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eatbeef

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What do you use for protein and energy supplements??

We have been using dried distillers pellets and feeding 4 lb. every other day with the cake box. 28% protein, 7.5% fat, cost $240 a ton last load we got in the spring and i know its alot more now. Feed from about January 15 to May 1, probably gonna have to start earlier this year.

Just curious on what others are doing, tubs, protein minerals, cubes, etc. with the high prices this year and the drought????
 
Were going to use a sugar based syrup that has all the minerals required mixed in 3#s per head per day were going to grind some hay and blend in the tmr with corn silage.The cost figures out to 38 cents per head per day tubs would be easier but hard to regulate. Biggest problem will be the 3 or 4 loads needing to be fed will most likely rotate cattle from field to field each day to give me time to get it all fed before the cattle all show up or just feed in a long line then come back and do it again an hour later.Problem lies in were 3 miles from the silage ground hay n syrup tank with close to 600 head eating. I may just split them up in smaller groups but the water becomes an issue then. Distillers syrup is an option I have also so we'll see most likely a blend of both types.I will still keep free choice mineral out even though they say there's no need.
 
30% all natural tubs while the cows are rustling trough the snow. Hay and grass keep them going the rest of the year. Salt and custom mix mineral at all times.

Rolling bales out is the cheapest mode of feeding short of bale grazing.
 
gcreekrch said:
30% all natural tubs while the cows are rustling trough the snow. Hay and grass keep them going the rest of the year. Salt and custom mix mineral at all times.

Rolling bales out is the cheapest mode of feeding short of bale grazing.
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say Gcreek what brand are the 30% all natural tubs? i can only find 20-22% in an all natural, anything higher has urea as a protein source.
 
hayguy said:
gcreekrch said:
30% all natural tubs while the cows are rustling trough the snow. Hay and grass keep them going the rest of the year. Salt and custom mix mineral at all times.

Rolling bales out is the cheapest mode of feeding short of bale grazing.
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say Gcreek what brand are the 30% all natural tubs? i can only find 20-22% in an all natural, anything higher has urea as a protein source.
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Now you're taxing my brain!

They are Canadian made, hard, and come in white tubs. I'll get the brand name for you. I may even end up with egg on my face with the all nat. part but I think they are.
 
gcreekrch said:
hayguy said:
gcreekrch said:
30% all natural tubs while the cows are rustling trough the snow. Hay and grass keep them going the rest of the year. Salt and custom mix mineral at all times.

Rolling bales out is the cheapest mode of feeding short of bale grazing.
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say Gcreek what brand are the 30% all natural tubs? i can only find 20-22% in an all natural, anything higher has urea as a protein source.
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Now you're taxing my brain!

They are Canadian made, hard, and come in white tubs. I'll get the brand name for you. I may even end up with egg on my face with the all nat. part but I think they are.
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Eggs are high in protien.
 
per said:
gcreekrch said:
hayguy said:
say Gcreek what brand are the 30% all natural tubs? i can only find 20-22% in an all natural, anything higher has urea as a protein source.
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Now you're taxing my brain!

They are Canadian made, hard, and come in white tubs. I'll get the brand name for you. I may even end up with egg on my face with the all nat. part but I think they are.
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Eggs are high in protien.
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And they come in white tubs. :D
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
per said:
gcreekrch said:
Now you're taxing my brain!

They are Canadian made, hard, and come in white tubs. I'll get the brand name for you. I may even end up with egg on my face with the all nat. part but I think they are.
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Eggs are high in protien.
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And they come in white tubs. :D
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Some come in brown tubs. :wink:
 
eatbeef said:
What do you use for protein and energy supplements??

We have been using dried distillers pellets and feeding 4 lb. every other day with the cake box. 28% protein, 7.5% fat, cost $240 a ton last load we got in the spring and i know its alot more now. Feed from about January 15 to May 1, probably gonna have to start earlier this year.

Just curious on what others are doing, tubs, protein minerals, cubes, etc. with the high prices this year and the drought????
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Probably can't beat what you are feeding but I am curious what the cows are getting for roughage
 
Probably can't beat what you are feeding but I am curious what the cows are getting for roughage
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Grass until sometime in November, then corn and/or milo stalks until March 1 then calving pastures and ground hay mix of alfalfa/sudan/grass/straw fed in turned tractor tires.
 
Not to hard to see what I'd recommend, especially with your plan for the next 6 months.

If you want tubs, the ones I've seen with the best consumption average are the Moorman's Roughage Buster 35% tubs. Or you could go Roughage Buster 60, 80, or 100% protein meal or blocks. Spendy, but pencils out good on a per head per day basis.
 
eatbeef said:
hey loomix guy, what are loomix new tubs lilke? and price wise compared to the moormans roughage buster?
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I can't say for certain, as LOOMIX doesn't have a real good supply line for their tubs and dry mineral just yet, and if I need tubs, the mill in Grand Island is only 65 miles away. I suspect they are basically rehashed ADM tubs, with a little tweaking on the ingredients. And...my cost on them is more than the regular ADM tubs. Just about any tubs will be cheaper per ton than the Moorman's RB 35%, BUT, they are 35% protein and the consumption per head per day should pencil out cheaper that way than with just about any other tubs, plus, they contain biuret, which is a wonderful thing.
 
hayguy said:
question for those in the KNOW, protein from non-natural sources =e.g. urea should not be fed to calves under 500 lbs. is this factual?
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I have never heard that before. Even that bastion of football "greatness", Kansas State University, says a small amount of urea is beneficial for weight gain, even on grass. That is why our LOOMIX trough products all contain 3% urea....and I have calves consuming LOOMIX from the day they hit the ground, so they are getting some urea.

You wouldn't want to overdo it with the urea, though.....
 
loomixguy said:
hayguy said:
question for those in the KNOW, protein from non-natural sources =e.g. urea should not be fed to calves under 500 lbs. is this factual?
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I have never heard that before. Even that bastion of football "greatness", Kansas State University, says a small amount of urea is beneficial for weight gain, even on grass. That is why our LOOMIX trough products all contain 3% urea....and I have calves consuming LOOMIX from the day they hit the ground, so they are getting some urea.

You wouldn't want to overdo it with the urea, though.....
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I tend to agree with you, Loomixguy. I recently learned that a SMALL amount of urea can be a good thing.

We have a product that is soybean meal based, 44% protein that has a bit of urea in it and it can be made as a custom mix with rumensin. We have
a yearling man feeding it right now.
 
In another life we fed a couple hundred Holstein bull calves up for "red veal". They got free-choice shelled corn supplemented with a Masterfeeds product called Tend-R-Leen.

It was a 36% protein supp with 16% from urea. We fed it from the time they would start to eat corn (about 4 weeks old) until they were finished at about 550lbs. in those days.

Great product, great gains, but very expensive per tonne.


http://www.tendrleen.com/proginfo.htm
 
Urea is pretty much just Ammonia. Whatever age cattle you feed it to, make sure they have plenty of hay/roughage to go along with it.

Cottonseed, whether whole or mealed will always be my preferred protein source for cows in lactation.
 
Mike said:
Urea is pretty much just Ammonia. Whatever age cattle you feed it to, make sure they have plenty of hay/roughage to go along with it.

Cottonseed, whether whole or mealed will always be my preferred protein source for cows in lactation.
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The OLD cottonseed cake, before they pressed the oil out, could not be
beat. Tough to find now, and spendy, if you do find it.
 

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