Supreme court

[cowman52]

Read this morning that the supreme court is taking a case over the patent on genetic seeds and if farmers could be prohibited from planting them.
First I had read anything, suit is over roundup tolerant seeds, could filter down to all seeds.
Any one else read anything about it?

 

[Anonymous]

Farmer faces tough path in Supreme Court patent fight over genetically engineered soybeans


By Associated Press,

Updated: Tuesday, February 19, 12:33 PM



WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court appeared likely Tuesday to side with Monsanto Co. in its claim that an Indiana farmer violated the company's patents on soybean seeds that are resistant to its weed-killer.

None of the justices in arguments at the high court seemed ready to endorse farmer Vernon Hugh Bowman's argument that cheap soybeans he bought from a grain elevator are not covered by the Monsanto patents, even though most of them also were genetically modified to resist the company's Roundup herbicide.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/indiana-farmer-is-the-face-of-supreme-court-patent-fight-over-genetically-engineered-soybeans/2013/02/19/51217c16-7a6a-11e2-9c27-fdd594ea6286_story.html

I think this is the one you are talking of....

 

[jigs]

I think Monsanto is raping the farmer. they get high seed profit PLUS stick it to you on chemical... why do they not charge a tech fee in South America??

 

[mrj]

Maybe it's because South Africa has truly starving people to feed who need all the help they can get?

If this case goes against Monsanto, won't it affect ALL entities who do research, develop new and improved seed and other such things from spending the almost too large to imagine amounts of money that takes, if they have no way to recoup the costs?

mrj

 

[mwj]

Article in yesterdays paper talked about this since it is only a couple hundred miles away. The older farmer was looking for CHEAP seed for late or replant beans. He fully admits to looking for a LOOPHOLE in the law. He was buying beans from the elevator with the chance of being rr pretty high and he used them that way. He was pushing his luck when he himself saving his own seed was against the law. I can not feel sorry for him. He made the bet and did not draw the cards he needed for the hand :cowboy:

 

[mwj]

I think Monsanto is raping the farmer. they get high seed profit PLUS stick it to you on chemical... why do they not charge a tech fee in South America??

You can buy seed from any number of company's and for soybeans you can raise your own seed with no restrictions if you want. It is a little bit like buying bulls if you raise your own they could be cheap but might not be economical. As far as the price of roundup, the generics on the market make it one of the cheapest options for chemical that a farmer can use and if that is to much you can still cultivate and not use any chemical.

 

[LazyWP]

I don't have any problem with Monsanto collecting money on the seed. They are the ones that developed, tested and marketed the whole thing. I, too think that they should be charging the tech fee all across the world. Then it should cut the cost dramatically.
What ever happened to the organic farmer, that was suing Monsanto for the wind blown GMO plants? Think it was in Alberta several years ago.

 

[PATB]

Does this mean that monsanto and others are legally and financially responsible for non gmo seed that becomes pollinated with gmo traits?

 

[mrj]

What does the science on the probability/possibility of that happening?

Hadn't thought about relating this to livestock. Sure would be some mad ranchers if they were not allowed to save some of their own calves as bulls, wouldn't there?

Maybe we are too fearful of not choosing wisely enough to do that on this ranch, tho a friend many years ago asked us to save one for him, which we did, and he was happy for many years with his black bull from SD.

mrj

 

[PATB]

I would save the chance of cross pollination is very high considering winds, how close the fields are and insect movement.

 

[Anonymous]

I would save the chance of cross pollination is very high considering winds, how close the fields are and insect movement.

Yep- or in the case of roundup ready canola- blowing out of/off from trucks transporting it to the elevators....
Canola is becoming the road ditch weed in some areas anymore.... I see more and more of it showing up in my fields and pastures that border the highway every year...

 

[wdcook]

I think Monsanto is raping the farmer. they get high seed profit PLUS stick it to you on chemical... why do they not charge a tech fee in South America??

That is just a ridiculous statement. No one is forced to use Monsanto products and if anyone wants to use them they should abide by their rules. If we want new technology in Ag. we must be willing to reimburse those who do the research and development.

IMHO, "The Little Red Hen" shoould be required reading for all American citizens.

 

[3 M L & C]

I think Monsanto is raping the farmer. they get high seed profit PLUS stick it to you on chemical... why do they not charge a tech fee in South America??

That is just a ridiculous statement. No one is forced to use Monsanto products and if anyone wants to use them they should abide by their rules. If we want new technology in Ag. we must be willing to reimburse those who do the research and development.

IMHO, "The Little Red Hen" shoould be required reading for all American citizens.

Monsanto owns the Roundup Ready trait as they started it every seed company pays them to use the RR traits. Regardless of what brand seed you buy if it is Roundup Ready you are under the same rule that you can't use your crops for seed. If you think otherwise you are mistaken. This is becoming a non issue for me as I am going completely away from roundup. The only thing it kills here anymore is grass. I have heard people say some are trying to do away with the roundup gene but Monsanto is pushing back because every year they own the RoundupReady gene they make several billions of dollars from all the seed sales from all companies.

 

[mrj]

Unless Monsanto prevents any seed which is NOT Roundup Ready from being sold, what is wrong in other companies buying that trait from them?

Would they even be able to afford to develop modern technology if SOME of their efforts didn't pay off?

Certainly not every attempt by scientists who dream of a better way to do things succeeds. Do you suppose that is where some of those 'evil' $$$$$$$$$$$$$ goes?

Unless and until we have valid proof of something unlawful or wrong done by Monsanto and other such companies, to compare with the good they have done for food production, maybe we should keep an open mind and refrain from attacking them because they are successful, or even because we do not agree with their work. And I don't even know if we have used any of their products!!!!!

mj

 

[mwj]

Unless Monsanto prevents any seed which is NOT Roundup Ready from being sold, what is wrong in other companies buying that trait from them?

Would they even be able to afford to develop modern technology if SOME of their efforts didn't pay off?

Certainly not every attempt by scientists who dream of a better way to do things succeeds. Do you suppose that is where some of those 'evil' $$$$$$$$$$$$$ goes?

Unless and until we have valid proof of something unlawful or wrong done by Monsanto and other such companies, to compare with the good they have done for food production, maybe we should keep an open mind and refrain from attacking them because they are successful, or even because we do not agree with their work. And I don't even know if we have used any of their products!!!!!

mj

Most everyone in the cattle business has benefited from Monsanto by larger amounts of grain and lower grain prices. When the grain prices go thru the roof it impacts the price of all calves even the ones raised hundreds of miles from the nearest corn field. :cboy:

 

[Anonymous]

Herbicide Resistance Issues Go Global

Northern Ag Network posted on February 21, 2013 10:08 :: 125 Views




by Pam Smith, Crops Technology Editor



FREMANTLE, Western Australia (DTN) -- Nearly 300 weed scientists from 33 countries are Down Under this week -- digging into the science of herbicide resistance. Stephen Powles, Australian Herbicide Resistance Initiative (AHRI) director, told DTN in an interview that the evolution of herbicide resistance in weeds poses a real threat to global food production and security.



"Especially in the major global grain crops such as rice, wheat, maize and soybean, herbicide-resistant weeds are a real threat to productivity," Powles said. "We must win the battle against herbicide resistance, just as medical science must win the battle against antibiotic resistance. To do so, we need good science coupled with good agronomy and good engineering."



Australia has been at the center of the herbicide-resistant weed battle. Annual ryegrass, Lolium rigidum, is the most serious and costly weed of cropping systems in the southern grains region of this country.



"When Europeans moved to Australia, they started a sheep industry, and they planted ryegrass across the nation when the sheep was king. For 100 years, our agriculture was 300 million sheep," Powles said.



About 50 years ago, much of that land began to be converted to cropping. "We had huge populations of ryegrass on every field that we belted hard with herbicides in no-tillage agriculture with no diversity. It quickly evolved resistance all over the place. So we created our own problem," he explained.



In Australia, herbicide resistance in annual ryegrass has been confirmed in 10 different herbicide groups. Herbicides that have diminished utility include common names such as glyphosate, paraquat, atrazine, diuron and trifluralin, among others.



U.S. growers have recently found benefits in using a different species of annual ryegrass, Lolium multiflorum, for cover crops. Powles said he understands the value of that system, but sends a warning. "Everyone should be aware that ryegrass is the world's greatest resistance champion. It can easily evolve resistance, so you cannot continue to use any single herbicide," he noted.



Australia is dominated by wheat and Powles explained that Australian farmers have nearly all adopted no-till. "So there's no diversity and they've used low [herbicide] rates. It's a recipe for resistance," he said.



Wild radish is another weed species causing major headaches. "It is our version of Palmer amaranth and waterhemp in the U.S.," Powles said. "It is a really nasty weed and it is evolving resistance to a lot of the herbicides -- not as fast as ryegrass did, but then we had huge numbers of ryegrass."



Powles has been a valued adviser to U.S. weed scientists and farmers as they seek to battle back against herbicide resistance. This week's conference -- the first of its kind in 30 years and the first ever in the Southern Hemisphere -- reflects a global reinvigoration of research and international collaboration on herbicide resistance. Chemical company scientists are also in attendance. Powles hopes the venue will draw minds together to come up with cooperation and solutions for the common good.



"In the U.S., the weed control is nearly 100% achieved with herbicides. The entire system has greatly overused Roundup Ready crops. It is a great technology that has been overused and is being driven to redundancy over vast areas.



"The future for U.S. farmers is going to have to be more diversity," he stated. "Reaching for the next jug every year -- and using the same jug -- that lesson is being learned with glyphosate.



"The farmers and all those that advise them mustrealize that any herbicide used across large areas with no diversity will result in resistance," Powles noted.



"If every U.S. (farmer) switches from Roundup Ready crops to LibertyLink crops, there will be glufosinate resistance. It's that simple."

With the positives come the negatives....

 

[mwj]

Herbicide Resistance Issues Go Global

Northern Ag Network posted on February 21, 2013 10:08 :: 125 Views




by Pam Smith, Crops Technology Editor



FREMANTLE, Western Australia (DTN) -- Nearly 300 weed scientists from 33 countries are Down Under this week -- digging into the science of herbicide resistance. Stephen Powles, Australian Herbicide Resistance Initiative (AHRI) director, told DTN in an interview that the evolution of herbicide resistance in weeds poses a real threat to global food production and security.



"Especially in the major global grain crops such as rice, wheat, maize and soybean, herbicide-resistant weeds are a real threat to productivity," Powles said. "We must win the battle against herbicide resistance, just as medical science must win the battle against antibiotic resistance. To do so, we need good science coupled with good agronomy and good engineering."



Australia has been at the center of the herbicide-resistant weed battle. Annual ryegrass, Lolium rigidum, is the most serious and costly weed of cropping systems in the southern grains region of this country.



"When Europeans moved to Australia, they started a sheep industry, and they planted ryegrass across the nation when the sheep was king. For 100 years, our agriculture was 300 million sheep," Powles said.



About 50 years ago, much of that land began to be converted to cropping. "We had huge populations of ryegrass on every field that we belted hard with herbicides in no-tillage agriculture with no diversity. It quickly evolved resistance all over the place. So we created our own problem," he explained.



In Australia, herbicide resistance in annual ryegrass has been confirmed in 10 different herbicide groups. Herbicides that have diminished utility include common names such as glyphosate, paraquat, atrazine, diuron and trifluralin, among others.



U.S. growers have recently found benefits in using a different species of annual ryegrass, Lolium multiflorum, for cover crops. Powles said he understands the value of that system, but sends a warning. "Everyone should be aware that ryegrass is the world's greatest resistance champion. It can easily evolve resistance, so you cannot continue to use any single herbicide," he noted.



Australia is dominated by wheat and Powles explained that Australian farmers have nearly all adopted no-till. "So there's no diversity and they've used low [herbicide] rates. It's a recipe for resistance," he said.



Wild radish is another weed species causing major headaches. "It is our version of Palmer amaranth and waterhemp in the U.S.," Powles said. "It is a really nasty weed and it is evolving resistance to a lot of the herbicides -- not as fast as ryegrass did, but then we had huge numbers of ryegrass."



Powles has been a valued adviser to U.S. weed scientists and farmers as they seek to battle back against herbicide resistance. This week's conference -- the first of its kind in 30 years and the first ever in the Southern Hemisphere -- reflects a global reinvigoration of research and international collaboration on herbicide resistance. Chemical company scientists are also in attendance. Powles hopes the venue will draw minds together to come up with cooperation and solutions for the common good.



"In the U.S., the weed control is nearly 100% achieved with herbicides. The entire system has greatly overused Roundup Ready crops. It is a great technology that has been overused and is being driven to redundancy over vast areas.



"The future for U.S. farmers is going to have to be more diversity," he stated. "Reaching for the next jug every year -- and using the same jug -- that lesson is being learned with glyphosate.



"The farmers and all those that advise them mustrealize that any herbicide used across large areas with no diversity will result in resistance," Powles noted.



"If every U.S. (farmer) switches from Roundup Ready crops to LibertyLink crops, there will be glufosinate resistance. It's that simple."

With the positives come the negatives....

OT you are a piece of work Your cattle prices are directly tied to cheap grain but you want to spread around a bunch of half truths like Flounder does . Kinda like griping about the meal that was served AFTER you filled your belly.

 

[jigs]

here, you can not get by with just round up..too many resistant weeds. like every chemical, it was used and abused, now we are fighting to save fields from weeds and grasses....

Monsanto is wrong. Did Henry ford force all others to pay him a tech fee for developing the assembly line? then turn around and not let you build your own car out of the 5 you own?? PLUS, sell you the gas to run that car??

 

[Anonymous]

Herbicide Resistance Issues Go Global

Northern Ag Network posted on February 21, 2013 10:08 :: 125 Views




by Pam Smith, Crops Technology Editor



FREMANTLE, Western Australia (DTN) -- Nearly 300 weed scientists from 33 countries are Down Under this week -- digging into the science of herbicide resistance. Stephen Powles, Australian Herbicide Resistance Initiative (AHRI) director, told DTN in an interview that the evolution of herbicide resistance in weeds poses a real threat to global food production and security.



"Especially in the major global grain crops such as rice, wheat, maize and soybean, herbicide-resistant weeds are a real threat to productivity," Powles said. "We must win the battle against herbicide resistance, just as medical science must win the battle against antibiotic resistance. To do so, we need good science coupled with good agronomy and good engineering."



Australia has been at the center of the herbicide-resistant weed battle. Annual ryegrass, Lolium rigidum, is the most serious and costly weed of cropping systems in the southern grains region of this country.



"When Europeans moved to Australia, they started a sheep industry, and they planted ryegrass across the nation when the sheep was king. For 100 years, our agriculture was 300 million sheep," Powles said.



About 50 years ago, much of that land began to be converted to cropping. "We had huge populations of ryegrass on every field that we belted hard with herbicides in no-tillage agriculture with no diversity. It quickly evolved resistance all over the place. So we created our own problem," he explained.



In Australia, herbicide resistance in annual ryegrass has been confirmed in 10 different herbicide groups. Herbicides that have diminished utility include common names such as glyphosate, paraquat, atrazine, diuron and trifluralin, among others.



U.S. growers have recently found benefits in using a different species of annual ryegrass, Lolium multiflorum, for cover crops. Powles said he understands the value of that system, but sends a warning. "Everyone should be aware that ryegrass is the world's greatest resistance champion. It can easily evolve resistance, so you cannot continue to use any single herbicide," he noted.



Australia is dominated by wheat and Powles explained that Australian farmers have nearly all adopted no-till. "So there's no diversity and they've used low [herbicide] rates. It's a recipe for resistance," he said.



Wild radish is another weed species causing major headaches. "It is our version of Palmer amaranth and waterhemp in the U.S.," Powles said. "It is a really nasty weed and it is evolving resistance to a lot of the herbicides -- not as fast as ryegrass did, but then we had huge numbers of ryegrass."



Powles has been a valued adviser to U.S. weed scientists and farmers as they seek to battle back against herbicide resistance. This week's conference -- the first of its kind in 30 years and the first ever in the Southern Hemisphere -- reflects a global reinvigoration of research and international collaboration on herbicide resistance. Chemical company scientists are also in attendance. Powles hopes the venue will draw minds together to come up with cooperation and solutions for the common good.



"In the U.S., the weed control is nearly 100% achieved with herbicides. The entire system has greatly overused Roundup Ready crops. It is a great technology that has been overused and is being driven to redundancy over vast areas.



"The future for U.S. farmers is going to have to be more diversity," he stated. "Reaching for the next jug every year -- and using the same jug -- that lesson is being learned with glyphosate.



"The farmers and all those that advise them mustrealize that any herbicide used across large areas with no diversity will result in resistance," Powles noted.



"If every U.S. (farmer) switches from Roundup Ready crops to LibertyLink crops, there will be glufosinate resistance. It's that simple."

With the positives come the negatives....

OT you are a piece of work Your cattle prices are directly tied to cheap grain but you want to spread around a bunch of half truths like Flounder does . Kinda like griping about the meal that was served AFTER you filled your belly.

My intent was neither to be griping or spreading half truths...My intent was to put out more info on the subject...

I believe in looking at all sides to an issue- and not sticking my head in the sand because I don't agree with it or like it-- like some seem to do :roll: ...

All the sticking your head in the sand is not going to stop the main idea behind this story which is about the worldwide meeting about the herbicide resistance issue and concerns...
If you read the story from only one side of an issue- do you consider yourself educated on it... :???:

And as I sad before-- I've seen the positive of the resistant seeds with the good alfalfa crops you can get with roundup ready seeds-- but I've seen the negative also where roundup ready canola has gotten spread all over- is taking over areas- and is now being considered a weed in some parts of the country...

 

[LazyWP]

I still don't think Monsanto is to blame. The farmers HAVE to TAKE the responsibility, don't they? They were the ones that thought 8 oz of Roundup would keep a field clean. They were the ones that didn't tarp the loads of Canola on the way to town.
Once again we want to reap all the benefits, but take on none of the blame, when WE didn't do our due diligence!