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[COIN]

MRJ- All the associations do have their strengths and weaknesses. I was a staunch R-CALF supporter until I went to a meeting and was amazed by the ability of an officer in the group to twist and turn facts and manipulate data to present to the public. They have some valid points but need to figure out how to present them without a lawsuit. I am also discouraged by NCBA's support of the packers and what seems as a lack of disregard for the largest segment of the industry the cow-calf producers. Then again, I raise cattle, I don't harvest and process them thus making me biased as I examine the payouts we both get

RM-

Animal fats are detrimental to human health especially when they are not consumed in moderation. The caloric content alone in a similar serving size of prime steak compared to lean beef is enough for any nutritionist to balk at the idea of suggesting a prime steak compared to one of the leaner cuts for meals. The Inuit diet in which you suggest has a different fat profile compared to beef especially in the conjugated linoleic acid ratios.

All calories are the same. All nutrients however are not digested and metabolized in similar manners. I do not know how a sirloin steak has refined carbohydrates in it but maybe you grow your cattle different down south. You are correct in your assumption that the body reacts differently to different foods and in the comparison of refined carbs to steak.

I do not defend nor do I discredit the fast food burger industry. It goes back to the refined carbohydrates (the bun, the fries etc). You simply are hardpressed to find healthy meal choices at fast food restaurants. Why would I encourage kids or adults to eat somewhere so they can come back and say "Beef made me fat." When in reality it was the mayo, super sized fries, milkshake, 44 oz. soda etc. that made them fat. I am aware they are one of the largest consumers of beef but thanks for the refresh.

Grass finished beef when harvested at similar endpoints can be similar to grain finshed beef in fat content and marbling, yield and quality grade. Of course my beef is grass fed isn't most of it?

Congrats on your weight loss, I would love to know what changes in caloric intake, and exercise level you have made to achieve this loss, you are so proud of. I would suggest that has more to do with it than the content of your diet.

Just so you can try and manipulate it. I don't eat much beef. I do not like to reduce my profit margin.

 

[Sandhusker]

Never mind that Sandhusker preaches "give consumers what they want" when it serves his anti/NCBA hysteria, but quickly switches horses when consumers tell us they WANT lean beef!!!!

You don't know what you're talking about, MRJ. Where have I mentioned anything remotely close to advocating not giving consumers lean beef if they want it? If consumers want lean beef, I'm all for putting it in front of them. If they want BSE tested beef, give it to them. If they want beef from black steers named "Spot", give it to them. That's how you make sales and keep your business afloat. (How have our South Korean sales been the last 5 years? Japan? What about what those consumers WANT?) What I'm saying is that promoting lean over "fat beef" is perpetuating a fallacy on our product that is hurting sales and it needs to stop, especially by the beef board. I'll argue that the reason any consumers are asking for lean is because that is what they are being told that they want by, among others, the beef board.


From what I've seen, CBB is eager to run with promotion of MORE health benefits of beef, including the fat, WHEN THE RESEARCH IS VERIFIED AND ACCEPTED by the US medical/nutrition community and officials. Just as has been done with other nutrients such as the comparisons of nutrients between white meats, fish, and beef currently advertised.

WHEN, WHERE, AND WHO HAS VERIFIED THAT THE FATS DERIVED FROMBEEF ARE BAD FOR YOU? You've been asked this question many times before and never have an answer. Do you now?

Why is the beef board not jumping with both feet on research that could put all beef in a much more positive light? I don't understand the reluctance when the potential benefit is so large. You can't wait for somebody else to do it, nobody else has the financial incentive that producers have.

Are you going to give me the line that there is nothing to worry about as long as somebody is buying the beef and there is no beef rotting on the docks yet…? That was a classic.

 

[RobertMac]

Animal fats are detrimental to human health especially when they are not consumed in moderation.

Please show me the studies that support this...be sure they looked at animal fats separate from processed vegetable oils. Take a look here...

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

The caloric content alone in a similar serving size of prime steak compared to lean beef is enough for any nutritionist to balk at the idea of suggesting a prime steak compared to one of the leaner cuts for meals.

You should have said 'most' nutritionist, but, if you haven't already gathered, I don't agree with 'most' nutritionist...see above link. Most nutritionist go by the USDA food pyramid which is the politically correct food pyramid developed by mostly anti-meat advocates. If it weren't for lobbying by NCBA and AMI, there probably would be any meat at all recommended!!!! (mrj, I do give credit when it is due)

The Inuit diet in which you suggest has a different fat profile compared to beef especially in the conjugated linoleic acid ratios.

Didn't you mean the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio? Most grainfed beef has very little to no CLA. The fatty acid profile differences are in a small percentage of the fat...important as they are, it's not a good reason to not eat grainfed beef if you can eat grassfed!!!
The point about the Inuit is that they didn't have any of the chronic health problems that plagues Western civilization until the started eating the Western civilization diet...while on a diet of fat that most nutritionist blame for our chronic health problems today!!!!! There are other isolated cultures that had the same results when exposed to the Western diet.

All calories are the same. YES, as a unit of measure. All nutrients however are not digested and metabolized in similar manners. This is what makes calories different...their source.

I do not know how a sirloin steak has refined carbohydrates in it but maybe you grow your cattle different down south. You are correct in your assumption that the body reacts differently to different foods and in the comparison of refined carbs to steak.

Didn't mean to confuse you...the comparison was between calories of steak compared to calories of refined carbohydrates. And, yes I do grow my cattle differently than most everyone else, including other grassfed beef producers.

I do not defend nor do I discredit the fast food burger industry. It goes back to the refined carbohydrates (the bun, the fries etc). You simply are hardpressed to find healthy meal choices at fast food restaurants. Why would I encourage kids or adults to eat somewhere so they can come back and say "Beef made me fat." When in reality it was the mayo, super sized fries, milkshake, 44 oz. soda etc. that made them fat. I am aware they are one of the largest consumers of beef but thanks for the refresh.

You are correct, but wouldn't be to our advantage to work with the fast food industry to improve the healthfulness of their menu. That's what the poultry folks have done by getting them to introduce chicken sandwiches...the public believes poultry is more healthy than beef because poultry isn't associated with saturated fats. THE SATURATED FAT ASSOCIATION WITH BEEF IS WHAT HAS/IS KILLING BEEF SALES!!!!!!! And the idea that fat makes you fat which you and NCBA are promoting!

Grass finished beef when harvested at similar endpoints can be similar to grain finshed beef in fat content and marbling, yield and quality grade. Of course my beef is grass fed isn't most of it?

I agree, but the genetics must be right.

Congrats on your weight loss, I would love to know what changes in caloric intake, and exercise level you have made to achieve this loss, you are so proud of. I would suggest that has more to do with it than the content of your diet.

You would be wrong because my activities haven't changed since I weighed 185-190. If you are correct that fats are higher in calories, I'm probably have a higher calories intake now...at 165...and I'm never hungry. That's the flaw of the calories restricted diet with increased exercise...both make you more hungry, so eventually you will eat more and regain the weight you lost because you get tired of being hungry.

Raising and selling 100% grassfed beef has increased my profit margin.

 

[Boone1]

Funny (well not so funny) that someone who claims to work for the beef industry would post that awful animal abuse video on a blog, just so he can show off his TV appearance. Of course the footage lives on the internet anyway, but why would you want to post it on yet another site? That's just stupid.