prevelance of BSE in the Canadian herd, the district court rejected the USDA's calculation and accepted prevalance rate provided by R-CALF's expert, completely without explaination. (Even though the USDA's calculation has been proven wrong via the additional cases that have surfaced since then. )
 
RE: Creekstone

The ruling (Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, LLC v. U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, et al., Civil Action No. 06-0544) stated that the government does have authority to regulate the use of diagnostic tests in general, but that it lacks authority to prohibit the private use of BSE test kits, which are not used in the treatment of BSE , but are used on cattle that are already dead to see if they had significant levels of BSE infection. Judge Robertson noted that many other countries test large numbers of healthy-appearing cattle for BSE at slaughter and suggested that USDA's stated concerns about the conclusions consumers might draw from private BSE testing were not within USDA's statutory areas of responsibility.
 
What is the earliest age BSE has ever been detected in cattle?

What scientific source states that there definitely is a link or cause and effect between a human eating beef from an animal diagnosed as having BSE, and contracting vCJD?

mrj
 
Kato said:
You can come up here and drive down the street and it looks exactly like any street in the U.S. Burger King on the corner, Holiday Inn just over there, and Sears at the mall.
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I am missing my Tim Hortons fix,


;-}

I do have a poin in saying that.... Painting any group with a broad brush is a mistake.....

PPEM
 
mrj said:
What is the earliest age BSE has ever been detected in cattle?

What scientific source states that there definitely is a link or cause and effect between a human eating beef from an animal diagnosed as having BSE, and contracting vCJD?

mrj
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Youngest confirmed case 20 Months, Oldest confirmed case 22 Years, Data valid to 01 April 2008

http://www.defra.gov.uk/vla/science/docs/sci_tse_stats_gen.pdf


BSE Youngest and oldest cases by year of onset - GB 20 months, 21 months, (8) 24 months, see complete list of younger than 30 month ;

http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/otmbsestatistics.pdf


BSE Youngest Japan 21 months, 23 months

http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/ehpm/10/3/130/_pdf


The implications of the Swiss result for Britain, which has had the most BSE, are complex. Only cattle aged 30 months or younger are eaten in Britain, on the assumption, based on feeding trials, that cattle of that age, even if they were infected as calves, have not yet accumulated enough prions to be infectious. But the youngest cow to develop BSE on record in Britain was 20 months old, showing some are fast incubators. Models predict that 200-300 cattle under 30 months per year are infected with BSE and enter the food chain currently in Britain. Of these 3-5 could be fast incubators and carrying detectable quantities of prion.

http://www.sare.org/sanet-mg/archives/html-home/28-html/0359.html


Feed borne infection (31-34) a) Recent unpublished experiments at the VLA have shown that feeding exceptionally low doses (0.001g) of infected neural tissue can cause BSE. b) The working hypothesis of Defra that the major cause of BSE in BARBs cases has been through the ingestion of contaminated feed, most likely by young animals, is strongly supported. Thus control of the disease requires, as it has always required, completely eliminating the agent from the cattle feed chain. a) There has been a fall in the underlying incidence of BSE by birth cohort 1996/97 to 99/00 in GB, but the 2001/2 case leaves doubt subsequently. There has also been a fall in other countries except where feed controls were introduced later. 34. In view of the exceedingly low doses of brain material required to infect young cattle, the reductions in incidence consequent on the feed bans in the UK and elsewhere and the lack of evidence that other causes are responsible, the strongest hypothesis for BARBs is infection of animals via ingestion of BSE contaminated material.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/bse/pdf/hillreport.pdf


10,000,000+ LBS. of PROHIBITED BANNED MAD COW FEED I.E. MBM IN COMMERCE USA 2007

http://madcowfeed.blogspot.com/2008/04/substances-prohibited-from-use-in.html



see full text ;


http://bseyoungestage.blogspot.com/



BSE VCJD PRIMATE(108)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

BSE VCJD(216)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/


BSE VCJD HUMINIZED MICE(119)


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/




TSS
 
Barack Obama yesterday introduced his new White House budget director, Peter Orszag, vowing to conduct a "line by line" review of the federal fisc. Most incoming chief executives promise that sort of thing. But here's a detail that really caught our eye: As part of his plan to kill government programs "that have outlived their usefulness," the President-elect singled out farm subsidies for the rich.


AP
President-elect Barack Obama and Peter Orszag.
If he really means it, this would be big news.

Mr. Obama cited a recent Government Accountability Office report that found that of the 1.8 million people receiving farm payments from 2003 to 2006, nearly 3,000 had incomes above $2.5 million, which ought to make them ineligible for aid. Nevertheless, they cashed in to the tune of some $49 million.
 
PORKER said:
Barack Obama yesterday introduced his new White House budget director, Peter Orszag, vowing to conduct a "line by line" review of the federal fisc. Most incoming chief executives promise that sort of thing. But here's a detail that really caught our eye: As part of his plan to kill government programs "that have outlived their usefulness," the President-elect singled out farm subsidies for the rich.


AP
President-elect Barack Obama and Peter Orszag.
If he really means it, this would be big news.

Mr. Obama cited a recent Government Accountability Office report that found that of the 1.8 million people receiving farm payments from 2003 to 2006, nearly 3,000 had incomes above $2.5 million, which ought to make them ineligible for aid. Nevertheless, they cashed in to the tune of some $49 million.
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About time :) :clap: I wish him luck challenging the Corporate Fascist lobbyiests ....
 
I wish him good luck on that. They try to pare of the rich folk and non-farmers off the dole everytime and never get it done when the lobbyists come out - and Obama is filling his government with lobbyists despite a campaign promise not to.

The guy is two months away from inaguration and he's already breaking promises. :mad:
 

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