South Dakota antlerless deer program

[P Joe]

First its pretty rich for a road hunter to lecture LB

Furthermore, what sort of weiner whines about being attacked and makes suppositions about someone's voting preferance in general elections - hypocrite is less coarse than terms I'd rather use.

Blah blah blah. Just shut up and crawl back into your hole!

I can't figure out if you are just plain stupid or that ignorant to make your comments about road hunters. IT'S LEGAL, IT'S PRACTICAL' AND IT'S A SOUTH DAKOTA TRADITION. DEAL WITH IT!! Take a freakin therapy class if you need to.

Second, I was the one that made 'suppositions' about LB's voting record. If she claims to not support the farm bills, then I hope to God, that she didn't vote for anybody that SD has in DC since all of them are big backers of most/all the bills. BUT you probably wouldn't/couldn't understand that due to you lack of knowledge in SD polictics!

Do us all a favor, next time you get the urge to post on a topic that PERTAINS to SD...........Go to you local rest room and sit on the pot instead. The end result will be the same thing you type!

 

[Larrry]

He did go sit on the pot, and he named it PJoe

 

[P Joe]

He did go sit on the pot, and he named it PJoe

Figures, when you people have nothing to come back on, just use personal atttacks!!! Pity!

 

[Larrry]

pj please refer to your statement. This was only an extension.

 

[P Joe]

Really, if you consider my 1st post as a personal attack on you, then well....... maybe you need to go buy yourself a set of stronger feelings. LB and I have been down this road before. I don't expect her to take it as a personal attack, and her likewise of me. Just find it kind of funny that the lot of you can justify jumping down publichunters throat with personal attacks, yet you avoided some well put points in my post!

pj please refer to your statement. This was only an extension.

Love you to LB!!

How many times have you voted for Tim Johnson?? Stephanie Herseth or John Thune. Each time you casted a vote for them, you support the Farm Bill as well. How many acres of CRP do you have enrolled????

How pray-tell do you come to the conclusion that CRP is a "hunting" welfare check?? Does not the landowner collect the payment??? Does not the landowner still retain full rights to not allow hunting on the CRP??? How does a hunter see any of the money. If you were as half as smart as you claim to be, why can't you figure out that maybe you should enroll some of you poor producing land into the CRP program. Then you would be "reimbursed" for ALL those game animals you claim to feed. As well as being able to hay 1/3 of the acres a year without losing payment. Or on most dry years being able to graze and hay the whole thing per the feds!!

You want to scream government welfare, maybe you should direct those comments to the farmers that plant tens of thousands of acres of corn, or the game preserves that enroll hundreds of acres into CRP at the taxpayers expense to turn around and charge $500/gun. Where is your critism on that???

 

[Larrry]

farmers that plant tens of thousands of acres of corn, or the game preserves that enroll hundreds of acres into CRP at the taxpayers expense to turn around and charge $500/gun. Where is your critism on that???

The two things you state have no bearing on each other. If they do please show me a contract where a farmer agrees to allow free hunting in exchange for program benefits.
Even if it were so, what about the non hunters do they get a free nights lodging at the farmers house.
Or maybe a side of beef, a few gallons of milk, or a few free loaves of bread.

 

[publichunter]

Larry: The relevance is that taxpayers already pay the landowner to Idle their land from farming as in CRP, then those same landowners charge to get on it.
He didnt say anyone signed any contract to allow hunting, it was you who said that.
It is the same as crop insurance on corn, the tax payer pays many times for that crop over the years, P joe is upset that they chrge for the hunting on it when tax payers have footed the Bill already.
He was wondering where LB's critism of those type landowners were?
Pjoe she will never bad mouth another landowner....

 

[Larrry]

The relevance is that taxpayers already pay the landowner to Idle their land from farming as in CRP, then those same landowners charge to get on it.

And where does it say they must allow hunting because of this.

Back to my statement;
The two things you state have no bearing on each other. If they do please show me a contract where a farmer agrees to allow free hunting in exchange for program benefits.
Even if it were so, what about the non hunters do they get a free nights lodging at the farmers house.
Or maybe a side of beef, a few gallons of milk, or a few free loaves of bread.

 

[Larrry]

Let's suppose I rent a house to "Hunter A" at a bargain and six months later I am having second thoughts. I can not decide to move into one bedroom to even things out.

 

[P Joe]

The two things you state have no bearing on each other. If they do please show me a contract where a farmer agrees to allow free hunting in exchange for program benefits.
Even if it were so, what about the non hunters do they get a free nights lodging at the farmers house.
Or maybe a side of beef, a few gallons of milk, or a few free loaves of bread.

WOW You sure know how to twist things up! Did you intend to put words in my mouth, or can you not read?

No where in my words, did I ever say that hunting should be allowed on any ones land. I never brought up hunting period... You have totally missed the point their bud.

LB was complaining about the farm bill and how it equates to welfare. My point is then why isn't she complaining about the big farmers that have always planted thousands of acres of corn when it was $1/bushel?? Without the goverenment programs, their was no way they were turning a profit.

OR how these big pheasant preserves are putting in hundreds of acres into CRP. Using the taxpayer money to plant the seeds and receiving payments everyear and then turn around and charge $500/ gun. No where did I ever say I should be allowed to hunt on it, but I think that if you are going to be charging to hunt, then you should be able to build the land you self. Why should the taxpayer be expected to pay to build and maintain your habitat??

 

[P Joe]

Pjoe she will never bad mouth another landowner....

Nope, she won't. It will be the same ole "It's their land to do what they want with, BUT at my ranch nobody will ever hunt again until open fields is done away with" drum that will get beat again.

I have a feeling she may have put her foot in her mouth here and will quitely back away. I'm sure alot of her people recieve some sort of "welfare" from time to time.

You'd be silly not to take advantage of some of those programs. What I dislike, like LB said, is farming for the programs. They have built their operation so the only way to expect a profit is with help from the gov. Same thing with CRP. It's fine for us to put in some of our bad acres into this program and do whatever we want with it. BUT when a business puts everything they own into CRP, cost shares a dam, and get 4 or 5 shelterbelts of new trees all off the taxpayer to improve his bird or deer hunts, thats not right!

AND what's with this Larry guy?? Did he fall of the retard tree or something? I've never seen such blantant twisting of words before. I was hopeing LB would respond. I feel like I'm fishing out in the middle of the ocean for a marlin and just caught a good ole SD bull head!!!

 

[Larrry]

I see my point went right over your head.

 

[P Joe]

Let's suppose I rent a house to "Hunter A" at a bargain and six months later I am having second thoughts. I can not decide to move into one bedroom to even things out.

What does this have to do with the price of rice???

 

[P Joe]

What point?? I don't understand what you are trying to get at. But what the hell, I'll give it a try.

And where does it say they must allow hunting because of this.

Nowhere. Never said it did. Never brought it up.

Back to my statement;
The two things you state have no bearing on each other. If they do please show me a contract where a farmer agrees to allow free hunting in exchange for program benefits.

Can't there isn't one. Never said there was one. Please stick to my point and present your argument on why the taxpayer should foot the bill to a farmer that plants thousands of acres of unprofitable grain or to install and maintain a habit for the next "Birds and Bucks" that starts up!

Even if it were so, what about the non hunters do they get a free nights lodging at the farmers house.
Or maybe a side of beef, a few gallons of milk, or a few free loaves of bread.

I have no idea where you are going with this. My best guest would be you are talking about food stamps and income based living. I think that program is abused as well..........Don't have much more to say about it I guess. Don't remeber when I ever brought something up like that.

Hope that answers all you points that had no relevance on anything!

 

[Larrry]

There is a reason they do not teach Calculus to Kindergartners.

 

[P Joe]

There is a reason they do not teach Calculus to Kindergartners.

Ahhhh.........Feeling left out little guy. I think I have an old book I can send you.

PS I won't mind if you use your crayons to color in it! :wink:

 

[Liberty Belle]

LB was complaining about the farm bill and how it equates to welfare. My point is then why isn't she complaining about the big farmers that have always planted thousands of acres of corn when it was $1/bushel?? Without the goverenment programs, their was no way they were turning a profit.

OR how these big pheasant preserves are putting in hundreds of acres into CRP. Using the taxpayer money to plant the seeds and receiving payments everyear and then turn around and charge $500/ gun. No where did I ever say I should be allowed to hunt on it, but I think that if you are going to be charging to hunt, then you should be able to build the land you self. Why should the taxpayer be expected to pay to build and maintain your habitat??

P Joe, read what I wrote back on page one of this thread. This was my point exactly! These farmers were doing nothing but farming the government.

I have a really hard time figuring out why publichunter and Tony Dean can be for more of your (and my) tax dollars going to these same people in the new farm bill just because it might help save duck or pheasant habitat? Hunters and every other taxpayer, including landowners, would be much better off if the farm program was done away with entirely. I get the feeling that you and I might actually be agreeing on this, much as we both hate to admit it! :shock:
Thanks for your kind words Brad S. Nice to see you, Soap and Larrry on here. It's probably a good thing I don't have as much time to waste on here as I used to, but I enjoy reading what you guys post. I sure miss Jinglebob though...

 

[Larrry]

This is a many faceted discussion and I try one facet to explain and they do not understand. But I am sure that they really do not want to get the point.
First I do not like the farm program.
Second the farm program is not for the farmers even though they might benefit short term. Long term I have my doubts. The "Money" likes the farm programs.
Many consumers cry for cheap food as has been evidenced the last few months. Many want gov intervention. I am sorry but you can not have gov intervention only when food gets high. It's an all or nothing deal.
Third my family and I are avid hunters. I will not tolerate hunters coming out on my property and expecting that I am obligated to let them hunt. Especially ones that do not know you until hunting season arrives or ones that guess that you might get gov program money and they are the judge and jury and are gonna EVEN things out by hunting on your property.
The thing that chaps me are the ones that want to hunt and you tell them that your family comes first because they help you all year round and then they ask you again after you explained to them.
I have gotten very little gov money as I do not have corn, crp or public grazing lands. I do not believe there is any person in this country that can say they have never gotten gov money of some sort at some point.
Next the hunters are subsidized. There liscence fee will no where cover the cost that the Wildlife dept spends. There money comes from the tax rolls. One can just look at ALL the land they purchase.
Then there is the game wardens that want to come on your property. They pretend to be checking hunters, when 99% of the time they are scouting for their own hunting Heck I could go on and on on the GW's but I have said enough

 

[P Joe]

P Joe, read what I wrote back on page one of this thread. This was my point exactly! These farmers were doing nothing but farming the government.

I have a really hard time figuring out why publichunter and Tony Dean can be for more of your (and my) tax dollars going to these same people in the new farm bill just because it might help save duck or pheasant habitat? Hunters and every other taxpayer, including landowners, would be much better off if the farm program was done away with entirely. I get the feeling that you and I might actually be agreeing on this, much as we both hate to admit it! :shock:
Thanks for your kind words Brad S. Nice to see you, Soap and Larrry on here. It's probably a good thing I don't have as much time to waste on here as I used to, but I enjoy reading what you guys post. I sure miss Jinglebob though...

I think we do agree on this to some degree. I still think the CRP program can be a good thing when administered correctly. It's your bad apples that take advantage of it. I have no problem with you or I or anybody puting in 80 acres of poor producing land into this program. It gives "your" wild animals a place to stay. You get a little back for all the ammenites you provide our little game animals. Win/Win right?? It's the bad apples that need to be contained!

 

[P Joe]

Third my family and I are avid hunters. I will not tolerate hunters coming out on my property and expecting that I am obligated to let them hunt. Especially ones that do not know you until hunting season arrives or ones that guess that you might get gov program money and they are the judge and jury and are gonna EVEN things out by hunting on your property.
The thing that chaps me are the ones that want to hunt and you tell them that your family comes first because they help you all year round and then they ask you again after you explained to them.
I have gotten very little gov money as I do not have corn, crp or public grazing lands. I do not believe there is any person in this country that can say they have never gotten gov money of some sort at some point.

I still don't see what this has to do with any form of the welfare we have been talking about. I agree with you 100% on what you are saying. But answer this, If you put all your land into CRP, the taxpayer footed most/all the cost to plant this habitat and then you turned around and started a "family" hunting business, would you consider that right?

Next the hunters are subsidized. There liscence fee will no where cover the cost that the Wildlife dept spends. There money comes from the tax rolls. One can just look at ALL the land they purchase.

BS. I want to see numbers. South Dakota numbers. The land purchases come from licensing fees, grazing fees, sales of BLM/School land. You have no idea how much $ GF&P takes in do you? Think about it, if 10,000 out-of-state pheasant hunters hunt every year, there is a million dollars of free revenue right there. That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.

On a personal note, I have never been given a dime for any hunt. Have you? I would like to get signed up for that program!

Then there is the game wardens that want to come on your property. They pretend to be checking hunters, when 99% of the time they are scouting for their own hunting Heck I could go on and on on the GW's but I have said enough

Sure their are some bad wardens. Answer this though, when was the last time this specifically happen to you on your land while you were hunting?? I don't want to hear you heard it from a neighbor, or friend, or friend of a friend. Specifically that it happened to you!