Face it Oldtimer, the US has an inadequate traceback system because you have no ID system. You can't find cattle if they aren't ID'd!Oldtimer said:
Is that different than the chickens from "non-communist" China? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oldtimer said:
Oldtimer you must not of had a tv or newspaper when they were killing and burning all those cattle with hm last century :roll: That is one thing you will not keep out with mcool or import restrictions. Someone with bad intentions can toss it along a road in a couple of states and bring us to our knees pretty quick. I do not care to see as many ''burn'' piles as they had in GreatBritian. If they had to burn that % here it would sure take a lot of diesel and tires :shock:
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http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2006/02/04/20060204waclivestock.html
New ID system to impact livestock big and small
By J.B. Smith Tribune-Herald staff writer
Saturday, February 04, 2006
The government wants to learn where the nation's livestock live, whether in massive feedlots or backyard chicken coops.
It's a daunting and controversial goal, but the first challenge is getting the word out.
Starting July 1, Texans who own livestock of any kind or number must register with the state and pay an administrative fee of $20 for two years.
The state program is a step toward a National Animal Identification System, which is intended to allow health officials to track potentially devastating diseases such as avian bird flu, hoof and mouth disease and mad cow disease. Other states are also phasing in rules with the aim of collaborating in a national tracking system by 2009.
Farmers and ranchers have been debating the national system since it was announced two years ago, with some raising privacy concerns. But it appears many small-time livestock raisers are unaware that they too will have to sign up.
"I don't know the general public realizes that yet," said Will Kiker, a McLennan County agriculture extension agent. "Eventually they will, but it will take some time to get the word out."
The Texas Animal Health Commission is set to vote Feb. 16 on details of the first phase of the program, and it will accept public comment until Monday.
The first phase, premise identification, simply requires livestock owners to register with the state and disclose their address and species of animals they are raising. Show barns, slaughterhouses, veterinary clinics and other facilities that handle animals will also have to register.
For those who register before July 1, the first two-year fee of $20 will be waived. By last December, 4,200 premises in Texas were already voluntarily registered. Owners can register online or submit their comments on the proposed rules at www.tahc.state.tx.us.
In the next few years, livestock owners will have to tag certain species of animals if they are moved from their original herd or mixed with animals from other places. By 2009, owners must report all animals that are sold, moved, commingled or slaughtered, information that will go into a national database. Those records will allow health officials to trace a disease outbreak to its origin and quarantine infected areas.
Texas Animal Health Commission officials expect that smaller livestock, such as poultry and hogs, could be tracked in groups rather than individuals, though the details haven't been worked out.
Meanwhile, state officials have gotten an earful from livestock owners who worry that the system will be burdensome or intrusive on their privacy.
Kenny Edgar, coordinator of the state program, said the public comment process has revealed many suspicions about the program. He said owner data will be confidential, reserved for use by health officials and off-limits to the IRS and other agencies.
"You'd be surprised what people think we're going to do with it. They are worried about a potential infringement on their rights. I see their concerns, but if you step back and look at the overall question, it's just a way to trace diseases."
The program has the support of major agricultural groups, such as the Texas Farm Bureau and Texas and Southwest Cattle Raisers Association.
Farm Bureau officials say a tracking system would help reduce livestock deaths and help ensure that the U.S. can export meat.
"We're for a system that will provide traceback information for animal disease issues," said Dan Dierschke, Central Texas director of the Farm Bureau. "Our concern is that it's the least possible cost for the producer and that all producer information will be confidential. We would prefer that it not get into the hands of animal activists."
He said he's satisfied those concerns have been addressed.
Dierschke, who runs about 400 head of cattle in northern Travis County, said he already tags his animals and the new registration system wouldn't be an inconvenience for him.
He said the system would save producers from the kind of headache he once had, when he sold a calf to a feedlot that turned out to have some diseased cattle. His ranch and others that sold to the feedlot were quarantined until veterinarians could test all the herds.
Dierschke said he and other ranchers could benefit even more from the system if it included a voluntary program that would allow buyers to view the records of livestock from participating ranchers. Some buyers would be willing to pay up to $50 a head more for animals that come with information about birthweight and breeding, he said.
"It's a burden, but I'm also seeing it as the basis for adding value to my animals," Dierschke said of animal tracking.
The registration system that goes into effect this summer will include even youth who show animals with FFA or the 4-H Club. Ultimately, county fairs and livestock shows will have to record each animal and submit the information to the national system.
Robinson High School vocational agriculture director Mark Rose said the tracking system could be valuable not only in containing disease but also in preventing dishonesty at shows.
But he said youth agriculture should get a discount on the registration fee.
"That $20 registration fee might not seem like a whole lot, but I'd like to see them extend that for more than two years," he said. "For students, I'd like to see them cut us a break."
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New ID system to impact livestock big and small
By J.B. Smith Tribune-Herald staff writer
Saturday, February 04, 2006
The government wants to learn where the nation's livestock live, whether in massive feedlots or backyard chicken coops.
It's a daunting and controversial goal, but the first challenge is getting the word out.
Starting July 1, Texans who own livestock of any kind or number must register with the state and pay an administrative fee of $20 for two years.
The state program is a step toward a National Animal Identification System, which is intended to allow health officials to track potentially devastating diseases such as avian bird flu, hoof and mouth disease and mad cow disease. Other states are also phasing in rules with the aim of collaborating in a national tracking system by 2009.
Farmers and ranchers have been debating the national system since it was announced two years ago, with some raising privacy concerns. But it appears many small-time livestock raisers are unaware that they too will have to sign up.
"I don't know the general public realizes that yet," said Will Kiker, a McLennan County agriculture extension agent. "Eventually they will, but it will take some time to get the word out."
The Texas Animal Health Commission is set to vote Feb. 16 on details of the first phase of the program, and it will accept public comment until Monday.
The first phase, premise identification, simply requires livestock owners to register with the state and disclose their address and species of animals they are raising. Show barns, slaughterhouses, veterinary clinics and other facilities that handle animals will also have to register.
For those who register before July 1, the first two-year fee of $20 will be waived. By last December, 4,200 premises in Texas were already voluntarily registered. Owners can register online or submit their comments on the proposed rules at www.tahc.state.tx.us.
In the next few years, livestock owners will have to tag certain species of animals if they are moved from their original herd or mixed with animals from other places. By 2009, owners must report all animals that are sold, moved, commingled or slaughtered, information that will go into a national database. Those records will allow health officials to trace a disease outbreak to its origin and quarantine infected areas.
Texas Animal Health Commission officials expect that smaller livestock, such as poultry and hogs, could be tracked in groups rather than individuals, though the details haven't been worked out.
Meanwhile, state officials have gotten an earful from livestock owners who worry that the system will be burdensome or intrusive on their privacy.
Kenny Edgar, coordinator of the state program, said the public comment process has revealed many suspicions about the program. He said owner data will be confidential, reserved for use by health officials and off-limits to the IRS and other agencies.
"You'd be surprised what people think we're going to do with it. They are worried about a potential infringement on their rights. I see their concerns, but if you step back and look at the overall question, it's just a way to trace diseases."
The program has the support of major agricultural groups, such as the Texas Farm Bureau and Texas and Southwest Cattle Raisers Association.
Farm Bureau officials say a tracking system would help reduce livestock deaths and help ensure that the U.S. can export meat.
"We're for a system that will provide traceback information for animal disease issues," said Dan Dierschke, Central Texas director of the Farm Bureau. "Our concern is that it's the least possible cost for the producer and that all producer information will be confidential. We would prefer that it not get into the hands of animal activists."
He said he's satisfied those concerns have been addressed.
Dierschke, who runs about 400 head of cattle in northern Travis County, said he already tags his animals and the new registration system wouldn't be an inconvenience for him.
He said the system would save producers from the kind of headache he once had, when he sold a calf to a feedlot that turned out to have some diseased cattle. His ranch and others that sold to the feedlot were quarantined until veterinarians could test all the herds.
Dierschke said he and other ranchers could benefit even more from the system if it included a voluntary program that would allow buyers to view the records of livestock from participating ranchers. Some buyers would be willing to pay up to $50 a head more for animals that come with information about birthweight and breeding, he said.
"It's a burden, but I'm also seeing it as the basis for adding value to my animals," Dierschke said of animal tracking.
The registration system that goes into effect this summer will include even youth who show animals with FFA or the 4-H Club. Ultimately, county fairs and livestock shows will have to record each animal and submit the information to the national system.
Robinson High School vocational agriculture director Mark Rose said the tracking system could be valuable not only in containing disease but also in preventing dishonesty at shows.
But he said youth agriculture should get a discount on the registration fee.
"That $20 registration fee might not seem like a whole lot, but I'd like to see them extend that for more than two years," he said. "For students, I'd like to see them cut us a break."
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Big Muddy rancher said:
Understand this. Most brand states have about 99% branding. The only state I know that "requires" branding is New Mexico. Unbranded cattle belong to the state. Calves can be unbranded at home, but unbranded cattle cannot have ownership transferred.
I can't imagine a state totally requiring branding as you technically would have to brand calves as soon as they hit the ground. What Montana probably does (and I don't know for sure) is that they will duly record for transfer animals that are unbranded. That doesn't mean that there is not an extremely high percentage of branding. I'm sure the percentage of branding in Montana exceeds the percentage of tag retention in Canada.
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ocm said:
Correct OCM- and on some community, government and tribal lease pastures and grazing associations in Montana all cattle are required to be branded before moving onto the pasture- If not and ownership cannot be discerned they're sold in the name of the State of Montana......
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Oldtimer said:
Please define ''some'' how many cattle did the state take posesion off? Does the money go into the general fund to help relieve the tax burden. If the brand law does not cover all cattle and producers how can you call it a ''law''?
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mwj said:
81-4-603. Taking up and disposition of estrays -- advertisement. (1) A stock inspector authorized by the department shall take into his possession an estray found in his district and shall either ship or arrange for the shipment of the estray to a licensed livestock market for sale, or he may hold the estray in his possession and care for the estray in the cheapest and most practicable manner for a period of not less than 30 days or more than 60 days, during which time he shall advertise that he holds the estray and that, unless claimed by the owner, he will on a date to be specified in the notice sell the estray at a public auction to the highest bidder for cash.
(2) The notice shall be published in the newspaper doing the county printing of the county in which the estray is found and in addition to that paper in a paper published in the town or city nearest the place in which the estray is held. This notice shall be published at least once a week for 4 consecutive weeks and shall contain a statement of the date of the sale, the place where the sale is to be held, and a general description of the estray, including the sex and the approximate age, together with an illustration of the brand and the position of the brand on the estray and a description of the place or locality where the estray was found or taken.
(3) The proceeds from the sale shall be disposed of under 81-4-605 and 81-4-606.
(4) The owner of the estray may appear and claim it at any time before the sale or shipment, as provided in this part, upon payment to the department of the cost of caring for the estray as determined by the department.
History: En. Sec. 2, Ch. 34, L. 1915; re-en. Sec. 3334, R.C.M. 1921; re-en. Sec. 3334, R.C.M. 1935; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 34, L. 1943; amd. Sec. 134, Ch. 310, L. 1974; R.C.M. 1947, 46-1002; amd. Sec. 17, Ch. 166, L. 1989.
81-4-606. Publication of description of estrays sold -- disposition of proceeds remaining in state treasury. A full description of estrays for which the proceeds derived from the sale remains in the hands of the treasurer unclaimed shall be published for the period of two consecutive weekly, semimonthly, or monthly issues after May 1 of each year in not more than four weekly, semimonthly, or monthly publications in this state. The publications shall be designated by the department, and when the publication has been made and the proceeds from the sale of the estrays has remained in the hands of the state treasurer for a period of 2 years, it shall be, by the treasurer, upon request of the department, immediately placed to the credit of the state special revenue fund for the use of the department.
History: En. Sec. 5, Ch. 2, L. 1911; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 20, L. 1919; re-en. Sec. 3338, R.C.M. 1921; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 63, L. 1927; re-en. Sec. 3338, R.C.M. 1935; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 95, L. 1941; amd. Sec. 107, Ch. 147, L. 1963; amd. Sec. 138, Ch. 310, L. 1974; R.C.M. 1947, 46-1006; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 277, L. 1983.
I can't tell you how many statewide require it- I've seen 25-30 calves come off one grazing association in one given year--- but in this area much of the land is large tracts of public or some type of government land or grazing associations--Many with multiple owners running in one lease--They require ID so they know who's cattle they are running and how many belong to whom....No ID and they can be picked up as estrays and you have to then be able to prove ownership to claim...
It is very much a law because you cannot move an animal across a county line or change ownership without having it inspected or be in violation of this law:
81-3-211. Inspection of livestock before change of ownership or removal from county -- transportation permits. (1) For the purposes of this section:
(a) "Family business entity" means:
(i) a corporation whose stock is owned solely by members of the same family;
(ii) a partnership in which the partners are all members of the same family;
(iii) an association whose members are all members of the same family; or
(iv) any other entity owned solely by members of the same family.
(b) "Members of the same family" means a group whose membership is determined by including an individual, the individual's spouse, and the individual's parents, children, grandchildren, and the spouses of each.
(c) "Rodeo producer" means a person who produces or furnishes livestock that is used for rodeo purposes.
(2) Except as otherwise provided in this part, it is unlawful to remove or cause to be removed from a county in this state any livestock or to transfer ownership by sale or otherwise or for an intended purchaser or a purchaser's agent to take possession of any livestock subject to title passing upon meeting or satisfaction of any conditions, unless the livestock have been inspected for brands by a state stock inspector or deputy state stock inspector and a certificate of the inspection has been issued in connection with and for the purpose of the transportation or removal or of the change of ownership as provided in this part. The inspection must be made in daylight. However, the change of ownership inspection requirements of this subsection do not apply when the change of ownership transaction is accomplished without the livestock changing premises, involves part of a herd to which livestock have not been added other than by natural increase or after brand inspection, and is between:
(a) members of the same family;
(b) a member of one family and the same family's business entity; or
(c) the same family's business entities.
(3) (a) It is unlawful to sell or offer for sale at a livestock market any livestock originating within any county in this state in which a livestock market is maintained or transported under a market consignment permit until the livestock has been inspected for marks and brands by a state stock inspector, as provided in this part.
(b) It is unlawful to slaughter livestock at a licensed livestock slaughterhouse unless the livestock has been inspected for marks or brands by a state or deputy state stock inspector.
(4) It is unlawful to remove or cause to be removed any livestock from the premises of a livestock market in this state unless the livestock has been released by a state stock inspector and a certificate of release for the livestock has been issued in connection with and for the purpose of the removal from the premises of the livestock market. The release obtained pursuant to this subsection will permit the movement of the released livestock directly to the destination shown on the certificate.
(5) The person in charge of livestock being removed from a county in this state, when inspection is required by this section, when a change of ownership has occurred, or when moved under a market consignment permit or a market release certificate, must have in the person's possession the certificate of inspection, market consignment permit, transportation permit, or market release certificate and shall exhibit the certificate to any sheriff, deputy sheriff, constable, highway patrol officer, state stock inspector, or deputy state stock inspector upon request. Section 81-3-204 must be extended to livestock transported or sold under the permits.
(6) The following transportation permits may be issued:
(a) If a saddle, work, or show horse is being transported from county to county in this state by the owner for the owner's personal use or business or if cattle are being transported from county to county in this state by their owner for show purposes and there is no change of ownership, the inspection certificate required by this section may be endorsed, as to the purpose and extent of transportation, by the inspector issuing the certificate in order to serve as a travel permit in this state for a period not to exceed 1 year for the horse or cattle described in the certificate. The permit becomes void upon any transfer of ownership or if the horse or cattle are to be removed from the state. If the permit is void, an inspection must be secured for removal and the endorsed certificate must be surrendered.
(b) The owner of a saddle, work, or show horse may apply for a permanent transportation permit valid for both interstate and intrastate transportation of the horse until there is a change of ownership. To obtain a permit, a horse must have either a registered brand that has been legally cleared or a lip tattoo or the owner is required to present proof of ownership to a state stock inspector or a specially qualified deputy stock inspector. A written application, on forms to be provided by the department, must be completed by the owner and presented to a state stock inspector or a specially qualified deputy stock inspector, together with a permit fee established by the department, for each horse. The application must contain a thorough physical description of the horse and list all brands and tattoos carried by the horse. Upon approval of the application by a state stock inspector, a permanent transportation permit must be issued by the department to the owner for each horse, and the permit is valid for the life of the horse. If there is a change of ownership in a horse, the permit automatically is void. The permit must accompany the horse for which it was issued at all times while the horse is in transit. This permit is in lieu of other permits and certificates required under the provisions of this section. The state of Montana shall recognize as valid permanent transportation permits issued in other jurisdictions to the owner of a saddle, work, or show horse subsequently entering the state. A permit is automatically void upon a change of ownership.
(c) When livestock owned by and bearing the registered brand of a bona fide rodeo producer are being transported from county to county in this state by the owner for rodeo purposes and there is no change of ownership, the inspection certificate required by this section may be endorsed, as to the purpose and extent of transportation, by the inspector issuing the certificate in order to serve as a travel permit in this state for the livestock described in the certificate. The certificate is effective for the calendar year for which it is issued. The certificate must be issued by a state stock inspector.
(d) An owner of livestock or the owner's agent may be issued one transportation permit in a 12-month period allowing the movement of the livestock into an adjoining county and return when the livestock are being moved for grazing purposes and when they are being moved to and from land owned or controlled by the owner of the livestock or the owner's agent. The permit is valid for a period of 8 months from the date of issuance and must be issued by a state stock inspector. The permit may be issued only if the livestock are branded with the permittee's brand, which must be registered in Montana. The department shall establish a fee for the permit, to be paid to the state stock inspector at the time the permit is issued and remitted by the inspector to the department for deposit in the state treasury to the credit of the state special revenue fund for the use of the department. This permit may be used in lieu of the inspection and certificate required by this section for movement of livestock across a county line.
(7) Before any removal or change of ownership may take place, the seller of livestock shall request all required inspections and shall pay the required fees.
History: En. Sec. 1, Ch. 59, L. 1943; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 176, L. 1945; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 210, L. 1947; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 110, L. 1949; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 184, L. 1953; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 142, L. 1957; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 9, L. 1961; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 54, L. 1969; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 149, L. 1971; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 247, L. 1973; Sec. 46-801, R.C.M. 1947; amd. and redes. 46-801.2 by Sec. 102, Ch. 310, L. 1974; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 316, L. 1975; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 312, L. 1977; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 482, L. 1977; R.C.M. 1947, 46-801.2; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 190, L. 1979; amd. Sec. 4, Ch. 235, L. 1979; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 10, L. 1981; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 364, L. 1981; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 17, L. 1983; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 277, L. 1983; amd. Sec. 10, Ch. 444, L. 1983; amd. Sec. 5, Ch. 166, L. 1989; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 217, L. 1989; amd. Sec. 1, Ch. 380, L. 1995; amd. Sec. 2, Ch. 376, L. 1997.
Manitoba_Rancher
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And they let you check these things out OT? the way you lie and avoid the truth on here how can you be trusted...
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Manitoba_Rancher said:
Yep- And I knew things were going to hell in a handbasket when the Supreme Court approved my Judgeship appointment :wink: ....
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Thats funny!!!!!!!!!
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Last week I told my wife I came up with a new definition of small town:
Last Thursday I had to preside as the Judge in a trial because the Judges had a conflict of interest--then on Friday I got a summons to be a Juror for a trial next week....
Still have an old Sheriff (retired) badge- so I could be Judge, Juror and Executioner and as retired Coroner pronounce them dead ........Bet I could speed up the system :wink: .....
Last Thursday I had to preside as the Judge in a trial because the Judges had a conflict of interest--then on Friday I got a summons to be a Juror for a trial next week....
Still have an old Sheriff (retired) badge- so I could be Judge, Juror and Executioner and as retired Coroner pronounce them dead ........Bet I could speed up the system :wink: .....
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MRJ said:
No MRJ- But I do believe meat and infected materials like blood from diseased animals can infect other animals-and humans----and with Japan and Canada having higher rates we are increasing the risk to the US herd and consumer....
And for the life of me I can't see how that tag in the ear is going to stop that cow from eating infected material or becoming diseased.....
Whats your theory? Still seeing the Black Helicopters?
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Wednesday, February 15, 2006
Animal identification system bad idea
Copyright © 2006 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.
What the National Animal Identification System is going to do to small farmers everywhere is un-American.
The program calls for all farm animals (even backyard animals) to be registered and placed in a government database.
The system is far too broad. This program will require a microchip or Radio Frequency Identification Device (RFID) tag for each animal at the expense of the owner and a premises ID for every farm.
Owners must report all off-premises movements, births and slaughter, etc. Annual census forms, fees and red tape will jeopardize our freedoms and reduce or eliminate the small farmer. Remember, many fought for our freedoms.
There should at least be exemptions for non-food animals, and small farm livestock. NAIS is going to increase the cost of raising food by $3 billion just for the first year -- your tax dollars at work.
The program will restrict our personal freedoms, increase the reach of the government, increase taxes and drive the cost of food higher. Please familiarize yourselves with NAIS and ask your livestock associations and government officials to revise this plan.
Web sites to check: www.NoNAIS.org and http://www.newswithviews.com/Morrison/joyce23.htm
Maryann Blood
New Sharon
Animal identification system bad idea
Copyright © 2006 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.
What the National Animal Identification System is going to do to small farmers everywhere is un-American.
The program calls for all farm animals (even backyard animals) to be registered and placed in a government database.
The system is far too broad. This program will require a microchip or Radio Frequency Identification Device (RFID) tag for each animal at the expense of the owner and a premises ID for every farm.
Owners must report all off-premises movements, births and slaughter, etc. Annual census forms, fees and red tape will jeopardize our freedoms and reduce or eliminate the small farmer. Remember, many fought for our freedoms.
There should at least be exemptions for non-food animals, and small farm livestock. NAIS is going to increase the cost of raising food by $3 billion just for the first year -- your tax dollars at work.
The program will restrict our personal freedoms, increase the reach of the government, increase taxes and drive the cost of food higher. Please familiarize yourselves with NAIS and ask your livestock associations and government officials to revise this plan.
Web sites to check: www.NoNAIS.org and http://www.newswithviews.com/Morrison/joyce23.htm
Maryann Blood
New Sharon
I do think it is very important animals be able to be traced back to their place of origin. How exactly I'm not sure.
I also think branding is of great importance. If I raise it I am proud of my product and want to claim ownership. Am I missing something? :???:
I also think branding is of great importance. If I raise it I am proud of my product and want to claim ownership. Am I missing something? :???:
CattleRMe said:
They did, and they did it without a national ID program. Imports are required to be permanently marked. Health papers, title transfer papers, bangs tags, and brands all help trace back the origin of animals. These systems can be improved some to work better. The question is how much more would it cost to have a brand new national system compared to improving the existing ones.
And as the #1 reason says, the proposed systems don't work in field trials. Why impose a system that doesn't work?