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Greetings,


hope you folks do not mind if i butt right in here.


sandhusker wrote;


> When was your first positive, something like 1988?


actually, it was in an imported cow from Britain in 1993.


In the mid to late 1980s and early 1990s, like many OIE member countries, Canada found itself in possession of ruminants imported from the U.K. and other European nations during the interval that preceded their recognition as BSE-affected. In 1993, a beef cow imported from the U.K. expressed BSE clinically in the province of Alberta, as a downer animal within the importing herd. The detection of the animal was the direct result of Canada's active efforts dating to 1990. At that time, the disease had been made officially notifiable, and a tracing and monitoring program had been instituted to identify and periodically examine all animals previously imported into Canada from the U.K. prior to the suspension of live cattle imports in 1989. Canada's rapid despatch of the herd of residence of the 1993 index case, the infected animal's progeny, and the balance of its fellow U.K. imports is chronicled in the documents described earlier in this report.



http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/bseesb/evale.shtml



THEN 3 other cases since 2003 of BSE.



Technical Overview of BSE in Canada - March 2005


http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/heasan/disemala/bseesb/200503canadae.pdf



ABOUT the same as the USA if all cases would be documented with the half @ss
TSE surveillance program that is in place. it was essentially designed NOT to find BSE/TSE cattle,
except USDA et al could not even get that right. NOTHING like having 9,200 test with the least chance
to detect a TSE included in this June 2004 Enhanced BSE/TSE cover-up.



Daily Update

On August 17, 2005, no inconclusive test results were reported.

National Veterinary Services Laboratory (NVSL) Immunohistochemistry (IHC) Testing Summary

The BSE enhanced surveillance program involves the use of a rapid screening test, followed by confirmatory testing for any samples that come back "inconclusive." The weekly summary below captures all rapid tests conducted as part of the enhanced surveillance effort. It should be noted that since the enhanced surveillance program began, USDA has also conducted approximately 9,200 routine IHC tests on samples that did not first undergo rapid testing. This was done to ensure that samples inappropriate for the rapid screen test were still tested, and also to monitor and improve upon IHC testing protocols. Of those 9,200 routine tests, one test returned a non-definitive result on July 27, 2005. That sample underwent additional testing at NVSL, as well as at the Veterinary Laboratories Agency in Weybridge, England, and results were negative.
To view the IHC testing numbers from 1990 through 2004, click on the following link: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/surveillance/figure2f.html

Weekly Summary

Cumulative Total from June 1, 2004: 439,126


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse/surveillance/figure2f.html


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/issues/bse_testing/test_results.html



USDA 2003
We have to be careful that we don't get so set in the way we do things that
we forget to look for different emerging variations of disease. We've gotten
away from collecting the whole brain in our systems. We're using the brain
stem and we're looking in only one area. In Norway, they were doing a
project and looking at cases of Scrapie, and they found this where they did
not find lesions or PRP in the area of the obex. They found it in the
cerebellum and the cerebrum. It's a good lesson for us. Ames had to go
back and change the procedure for looking at Scrapie samples. In the USDA,
we had routinely looked at all the sections of the brain, and then we got
away from it. They've recently gone back.
Dr. Keller: Tissues are routinely tested, based on which tissue provides an
'official' test result as recognized by APHIS
.

Dr. Detwiler: That's on the slaughter. But on the clinical cases, aren't
they still asking for the brain? But even on the slaughter, they're looking
only at the brainstem. We may be missing certain things if we confine
ourselves to one area.


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Dr. Detwiler: It seems a good idea, but I'm not aware of it.
Another important thing to get across to the public is that the negatives
do not guarantee absence of infectivity. The animal could be early in the
disease and the incubation period. Even sample collection is so important.
If you're not collecting the right area of the brain in sheep, or if
collecting lymphoreticular tissue, and you don't get a good biopsy, you
could miss the area with the PRP in it and come up with a negative test.
There's a new, unusual form of Scrapie that's been detected in Norway. We
have to be careful that we don't get so set in the way we do things that we
forget to look for different emerging variations of disease. We've gotten
away from collecting the whole brain in our systems. We're using the brain
stem and we're looking in only one area. In Norway, they were doing a
project and looking at cases of Scrapie, and they found this where they did
not find lesions or PRP in the area of the obex. They found it in the
cerebellum and the cerebrum. It's a good lesson for us. Ames had to go
back and change the procedure for looking at Scrapie samples. In the USDA,
we had routinely looked at all the sections of the brain, and then we got
away from it. They've recently gone back.

Dr. Keller: Tissues are routinely tested, based on which tissue provides an
'official' test result as recognized by APHIS
.

Dr. Detwiler: That's on the slaughter. But on the clinical cases, aren't
they still asking for the brain? But even on the slaughter, they're looking
only at the brainstem. We may be missing certain things if we confine
ourselves to one area.


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FULL TEXT;


Completely Edited Version
PRION ROUNDTABLE


Accomplished this day, Wednesday, December 11, 2003, Denver, Colorado (NO URL)



NOT to forget the 'FONG SYNDROME'.



"The veterinarian treated the sample with a preservative which readies it for testing using the immunohistochemistry test, an internationally recognized confirmatory test for BSE.

"Neither the rapid screening test nor the Western blot confirmatory test can be conducted on a sample that has been preserved. Our laboratory ran the IHC test on the sample and received non-definitive results that suggest the need for further testing.

"As we have previously experienced, it is possible for an IHC test to yield differing results, depending on the slice of tissue that is tested. Therefore scientists at our laboratory and at Weybridge will run the IHC test on additional slices of tissue from this animal to determine whether or not it was infected with BSE.



http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdahome?contentidonly=true&contentid=2005/07/0280.xml



> We had 1 case from a cow born years before the ban. We're not in the

> same boat.



NOW that's debatable to say the least.
FIRST of all, we have ample evidence of a TSE in USA in the 80s as well ;



To be published in the Proceedings of the
Fourth International Scientific Congress in
Fur Animal Production. Toronto, Canada,
August 21-28, 1988

Evidence That Transmissible Mink Encephalopathy
Results from Feeding Infected Cattle

R.F. Marsh* and G.R. Hartsough

•Department of Veterinary Science, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison,
Wisconsin 53706; and ^Emba/Creat Lakes Ranch Service, Thiensville, Wisconsin 53092

ABSTRACT
Epidemiologic investigation of a new incidence of
transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME) in Stetsonville, Wisconsin
suggests that the disease may have resulted from feeding infected
cattle to mink. This observation is supported by the transmission of
a TME-like disease to experimentally inoculated cattle, and by the
recent report of a new bovine spongiform encephalopathy in
England.

INTRODUCTION

Transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME) was first reported in 1965 by Hartsough
and Burger who demonstrated that the disease was transmissible with a long incubation
period, and that affected mink had a spongiform encephalopathy similar to that found in
scrapie-affecied sheep (Hartsough and Burger, 1965; Burger and Hartsough, 1965).
Because of the similarity between TME and scrapie, and the subsequent finding that the
two transmissible agents were indistinguishable (Marsh and Hanson, 1969), it was
concluded that TME most likely resulted from feeding mink scrapie-infecied sheep.
The experimental transmission of sheep scrapie to mink (Hanson et al., 1971)
confirmed the close association of TME and scrapie, but at the same time provided
evidence that they may be different. Epidemiologic studies on previous incidences of
TME indicated that the incubation periods in field cases were between six months and
one year in length (Harxsough and Burger, 1965). Experimentally, scrapie could not be
transmitted to mink in less than one year.
To investigate the possibility that TME may be caused by a (particular strain of
scrapie which might be highly pathogenic for mink, 21 different strains of the scrapie
agent, including their sheep or goat sources, were inoculated into a total of 61 mink.
Only one mink developed a progressive neurologic disease after an incubation period of
22 mon..s (Marsh and Hanson, 1979). These results indicated that TME was either caused
by a strain of sheep scrapie not yet tested, or was due to exposure to a scrapie-like agent
from an unidentified source.

OBSERVATIONS AND RESULTS

A New Incidence of TME. In April of 1985, a mink rancher in Stetsonville, Wisconsin
reported that many of his mink were "acting funny", and some had died. At this time, we
visited the farm and found that approximately 10% of all adult mink were showing
typical signs of TME: insidious onset characterized by subtle behavioral changes, loss of
normal habits of cleanliness, deposition of droppings throughout the pen rather than in a
single area, hyperexcitability, difficulty in chewing and swallowing, and tails arched over
their _backs like squirrels. These signs were followed by progressive deterioration of
neurologic function beginning with locomoior incoordination, long periods of somnolence
in which the affected mink would stand motionless with its head in the corner of the
cage, complete debilitation, and death. Over the next 8-10 weeks, approximately 40% of
all the adult mink on the farm died from TME.
Since previous incidences of TME were associated with common or shared feeding
practices, we obtained a careful history of feed ingredients used over the past 12-18
months. The rancher was a "dead stock" feeder using mostly (>95%) downer or dead dairy
cattle and a few horses. Sheep had never been fed.

Experimental Transmission. The clinical diagnosis of TME was confirmed by
histopaihologic examination and by experimental transmission to mink after incubation
periods of four months. To investigate the possible involvement of cattle in this disease
cycle, two six-week old castrated Holstein bull calves were inoculated intracerebrally
with a brain suspension from affected mink. Each developed a fatal spongiform
encephalopathy after incubation periods of 18 and 19 months.

DISCUSSION
These findings suggest that TME may result from feeding mink infected cattle and
we have alerted bovine practitioners that there may exist an as yet unrecognized
scrapie-like disease of cattle in the United States (Marsh and Hartsough, 1986). A new
bovine spongiform encephalopathy has recently been reported in England (Wells et al.,
1987), and investigators are presently studying its transmissibility and possible
relationship to scrapie. Because this new bovine disease in England is characterized by
behavioral changes, hyperexcitability, and agressiveness, it is very likely it would be
confused with rabies in the United Stales and not be diagnosed. Presently, brains from
cattle in the United States which are suspected of rabies infection are only tested with
anti-rabies virus antibody and are not examined histopathologically for lesions of
spongiform encephalopathy.
We are presently pursuing additional studies to further examine the possible
involvement of cattle in the epidemiology of TME. One of these is the backpassage of
our experimental bovine encephalopathy to mink. Because (here are as yet no agent-
specific proteins or nucleic acids identified for these transmissible neuropathogens, one
means of distinguishing them is by animal passage and selection of the biotype which
grows best in a particular host. This procedure has been used to separate hamster-
adapted and mink-udapted TME agents (Marsh and Hanson, 1979). The intracerebral
backpassage of the experimental bovine agent resulted in incubations of only four months
indicating no de-adaptation of the Stetsonville agent for mink after bovine passage.
Mink fed infected bovine brain remain normal after six months. It will be essential to
demonstrate oral transmission fiom bovine to mink it this proposed epidemiologic
association is to be confirmed.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
These studies were supported by the College of Agricultural and Life Sciences,
University of Wisconsin-Madison and by a grant (85-CRCR-1-1812) from the United
States Department of Agriculture. The authors also wish to acknowledge the help and
encouragement of Robert Hanson who died during the course of these investigations.

REFERENCES
Burger, D. and Hartsough, G.R. 1965. Encephalopathy of mink. II. Experimental and
natural transmission. J. Infec. Dis. 115:393-399.
Hanson, R.P., Eckroade, R.3., Marsh, R.F., ZuRhein, C.M., Kanitz, C.L. and Gustatson,
D.P. 1971. Susceptibility of mink to sheep scrapie. Science 172:859-861.
Hansough, G.R. and Burger, D. 1965. Encephalopathy of mink. I. Epizoociologic and
clinical observations. 3. Infec. Dis. 115:387-392.
Marsh, R.F. and Hanson, R.P. 1969. Physical and chemical properties of the
transmissible mink encephalopathy agent. 3. ViroL 3:176-180.
Marsh, R.F. and Hanson, R.P. 1979. On the origin of transmissible mink
encephalopathy. In Hadlow, W.J. and Prusiner, S.P. (eds.) Slow transmissible
diseases of the nervous system. Vol. 1, Academic Press, New York, pp 451-460.
Marsh, R.F. and Hartsough, G.R. 1986. Is there a scrapie-like disease in cattle?
Proceedings of the Seventh Annual Western Conference for Food Animal Veterinary
Medicine. University of Arizona, pp 20.
Wells, G.A.H., Scott, A.C., Johnson, C.T., Cunning, R.F., Hancock, R.D., Jeffrey, M.,
Dawson, M. and Bradley, R. 1987. A novel progressive spongiform encephalopathy
in cattle. Vet. Rec. 121:419-420.

MARSH

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m09/tab05.pdf



UNFORTUNATELY, the USDA was just as willing to cover up any TSE in USA cattle long ago;



Gerald Wells: Report of the Visit to USA, April-May 1989

snip...

The general opinion of those present was that BSE, as an
overt disease phenomenon, _could exist in the USA, but if it did,
it was very rare. The need for improved and specific surveillance
methods to detect it as recognised...

snip...

It is clear that USDA have little information and _no_ regulatory
responsibility for rendering plants in the US...

snip...

3. Prof. A. Robertson gave a brief account of BSE. The US approach
was to accord it a _very low profile indeed_. Dr. A Thiermann showed
the picture in the ''Independent'' with cattle being incinerated and thought
this was a fanatical incident to be _avoided_ in the US _at all costs_...

snip...

http://www.bseinquiry.gov.uk/files/mb/m11b/tab01.pdf



MOOVING right along, we have other very very suspect cases.
not to forget the THE TEXAS MAD COW that got away ;


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement
May 4, 2004
Media Inquiries: 301-827-6242
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA



Statement on Texas Cow With Central Nervous System Symptoms
On Friday, April 30 th , the Food and Drug Administration learned that a cow with central nervous system symptoms had been killed and shipped to a processor for rendering into animal protein for use in animal feed.

FDA, which is responsible for the safety of animal feed, immediately began an investigation. On Friday and throughout the weekend, FDA investigators inspected the slaughterhouse, the rendering facility, the farm where the animal came from, and the processor that initially received the cow from the slaughterhouse.

FDA's investigation showed that the animal in question had already been rendered into "meat and bone meal" (a type of protein animal feed). Over the weekend FDA was able to track down all the implicated material. That material is being held by the firm, which is cooperating fully with FDA.

Cattle with central nervous system symptoms are of particular interest because cattle with bovine spongiform encephalopathy or BSE, also known as "mad cow disease," can exhibit such symptoms. In this case, there is no way now to test for BSE. But even if the cow had BSE, FDA's animal feed rule would prohibit the feeding of its rendered protein to other ruminant animals (e.g., cows, goats, sheep, bison).

FDA is sending a letter to the firm summarizing its findings and informing the firm that FDA will not object to use of this material in swine feed only. If it is not used in swine feed, this material will be destroyed. Pigs have been shown not to be susceptible to BSE. If the firm agrees to use the material for swine feed only, FDA will track the material all the way through the supply chain from the processor to the farm to ensure that the feed is properly monitored and used only as feed for pigs.

To protect the U.S. against BSE, FDA works to keep certain mammalian protein out of animal feed for cattle and other ruminant animals. FDA established its animal feed rule in 1997 after the BSE epidemic in the U.K. showed that the disease spreads by feeding infected ruminant protein to cattle.

Under the current regulation, the material from this Texas cow is not allowed in feed for cattle or other ruminant animals. FDA's action specifying that the material go only into swine feed means also that it will not be fed to poultry.

FDA is committed to protecting the U.S. from BSE and collaborates closely with the U.S. Department of Agriculture on all BSE issues. The animal feed rule provides crucial protection against the spread of BSE, but it is only one of several such firewalls. FDA will soon be improving the animal feed rule, to make this strong system even stronger.

####





http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/news/2004/NEW01061.html



AND we know what the FDA says about feeding TSE ruminant protein to cattle;



FDA ANNOUNCES TEST RESULTS FROM TEXAS FEED LOT


Today the Food and Drug Administration announced the results of tests taken on feed used at a Texas feedlot that was suspected of containing meat and bone meal from other domestic cattle -- a violation of FDA's 1997 prohibition on using ruminant material in feed for other ruminants. Results indicate that a very low level of prohibited material was found in the feed fed to cattle.

FDA has determined that each animal could have consumed, at most and in total, five-and-one-half grams - approximately a quarter ounce -- of prohibited material. These animals weigh approximately 600 pounds.

It is important to note that the prohibited material was domestic in origin (therefore not likely to contain infected material because there is no evidence of BSE in U.S. cattle), fed at a very low level, and fed only once. The potential risk of BSE to such cattle is therefore exceedingly low, even if the feed were contaminated.

According to Dr. Bernard Schwetz, FDA's Acting Principal Deputy Commissioner, "The challenge to regulators and industry is to keep this disease out of the United States. One important defense is to prohibit the use of any ruminant animal materials in feed for other ruminant animals. Combined with other steps, like U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) ban on the importation of live ruminant animals from affected countries, these steps represent a series of protections, to keep American cattle free of BSE."

Despite this negligible risk, Purina Mills, Inc., is nonetheless announcing that it is voluntarily purchasing all 1,222 of the animals held in Texas and mistakenly fed the animal feed containing the prohibited material. Therefore, meat from those animals will not enter the human food supply. FDA believes any cattle that did not consume feed containing the prohibited material are unaffected by this incident, and should be handled in the beef supply clearance process as usual.

FDA believes that Purina Mills has behaved responsibly by first reporting the human error that resulted in the misformulation of the animal feed supplement and then by working closely with State and Federal authorities.

This episode indicates that the multi-layered safeguard system put into place is essential for protecting the food supply and that continued vigilance needs to be taken, by all concerned, to ensure these rules are followed routinely.

FDA will continue working with USDA as well as State and local officials to ensure that companies and individuals comply with all laws and regulations designed to protect the U.S. food supply.



http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2001/NEW00752.html



ACTUALLY, THE USA and Canada are in the same mad cow BSE/TSE boat.


Working Group Report on

the Assessment of the Geographical BSE-Risk (GBR) of

CANADA

2004



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- 2 -

2. EXTERNAL CHALLENGES

2.1 Import of cattle from BSE-Risk2 countries

An overview of the data on live cattle imports is presented in table 1 and is based on

data as provided in the country dossier (CD) and corresponding data on relevant exports

as available from BSE risk countries that exported to Canada. Only data from risk

periods are indicated, i.e. those periods when exports from a BSE risk country already

represented an external challenge, according to the SSC opinion on the GBR (SSC July

2000 and updated January 2002).

• According to the CD, 231 cattle were imported from UK during the years 1980 to

1990 and no cattle imports from UK were recorded after 1990.

• According to Eurostat, altogether 198 cattle have been imported from the UK during

the years 1980 to 1990, Additionally 500 were recorded in 1993; this import is

1 For the purpose of the GBR assessment the abbreviation "MBM" refers to rendering products, in particular

the commodities Meat and Bone Meal as such; Meat Meal; Bone Meal; and Greaves. With regard to imports

it refers to the customs code 230110 "flours, meals and pellets, made from meat or offal, not fit for human

2 BSE-Risk countries are all countries already assessed as GBR III or IV or with at least one confirmed

Annex to the EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 2, 1-14 on the Assessment of the

Geographical BSE Risk of Canada

- 3 -

mentioned in Eurostat and the updated UK export statistic as male calves, but not

mentioned in the original UK export statistics. According to the CD, detailed

investigations were carried out and it is very unlikely that the 500 calves have been

imported. Therefore, they were not taken into account.

• According to the CD, in 1990 all cattle imported from UK and Ireland since 1982

were placed in a monitoring program.

• Following the occurrence of the BSE index case in 1993 (imported from UK in 1987

at the age of 6 months), an attempt was made to trace all other cattle imported from

UK between 1982 and 1990.

• Of the 231 cattle imported from the UK between 1980 and 1990, 108 animals had

been slaughtered and 9 had died. From the remaining, 37 were exported, 76 were

sent to incineration and one was buried; these were not entering the rendering system

and therefore not taken into account.

• According to the CD, 16 cattle were imported from Ireland (according to Eurostat

20), of which 9 were slaughtered, 3 died. The remaining 4 were incinerated and did

therefore not enter the rendering system. According to the CD, the 6 animals which

were imported in 1990 according to Eurostat, were never imported.

• Moreover 22 cattle have been imported from Japan (through USA), of which 4 were

exported (excluded from the table) and 14 were destroyed and therefore not entering

the rendering system, 4 were slaughtered.

• Of 28 imported bovines from Denmark, 1 was destroyed and 1 was exported. Of the

19 buffalos imported in 2000, 1 was incinerated and the others were ordered to be

destroyed.

• Additionally in total 264 cattle according to the CD (276 according to other sources)

were imported from Austria, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, The Netherlands and

Switzerland.

• The numbers imported according to the CD and Eurostat are very similar. Some

discrepancies in the year of import can be explained by an extended quarantine;

therefore it is likely that imports according to Eurostat in 1980 and imports

according to the CD in 1981 are referring to the same animals.

• Additionally, between 16.000 and 340.000 bovines have annually been imported

from US, almost all are steers and heifers. In total, between 1981 and 2003,

according to the CD more than 2.3 million, according to other sources 1.5 million

cattle have been imported.

• According to the CD, feeder/slaughter cattle represent typically more than 90% of

the imported cattle from the USA; therefore, only 10% of the imported cattle have

been taken into account.



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Annex to the EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 2, 1-15 on the Assessment of the

Geographical BSE Risk of Canada

2.2 Import of MBM or MBM-containing feedstuffs from BSE-Risk

countries

An overview of the data on MBM imports is presented in table 2 and is based on data

provided in the country dossier (CD) and corresponding data on relevant exports as

available from BSE risk countries that exported to Canada. Only data from risk periods

are indicated, i.e. those periods when exports from a BSE risk country already

represented an external challenge, according to the SSC opinion on the GBR (SSC, July

2000 and updated January 2002).

According to the CD, no imports of MBM took place from UK since 1978 (initially

because of FMD regulations).

• According to Eurostat data, Canada imported 149 tons MBM from the UK in the

period of 1993 to 2001. According to up-dated MBM statistics from UK (August

2001) no mammalian MBM was exported to Canada from 1993 – 1996. As it was

illegal to export mammalian meat meal, bone meal and MBM from UK since

27/03/1996, exports indicated after that date should only have included nonmammalian

MBM. Therefore, these imports were not taken into account.

• According to the CD, imports of MBM have taken place from Denmark, Germany,

France, Japan and US.

• According to Eurostat Canada imported MBM from Denmark, Belgium, France and

Ireland.

• According to the CD further investigations concluded that all imported MBM from

Denmark consisted of pork and poultry origin and was directly imported for

aquaculture, the imported MBM from France was feather meal, the imported MBM

from Germany was poultry meal for aquaculture and the imported MBM from

Belgium was haemoglobin; therefore these imports were not taken into account.

• The main imports of MBM were of US origin, according to the CD around 250.000

tons, according to other sources around 310.000 tons between 1988 and 2003.



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2.3 Overall assessment of the external challenge

The level of the external challenge that has to be met by the BSE/cattle system is

estimated according to the guidance given by the SSC in its final opinion on the GBR of

July 2000 (as updated in January 2002).

Live cattle imports:

In total the country imported according to the CD more than 2.3 million, according to

other data 1.5 million live cattle from BSE risk countries, of which 231 (CD)

respectively 698 (other sources) came from the UK. The numbers shown in table 1 are

the raw import figures and are not reflecting the adjusted imports for the assessment of

the external challenge. Broken down to 5 year periods the resulting external challenge is

as given in table 3. This assessment takes into account the different aspects discussed

above that allow to assume that certain imported cattle did not enter the domestic

BSE/cattle system, i.e. were not rendered into feed. In the case of Canada, the 500 cattle

imported from UK according to Eurostat were not taken into account and it is assumed

that all incinerated, buried, exported animals and the animals still alive did not enter the

rendering system and were therefore excluded from the external challenge.

MBM imports:

In total the country imported according to the CD around 300.000 tons, according to

other sources nearly 360.000 tons of MBM from BSE risk countries, of which 149 tons

came from the UK. The majority consisted of MBM imported from the US. The

numbers shown in table 2 are the raw import figures and are not reflecting the adjusted

imports for the assessment of the external challenge. Broken down to 5 year periods the

resulting external challenge is as given in table 3. This assessment takes into account

the different aspects discussed above that allow to assume that certain imported MBM

did not enter the domestic BSE/cattle system or did not represent an external challenge

for other reasons. As it was illegal to export mammalian meat meal, bone meal and

MBM from UK since 27/03/1996, exports indicated after that date should only have

included non-mammalian MBM. In the case of Canada all imported MBM from UK,

Germany, Belgium, Denmark and France was not taken into account.



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3. STABILITY

3.1 Overall appreciation of the ability to avoid recycling of BSE

infectivity, should it enter processing

Feeding

The annual Canadian production of MBM is approximately 575,000 tons of which

approx. 40,000 tons are exported each year, mainly to USA.

Use of MBM in cattle feed

• Before the feed ban, dairy cattle received supplementary feed containing MBM

during their productive life (maximum 200-400 g MBM per day). Beef cattle in the

western part of the country do not usually receive complementary feed. Beef cattle

in the eastern part receive normally no supplement protein but the calves could have

access to creep feeds containing MBM, after weaning the ratios may have contained

supplemental protein containing MBM (100-400 g per day).

• According to the CD, MBM is mainly fed to pigs and poultry and included in pet

food.

• According to the CD, only a proportion of dairy cattle may have received MBM.

Feed bans

• Before 1997, there was no legal restriction to include MBM into cattle feed.

• An MBM-ban was introduced in August 1997; it is forbidden since to feed

mammalian MBM to ruminants except if of pure porcine, equine and non

mammalian origin, i.e. in practice a ruminant-to-ruminant ban (RMBM-ban).

Annex to the EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 2, 1-15 on the Assessment of the

Geographical BSE Risk of Canada

- 9 -

Potential for cross-contamination and measures taken against

• Cross-contamination in the about 600 feed mills is assumed to be possible as long as

cattle and pig feed is produced in the same production lines, and premises.

• Cross-contamination during transport is possible, particularly if the same trucks are

used for transporting ruminant MBM (RMBM) and non-ruminant MBM (porcine or

poultry MBM which still might be included into cattle feed) or for transporting

pig/poultry feed and cattle feed.

• On-farm cross-contamination is regarded to be possible.

• Cross-contamination of cattle feed with RMBM can not be excluded. Hence, as

reasonable worst case scenario, it has to be assumed that cattle, in particular dairy

cattle, can still be exposed to RMBM and hence to BSE-infectivity, should it enter

the feed chain.

Control of Feed bans and cross-contamination

• With the introduction of the RMBM ban (1997) the feed mills (approximately 600)

were checked for compliance with the ban, including good manufacturing practices

(GMP) and record keeping, i.e. the separation in production of MBM containing

ruminant material (RMBM) from non-ruminant MBM.

• The feed mills had previously – since 1983 – been regularly checked in relation to

production of medicated feed.

• No examinations are performed to assess cross-contamination with RMBM of the

protein (e.g. non ruminant MBM) that enters cattle feed. Differentiation would

anyway be difficult.

Rendering

Raw material used for rendering

• Ruminant material is rendered together with material from other species, but

according to the CD only in the production of MBM prohibited for use in ruminant

feeds.

• Slaughter by-products, including specified risk material (SRM) and fallen stock are

rendered.

• The country expert estimated that 20% of the rendering plants, processing 20% of

the total amount of raw material, are connected to slaughterhouses. Their raw

material is more than 98 % animal waste from these slaughterhouses while less than

2 % is fallen stock. No estimation was given for the remaining 80% of the rendering

capacity.

• There are 32 rendering plants of which 3 are processing blood exclusively.

Rendering processes

• The rendering systems (parameters) were specified for 6 plants producing mixed

MBM, none of these fulfilled the 133/20/3 standard. Of these, 5 have dedicated

facilities to produce products for use in ruminant feed and products not permitted for

use in ruminant feed.

• The remaining plants process porcine or poultry material exclusively.

SRM and fallen stock

• There is an SRM ban for human food in place since 2003.

Annex to the EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 2, 1-15 on the Assessment of the

Geographical BSE Risk of Canada

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• However, SRM are rendered together with other slaughter waste and fallen stock.

However, according to the CD, MBM with SRM is not permitted to be fed to

ruminants.

Conclusion on the ability to avoid recycling

• Between 1980 and 1997 the Canadian system would not have been able to avoid

recycling of the BSE-agent to any measurable extent. If the BSE-agent was

introduced into the feed chain, it could have reached cattle.

• Since 1997 this ability gradually improved with the introduction of the ruminant

MBM ban and its implementation.

• Since cross-contamination cannot be excluded, and as SRM is still rendered by

processes unable to significantly reduce BSE-infectivity, the system is still unable to

avoid recycling of BSE-infectivity already present in the system or incoming.

3.2 Overall appreciation of the ability to identify BSE-cases and to

eliminate animals at risk of being infected before they are processed

Cattle population structure

• Cattle population: 12.15 Million in 1988 increasing to 14.6 Million in 2001;

• Of the total cattle population, 2.2 million are dairy cattle and 12.4 million are beef.

• The cattle population above 24 months of age: approx. 6.0 Million.

• Of the approximately 2.2 Million dairy cattle 2 Million are located in the two eastern

provinces Ontario and Quebec.

• Mixed farming (cattle and mono-gastric species) is usually not practiced; the

country expert estimated the proportion of mixed farming to be less than 1%.

• Individual regions traditionally have ID systems under provincial authorities. Brand

inspectors are present when cattle are assembled. It is estimated by the Canadians

that the level of a national, uniform ID for cattle is less than 10%; most of those

individual pedigree animals. Mandatory ID for the milk-fed veal sector was

implemented in Quebec in 1996, but does not contain information on the herd of

origin. An agreement of the relevant industries to develop a national cattle ID and

trace back strategy was reached on 1 May 1998 (starting in 2001).Since 2002, a

national identification program is existing. Al cattle leaving any farm premises must

be uniquely identified by ear tag.

BSE surveillance

• BSE was made notifiable in 1990.

• Every cow over one year of age exhibiting central nervous system signs suggestive

of BSE submitted to a laboratory or presented at an abattoir is subjected to a BSE

laboratory diagnostic test (histology and over the past years also PrPSc-based

laboratory tests).

• In addition, cattle submitted for rabies examination and found rabies negative are

examined for BSE. Samples are prepared immediately upon arrival to the federal

laboratory responsible for the rabies diagnostic for possible later BSE examination,

i.e. formalin fixation.

• Since the 1940's, a rabies control program has been in place, where farmers,

veterinarians and the general public are well educated about this neurological

Annex to the EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 2, 1-15 on the Assessment of the

Geographical BSE Risk of Canada

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disease. In 1990, when BSE was made notifiable, this awareness was extended to

suspicions of BSE.

• Since 1993 the number of brains examined per year did exceed the number

recommended by OIE (300 - 336 for countries with a cattle population over 24

months of age of 5.0 to 7.0 Million) in all years, except in 1995 (table 4).

year 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003

samples 225 645 426 269 454 759 940 895 1´020 1´581 3´377 3´361

Table 4: Number of bovine brains annually examined for CNS diseases, including BSE.

• According to the CD approx. 98% of the examined cattle were older than 24 months

and approx. 90% exhibited neurological symptoms. Although the identification

system of Canada does not document the birth date or age of the animals, according

to the CD, examination of the dentition is used to ascertain the maturity of the

animals.

• The list of neurological differential diagnoses for the 754 brains examined in 1997

included encephalitis (70 cases), encephalomalacia (19), hemophilus (7),

hemorrhage (2), listeriosis (38), meningoencephalitis (36), rabies (22), tumors (2),

other conditions (135) and no significant findings (423).

• Compensation is paid for suspect BSE cases as well as for animals ordered to be

destroyed (90-95% of market value with a maximum of 2,500 Can$ per cow).

• Diagnostic criteria developed in the United Kingdom are followed at ADRI,

Nepean. According to the very detailed protocol for the collection, fixation and

submission of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) specimens at abattoirs

under inspection by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, the specimen shall be

shipped to National Center for Foreign Animal Disease, Winnipeg, Manitoba.

• In 2003, around 3000 animals from risk populations have been tested.

• According to the CD, it is aimed to test a minimum of 8000 risk animals (animals

with clinical signs consistent with BSE, downer cows, animals died on farm animals

diseased or euthanized because of serious illness) in 2004 and then continue to

progressively increase the level of testing to 30,000.

• In May 2003, Canada reported its first case of domestic BSE. A second case was

detected in the US on 23 December 2003 and traced back to Canadian origin. Both

were born before the feed ban and originated from Western Canada.

3.3 Overall assessment of the stability

For the overall assessment of the stability, the impact of the three main stability factors

(i.e. feeding, rendering and SRM-removal) and of the additional stability factor,

surveillance, has to be estimated. Again, the guidance provided by the SSC in its

opinion on the GBR of July 2000 (as updated January 2002) is applied.

Feeding

Until 1997, it was legally possible to feed ruminant MBM to cattle and a certain fraction of

cattle feed (for calves and dairy cattle) is assumed to have contained MBM. Therefore

feeding was "Not OK". In August 1997 a ruminant MBM ban was introduced but feeding

of non-ruminant MBM to cattle remained legal as well as feeding of ruminant MBM to

non-ruminant animals. This makes control of the feed ban very difficult because laboratory

differentiation between ruminant and non ruminant MBM is difficult if not impossible.

Annex to the EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 2, 1-15 on the Assessment of the

Geographical BSE Risk of Canada

Due to the highly specialised production system in Canada, various mammalian MBM

streams can be separated. Such a feed ban would therefore be assessed as "reasonably

OK", for all regions where this highly specialised system exists. However, several areas

in Canada do have mixed farming and mixed feed mills, and in such regions, an RMBM

ban would not suffice. Additionally, official controls for cattle feeds to control for the

compliance with the ban were not started until the end of 2003. Thus, for the whole

country, the assessment of the feeding after 1997 remains "Not OK".

Rendering

The rendering industry is operating with processes that are not known to reduce infectivity.

It is therefore concluded that the rendering was and is "Not OK".

SRM-removal

SRM and fallen stock were and are rendered for feed. Therefore SRM-removal is assessed

as "Not OK"



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4.2 Risk that BSE infectivity entered processing

A certain risk that BSE-infected cattle entered processing in Canada, and were at least

partly rendered for feed, occurred in the early 1990s when cattle imported from UK in

the mid 80s could have been slaughtered. This risk continued to exist, and grew

significantly in the mid 90's when domestic cattle, infected by imported MBM, reached

processing. Given the low stability of the system, the risk increased over the years with

continued imports of cattle and MBM from BSE risk countries.

4.3 Risk that BSE infectivity was recycled and propagated

A risk that BSE-infectivity was recycled and propagated exists since a processing risk

first appeared; i.e. in the early 90s. Until today this risk persists and increases fast

because of the extremely unstable BSE/cattle system in Canada.

5. CONCLUSION ON THE GEOGRAPHICAL BSE-RISK

5.1 The current GBR as function of the past stability and challenge

The current geographical BSE-risk (GBR) level is III, i.e. it is confirmed at a lower level

that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent.

This assessment deviates from the previous assessment (SSC opinion, 2000) because at

that time several exporting countries were not considered a potential risk.

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EFSA Scientific Report on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE-Risk (GBR) of the United States of America (USA)
Publication date: 20 August 2004
Adopted July 2004 (Question N° EFSA-Q-2003-083)

Report

Summary
Summary of the Scientific Report

The European Food Safety Authority and its Scientific Expert Working Group on the Assessment of the Geographical Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) Risk (GBR) were asked by the European Commission (EC) to provide an up-to-date scientific report on the GBR in the United States of America, i.e. the likelihood of the presence of one or more cattle being infected with BSE, pre-clinically as well as clinically, in USA. This scientific report addresses the GBR of USA as assessed in 2004 based on data covering the period 1980-2003.

The BSE agent was probably imported into USA and could have reached domestic cattle in the middle of the eighties. These cattle imported in the mid eighties could have been rendered in the late eighties and therefore led to an internal challenge in the early nineties. It is possible that imported meat and bone meal (MBM) into the USA reached domestic cattle and leads to an internal challenge in the early nineties.

A processing risk developed in the late 80s/early 90s when cattle imports from BSE risk countries were slaughtered or died and were processed (partly) into feed, together with some imports of MBM. This risk continued to exist, and grew significantly in the mid 90's when domestic cattle, infected by imported MBM, reached processing. Given the low stability of the system, the risk increased over the years with continued imports of cattle and MBM from BSE risk countries.

EFSA concludes that the current GBR level of USA is III, i.e. it is likely but not confirmed that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent. As long as there are no significant changes in rendering or feeding, the stability remains extremely/very unstable. Thus, the probability of cattle to be (pre-clinically or clinically) infected with the BSE-agent persistently increases.


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SUMMARY

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Scientific Report of the European Food Safety Authority
on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE-Risk (GBR) of
United States of America (USA)
Question N° EFSA-Q-2003-083
Adopted July 2004
Summary of scientific report
The European Food Safety Authority and its Scientific Expert Working Group on the
Assessment of the Geographical Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) Risk (GBR)
were asked by the European Commission (EC) to provide an up-to-date scientific report on
the GBR in the United States of America, i.e. the likelihood of the presence of one or more
cattle being infected with BSE, pre-clinically as well as clinically, in USA. This scientific
report addresses the GBR of USA as assessed in 2004 based on data covering the period
1980-2003.
The BSE agent was probably imported into USA and could have reached domestic cattle in
the middle of the eighties. These cattle imported in the mid eighties could have been rendered
in the late eighties and therefore led to an internal challenge in the early nineties. It is possible
that imported meat and bone meal (MBM) into the USA reached domestic cattle and leads to
an internal challenge in the early nineties.
A processing risk developed in the late 80s/early 90s when cattle imports from BSE risk
countries were slaughtered or died and were processed (partly) into feed, together with some
imports of MBM. This risk continued to exist, and grew significantly in the mid 90's when
domestic cattle, infected by imported MBM, reached processing. Given the low stability of
the system, the risk increased over the years with continued imports of cattle and MBM from
BSE risk countries.
EFSA concludes that the current GBR level of USA is III, i.e. it is likely but not confirmed
that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent. As long as
there are no significant changes in rendering or feeding, the stability remains extremely/very
unstable. Thus, the probability of cattle to be (pre-clinically or clinically) infected with the
BSE-agent persistently increases.
Key words: BSE, geographical risk assessment, GBR, USA, third countries

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REPORT (6 PAGES)

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EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 3, 1-6 on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE Risk of
Conclusions
The European Food Safety Authority concludes:
1. The BSE agent was probably imported into USA and could have reached domestic
cattle in the middle of the eighties. This cattle imported in the mid eighties could have
been rendered in the late eighties and therefore led to an internal challenge in the early
nineties. It is possible that meat and bone meal (MBM) imported into the USA
reached domestic cattle and lead to an internal challenge in the early nineties.
2. A processing risk developed in the late 80s/early 90s when cattle imports from BSE
risk countries were slaughtered or died and were processed (partly) into feed, together
with some imports of MBM. This risk continued to exist, and grew significantly in the
mid 90's when domestic cattle, infected by imported MBM, reached processing.
Given the low stability of the system, the risk increased over the years with continued
imports of cattle and MBM from BSE risk countries.
3. The current geographical BSE risk (GBR) level is III, i.e. it is likely but not confirmed
that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent.
4. This assessment deviates from the previous assessment (SSC opinion, 2000) because
at that time several exporting countries were not considered a potential risk.
5. It is also worth noting that the current GBR conclusions are not dependent on the large
exchange of imports between USA and Canada. External challenge due to exports to
the USA from European countries varied from moderate to high. These challenges
indicate that it was likely that BSE infectivity was introduced into the North American
continent.
6. EFSA and its Scientific Expert Working group on GBR are concerned that the
available information was not confirmed by inspection missions as performed by the
Food and Veterinary office (FVO – DG SANCO) in Member States and other third
countries. They recommend including, as far as feasible, BSE-related aspects in
future inspection missions.
Expected development of the GBR
As long as there are no significant changes in rendering or feeding, the stability remains
extremely/very unstable. Thus, the probability of cattle to be (pre-clinically or clinically)
infected with the BSE-agent persistently increases.
A table summarising the reasons for the current assessment is given in the table below

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EFSA Scientific Report on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE-Risk (GBR) of Mexico
Last updated: 08 September 2004
Adopted July 2004 (Question N° EFSA-Q-2003-083)

Report

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Conclusions
The European Food Safety Authority concludes:
1. The BSE agent was probably imported into Mexico and could have reached domestic
cattle. These cattle imported could have been rendered and therefore led to an internal
EFSA Scientific Report (2004) 4, 1-6 on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE Risk of
challenge in the mid to late 1990's. It is possible that imported MBM into Mexico
reached domestic cattle and leads to an internal challenge around 1993.
2. It is likely that BSE infectivity entered processing at the time of imported 'at - risk'
MBM (1993) and at the time of slaughter of imported live 'at - risk' cattle (mid to late
1990s). The high level of external challenge is maintained throughout the reference
period, and the system has not been made stable. Thus it is likely that BSE infectivity
was recycled and propagated from approximately 1993. The risk has since grown
consistently due to a maintained internal and external challenge and lack of a stable
system.
3. The current geographical BSE risk (GBR) level is III, i.e. it is likely but not confirmed
that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent.
4. EFSA and its Scientific Expert Working group on GBR are concerned that the
available information was not confirmed by inspection missions as performed by the
Food and Veterinary office (FVO – DG SANCO) in Member States and other third
countries. They recommend including, as far as feasible, BSE-related aspects in
future inspection missions.

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Summary

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Scientific Report of the European Food Safety Authority
on the Assessment of the Geographical BSE-Risk (GBR) of
MEXICO
Question N° EFSA-Q-2003-083
Adopted July 2004
SUMMARY OF SCIENTIFIC REPORT
The European Food Safety Authority and its Scientific Expert Working Group on the
Assessment of the Geographical Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) Risk (GBR)
were asked by the European Commission (EC) to provide an up-to-date scientific report on
the GBR in Mexico, i.e. the likelihood of the presence of one or more cattle being infected
with BSE, pre-clinically as well as clinically, in Mexico. This scientific report addresses the
GBR of Mexico as assessed in 2004 based on data covering the period 1980-2003.
The BSE agent was probably imported into Mexico and could have reached domestic cattle.
These cattle imported could have been rendered and therefore led to an internal challenge in
the mid to late 1990s. It is possible that imported meat and bone meal (MBM) into Mexico
reached domestic cattle and leads to an internal challenge around 1993.
It is likely that BSE infectivity entered processing at the time of imported 'at - risk' MBM
(1993) and at the time of slaughter of imported live 'at - risk' cattle (mid to late 1990s). The
high level of external challenge is maintained throughout the reference period, and the system
has not been made stable. Thus it is likely that BSE infectivity was recycled and propagated
from approximately 1993. The risk has since grown consistently due to a maintained internal
and external challenge and lack of a stable system.
EFSA concludes that the current geographical BSE risk (GBR) level is III, i.e. it is likely
but not confirmed that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSEagent.
The GBR is likely to increase due to continued internal and external challenge, coupled
with a very unstable system.
Key words: BSE, geographical risk assessment, GBR, Mexico, third countries
Summary of Scientific Report
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Summary of the Scientific Report

The European Food Safety Authority and its Scientific Expert Working Group on the Assessment of the Geographical Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) Risk (GBR) were asked by the European Commission (EC) to provide an up-to-date scientific report on the GBR in Mexico, i.e. the likelihood of the presence of one or more cattle being infected with BSE, pre-clinically as well as clinically, in Mexico. This scientific report addresses the GBR of Mexico as assessed in 2004 based on data covering the period 1980-2003.

The BSE agent was probably imported into Mexico and could have reached domestic cattle. These cattle imported could have been rendered and therefore led to an internal challenge in the mid to late 1990s. It is possible that imported meat and bone meal (MBM) into Mexico reached domestic cattle and leads to an internal challenge around 1993.

It is likely that BSE infectivity entered processing at the time of imported 'at - risk' MBM (1993) and at the time of slaughter of imported live 'at - risk' cattle (mid to late 1990s). The high level of external challenge is maintained throughout the reference period, and the system has not been made stable. Thus it is likely that BSE infectivity was recycled and propagated from approximately 1993. The risk has since grown consistently due to a maintained internal and external challenge and lack of a stable system.

EFSA concludes that the current geographical BSE risk (GBR) level is III, i.e. it is likely but not confirmed that domestic cattle are (clinically or pre-clinically) infected with the BSE-agent. The GBR is likely to increase due to continued internal and external challenge, coupled with a very unstable system.

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ONE YEAR PREVIOUSLY ;


From: Terry S. Singeltary Sr. [[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected].; BSE-L
Subject: Docket No. 2003N-0312 Animal Feed Safety System [TSS SUBMISSION
TO DOCKET 2003N-0312]


Greetings FDA,


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PLUS, if the USA continues to flagrantly ignore the _documented_ science to date about the known TSEs in the USA (let alone the undocumented TSEs in cattle), it is my opinion, every other Country that is dealing with BSE/TSE should boycott the USA and demand that the SSC reclassify the USA BSE GBR II risk assessment to BSE/TSE GBR III 'IMMEDIATELY'. for the SSC to _flounder_ any longer on this issue, should also be regarded with great suspicion as well. NOT to leave out the OIE and it's terribly flawed system of disease surveillance. the OIE should make a move on CWD in the USA, and make a risk assessment on this as a threat to human health. the OIE should also change the mathematical formula for testing of disease. this (in my opinion and others) is terribly flawed as well. to think that a sample survey of 400 or so cattle in a population of 100 million, to think this will find anything, especially after seeing how many TSE tests it took Italy and other Countries to find 1 case of BSE (1 million rapid TSE test in less than 2 years, to find 102 BSE cases), should be proof enough to make drastic changes of this system. the OIE criteria for BSE Country classification and it's interpretation is very problematic. a text that is suppose to give guidelines, but is not understandable, cannot be considered satisfactory. the OIE told me 2 years ago that they were concerned with CWD, but said any changes might take years. well, two years have come and gone, and no change in relations with CWD as a human health risk. if we wait for politics and science to finally make this connection, we very well may die before any decisions
or changes are made. this is not acceptable. we must take the politics and the industry out of any final decisions of the Scientific community. this has been the problem from day one with this environmental man made death sentence. some of you may think i am exaggerating, but you only have to see it once, you only have to watch a loved one die from this one time, and you will never forget, OR forgive...yes, i am still very angry... but the transmission studies DO NOT lie, only the politicians and the industry do... and they are still lying to this day...TSS



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Terry S. Singeltary Sr. P.O. BOX 42 Bacliff, TEXAS USA 77518
 
It doesn't matter who brought on the suit or what the complaint was. When US citizens take the government to court for not doing their job and a court rules deference should be given, it's pretty scary. Where is the accountability to the people?
 
To tell you the truth, I hope it does go to trial. It will bring out a lot of what Flounder just posted. Maybe the truth about the way the US has dealt with BSE from day 1 should be made public?

But on the other hand, maybe all that will happen is that RCALF's agenda will be exposed. Either way, the members of RCALF will lose.

Consumer confidence in American beef and the safeguards, will suffer, or as a Politically motivated group that is willing to lie and tie up the courts, RCALF's less than stellar credibility will be buried.

Let the truth be told, let's have the hearing!
 
Murgen said:
Consumer confidence in American beef and the safeguards, will suffer

Better to suffer a little now, than have the whole industry collapse if USDA's economically driven science is wrong......

Either way Murgen- you better hope the right decision is made since Canada is tied to the US beef industries shirtails :wink: ........
 
Tommy said:
Oldtimer...Tam- It still leaves one question that you never answer--If Canada has this miraculous system, and everyone is following it, and Japan wants these ribs-------Why isn't Canada exporting directly to Japan today?

Japan will take Canadain beef when they open their market to USA beef and the USA exports Canadian and USA beef to them. It will be all sold as USA beef.
As I said before they will take our beef when they decide to take both the US and Canadian beef. But you may be right Tommy about Canadian beef being sold to them as US beef too, as we all know including Japan, that without imported beef the US doesn't have enough to supply their domestic need let alone an Export market. :roll:
 
Tam said:
Tommy said:
Oldtimer...Tam- It still leaves one question that you never answer--If Canada has this miraculous system, and everyone is following it, and Japan wants these ribs-------Why isn't Canada exporting directly to Japan today?

Japan will take Canadain beef when they open their market to USA beef and the USA exports Canadian and USA beef to them. It will be all sold as USA beef.
As I said before they will take our beef when they decide to take both the US and Canadian beef. But you may be right Tommy about Canadian beef being sold to them as US beef too, as we all know including Japan, that without imported beef the US doesn't have enough to supply their domestic need let alone an Export market. :roll:

Tam, that is just wrong. The U.S. could raise ALL the beef it needs. If prices stay high enough for long enough, there will be more supply in the U.S. Because the prices were artificially depressed for a period of time, there was a reduction in supply (this is a movement down the supply curve). Do not think for one minute that the U.S. supply could not bounce back up. Since the cattle reproductive cycle is so much longer than pork an poultry, those substitutes will gain market share compared to beef while it takes time for beef supplies to react to higher prices.

I am not advocating a protectionist policy here, I am just correcting your erroneous statement. Canadian producers will be on the losing end of this game sometimes (they already are and don't realize who is to blame).
 
OT: "You and I both know that the only reason the Big Business controlled USDA changed the BSE rule for Canada when it wouldn't for the 22 other countries was so that these Big Business's could obtain access to their Canadian captive supply which they could again use to manipulate and hold down prices....This was a money decision and had nothing to do with sound science....Even our Ag Secretary said we needed to open the border because the prices of beef was getting too high!!!!"

How do you explain the current cattle prices with the border opened? Don't these large evil packers now have access to those "so called" Canadian captive supply?

Proves how worthless this bogus argument really is.


~SH~
 
~SH~ said:
OT: "You and I both know that the only reason the Big Business controlled USDA changed the BSE rule for Canada when it wouldn't for the 22 other countries was so that these Big Business's could obtain access to their Canadian captive supply which they could again use to manipulate and hold down prices....This was a money decision and had nothing to do with sound science....Even our Ag Secretary said we needed to open the border because the prices of beef was getting too high!!!!"

How do you explain the current cattle prices with the border opened? Don't these large evil packers now have access to those "so called" Canadian captive supply?

Proves how worthless this bogus argument really is.


~SH~

How many times do I have to tell you that the captive supply is not causative? Supression of price happens when captive supply is used to break the economic concepts embodied in Section 202 a, b, or c.
 
Kindergarten economics: "How many times do I have to tell you that the captive supply is not causative? Supression of price happens when captive supply is used to break the economic concepts embodied in Section 202 a, b, or c."

BULLSH*T!

PROVE IT!!!!!

Explain what situations allow captive supplies to surpress markets at certain times and not at others.

Watch this, here comes another volley of empty unsupported statements....................



~SH~
 
Econ101 said:
Tam said:
Tommy said:
Oldtimer...Tam- It still leaves one question that you never answer--If Canada has this miraculous system, and everyone is following it, and Japan wants these ribs-------Why isn't Canada exporting directly to Japan today?

Japan will take Canadain beef when they open their market to USA beef and the USA exports Canadian and USA beef to them. It will be all sold as USA beef.
As I said before they will take our beef when they decide to take both the US and Canadian beef. But you may be right Tommy about Canadian beef being sold to them as US beef too, as we all know including Japan, that without imported beef the US doesn't have enough to supply their domestic need let alone an Export market. :roll:

Tam, that is just wrong. The U.S. could raise ALL the beef it needs. If prices stay high enough for long enough, there will be more supply in the U.S. Because the prices were artificially depressed for a period of time, there was a reduction in supply (this is a movement down the supply curve). Do not think for one minute that the U.S. supply could not bounce back up. Since the cattle reproductive cycle is so much longer than pork an poultry, those substitutes will gain market share compared to beef while it takes time for beef supplies to react to higher prices.

I am not advocating a protectionist policy here, I am just correcting your erroneous statement. Canadian producers will be on the losing end of this game sometimes (they already are and don't realize who is to blame).

What erroneous statement?
The U.S. could raise ALL the beef it needs.
"Could raise" means you aren't now raising enough right Econo101? :?
Do not think for one minute that the U.S. supply could not bounce back up.
Where did I say it couldn't bounce back? :???: What I said was you don't have enough beef to supply your domestic market let alone an export market and that was proven by the 21 % increase in imports of beef while your export markets were virtually shut down. :roll: Proof. in 2003 while exporting you imported $2,623,565,000 worth of beef, In 2004 while exportes were virtually shut down you imported $3,633,646,000 over a 20% increase. and so far in 2005 Jan to Aug, you have increased you imports again by 6.5% 2004 $2,393,007,000 to 2005 with $2,548,661,000 and still no big export markets have opened up so what are you doing will all that extra beef you are importing Econo101? Numbers from USDA FAS import commodity report.
If prices stay high enough for long enough, there will be more supply in the U.S.
R-CALF has been credited for giving the US producers the three most profitable years in history and you imports are still going up and since you added this statement "Since the cattle reproductive cycle is so much longer" all I can say is How long do you think it will take you to be able to supply your domestic market plus an export market? And is Japan to wait that long if they want to buy US beef? :roll:
Because the prices were artificially depressed for a period of time, there was a reduction in supply (this is a movement down the supply curve).
I suppose the years of drought in the mid west had nothing to do with the fact you don't have enough cattle to supply your domestic needs. :?
 
Tam, value is not volume. Your figures are mostly irrelevant to volume of production, consumption, and imported volume. Total USA beef use (consumption) has been relatively flat since around 1990. The import changes you site are, for the most part, changes in value(price).

Thanks for the info you sent me, Agman! :D
 
RobertMac said:
Tam, value is not volume. Your figures are mostly irrelevant to volume of production, consumption, and imported volume. Total USA beef use (consumption) has been relatively flat since around 1990. The import changes you site are, for the most part, changes in value(price).

Thanks for the info you sent me, Agman! :D

Well Robertmac in 2003 while exporting you imported 983,978.6 MT valued at $2,623,565,000 and in 2004 while not exporting MUCH you imported 1,197,992.0 MT valued at $3,633,646,000 of beef that is a 213,943.4 MT or 471,530,272 pound valued at $1,010,081,000 increase in a year when you didn't have any of your major export markets open that you had in 2003. During the JAN - AUG time period in 2004 you imported 803,133.3 MT at a value of $2,393,007,000 and during the same time period in 2005 you imported 829,802.9 MT valued at $$2,548,661,000 which works out to a 3.32% or 26669.6 MT or 58,778,476 pound valued at $155,654,000 increase, which is a 6.5% increase in value. This is according to the USDA stats. Any way you look at it the US is importing more beef AND it is costing them more to do it. Your Consumption may have been relatively flat but your imports are rising so that means you are producing less of what you consume. And until that trend turns around, which in no way am I saying it won't happen in the future but until it does you will not have beef to export without your imports covering your butts.
 
"Could raise" means you aren't now raising enough right Econo101?

Tam,

Your reasoning is close to SH's. Are you related? The U.S. could supply all of the beef for the U.S. Just because there were imports doesn't mean this statement is false. The U.S. could also supply all of the sugar it uses. Just because there are sugar imports does not mean that it couldn't. The U.S. could supply all of the steel it needs, all of the computer parts, etc... Just because I said "could" and it does not at the moment does not mean that it can't. That is SH logic, NCBA logic, and currently USDA logic. That is also part of the problem with the questions being asked currently in the farm forums.

I have a friend in Japan right now and he said he had one of the best gala apples he has ever seen (this retired farmer is from an apple growing state) but that it was $3.50. Some countries do not subscribe to the cheap food policy our agribusiness and food related industries have pushed in this country. When you get producer prices like we have today you get the secretary of agriculture having to ask his current farm forum questions:

1. How should farm policy be designed to maximize U.S. competitiveness and our country's ability to effectively compete in global markets?

2. How should farm policy address any unintended consequences and ensure that such consequences do not discourage new farmers and the next generation of farmers from entering production agriculture?

In answer to number two, the Secretary of Agriculture for the state of Louisiana said farmers had to be paid more. If you want more supply, then PAY MORE. That is the answer in a free economy, not subsidies. Subsidies that encourage oversupply only exacerbate the problem of price. If you want more supply, PAY YOUR PRODUCERS MORE, NOT LESS.

What is your solution?


The first question was one that assumes the world price of a commodity is a fair market price. The world price is full of dumped commodities and below cost production. Usually these are thinner markets. What do you think most of the arguments in WTO are about? All of the commodities I mentioned above have had "dumping" cases in the WTO.

Do you disagree?
 
Econ101 said:
"Could raise" means you aren't now raising enough right Econo101?

Tam,

Your reasoning is close to SH's. Are you related? The U.S. could supply all of the beef for the U.S. Just because there were imports doesn't mean this statement is false. The U.S. could also supply all of the sugar it uses. Just because there are sugar imports does not mean that it couldn't. The U.S. could supply all of the steel it needs, all of the computer parts, etc... Just because I said "could" and it does not at the moment does not mean that it can't. That is SH logic, NCBA logic, and currently USDA logic. That is also part of the problem with the questions being asked currently in the farm forums.

I have a friend in Japan right now and he said he had one of the best gala apples he has ever seen (this retired farmer is from an apple growing state) but that it was $3.50. Some countries do not subscribe to the cheap food policy our agribusiness and food related industries have pushed in this country. When you get producer prices like we have today you get the secretary of agriculture having to ask his current farm forum questions:

1. How should farm policy be designed to maximize U.S. competitiveness and our country's ability to effectively compete in global markets?

2. How should farm policy address any unintended consequences and ensure that such consequences do not discourage new farmers and the next generation of farmers from entering production agriculture?

In answer to number two, the Secretary of Agriculture for the state of Louisiana said farmers had to be paid more. If you want more supply, then PAY MORE. That is the answer in a free economy, not subsidies. Subsidies that encourage oversupply only exacerbate the problem of price. If you want more supply, PAY YOUR PRODUCERS MORE, NOT LESS.

What is your solution?


The first question was one that assumes the world price of a commodity is a fair market price. The world price is full of dumped commodities and below cost production. Usually these are thinner markets. What do you think most of the arguments in WTO are about? All of the commodities I mentioned above have had "dumping" cases in the WTO.

Do you disagree?

And the word "could" means "an auxiliary with present or future sence, generally equivalent to can in meaning and use, expressing especially a shade of doubt or a small degree of ability or possibility( e.g. it could be so)" from Webster New World Dictionary. So it could happen but since you were importing far more with no exports I have a shade of doubt to your small degree of ability. :wink: And If I have the same logic of SH and the NCBA and the USDA I guess they are the ones that could have information you don't so I guess I could live with that. :wink:
 
Econ101 said:
Tam said:
Tommy said:
Oldtimer...Tam- It still leaves one question that you never answer--If Canada has this miraculous system, and everyone is following it, and Japan wants these ribs-------Why isn't Canada exporting directly to Japan today?

Japan will take Canadain beef when they open their market to USA beef and the USA exports Canadian and USA beef to them. It will be all sold as USA beef.
As I said before they will take our beef when they decide to take both the US and Canadian beef. But you may be right Tommy about Canadian beef being sold to them as US beef too, as we all know including Japan, that without imported beef the US doesn't have enough to supply their domestic need let alone an Export market. :roll:

Tam, that is just wrong. The U.S. could raise ALL the beef it needs. If prices stay high enough for long enough, there will be more supply in the U.S. Because the prices were artificially depressed for a period of time, there was a reduction in supply (this is a movement down the supply curve). Do not think for one minute that the U.S. supply could not bounce back up. Since the cattle reproductive cycle is so much longer than pork an poultry, those substitutes will gain market share compared to beef while it takes time for beef supplies to react to higher prices.

I am not advocating a protectionist policy here, I am just correcting your erroneous statement. Canadian producers will be on the losing end of this game sometimes (they already are and don't realize who is to blame).

Are you absent the fact that beef demand declined for a period of nineteen years? Beef production increased during that period but was insufficient to keep up with population growth. Thus, per capita supplies declined. The gain in carcass weights offset the entire reduction in the cattle inventories. Prices were not artificially depressed as you once again claim without any supporting facts. Prices were depressed because of a nearly 50% decline in beef demand from 1980--1998. BTW, these events happened long before the advent of marketing agreements.
 
Tam:
And the word "could" means "an auxiliary with present or future sence, generally equivalent to can in meaning and use, expressing especially a shade of doubt or a small degree of ability or possibility( e.g. it could be so)" from Webster New World Dictionary. So it could happen but since you were importing far more with no exports I have a shade of doubt to your small degree of ability. Wink And If I have the same logic of SH and the NCBA and the USDA I guess they are the ones that could have information you don't so I guess I could live with that. Wink

Tam, I never said that the U.S. shouldn't import Canadian beef. I like Canada and its products. We don't have to have them, but we are better off having trade with Canada than not. So is Canada. My problem is not with Canadian trade, it is with the USDA shutting the border for BSE reasons and opening it after Tyson gobbled up another packer. Why did they really close it in the first place and is that reason still valid? The reason should never have been to put a Candadian firm on the skids so Tyson could buy another competitor and gain more market power. That is suspiciously what it looks like.
 
Econ, Tyson never bought another Canadian company during the BSE border closure.

Cargill did buy Better Beef, but that most likely would have happened with or without the BSE deal.

I could be the world's largest rancher too, doesn't mean it will ever happen.

The US has needed imports since 1951 to cover domestic consumption. To say the US could produce enough beef is to say they would need artificial trade barriers to make it economically feasible to do so. The US produces as much beef as the market determines it needs to at current costs etc.
 
Oldtimer said:
agman said:
Oldtimer said:
Wrong again OT, the three judge panel saw all the evidence presented at Cebull's trail. They at least know how to read and did not have to copy R-Calf's comments to derive at an opinion.

Agman-I assume you mean trial- but there has been no trial yet- on anything.. No testimony .....Only pretrial briefs filed which Judge Cebull said was enough to issue a temporary injunction- the ninth circuit disagreed on the injunction....But their has been no presentation of evidence or facts regarding the initial case against USDA......

As you know both side admitted their evidence before the hearing. At the hearing on the preliminary injunction Cebull cut short testimony from the USDA. Then within 24 hours he released his (he did not fool anyone) opinion that was approximately 65% verbatim from copied R-Calf including spelling errors. The evidence submitted at that hearing was made available to the judges in the 9th Circuit who unanimously overturned Cebull's ruling. Later as you know the "en banc" hearing request was rejected by 47 judges in the 9th Circuit. It cannot be anymore clear how fallacious R-Calf claims were.
 
Econ101 said:
Tam:
And the word "could" means "an auxiliary with present or future sence, generally equivalent to can in meaning and use, expressing especially a shade of doubt or a small degree of ability or possibility( e.g. it could be so)" from Webster New World Dictionary. So it could happen but since you were importing far more with no exports I have a shade of doubt to your small degree of ability. Wink And If I have the same logic of SH and the NCBA and the USDA I guess they are the ones that could have information you don't so I guess I could live with that. Wink

Tam, I never said that the U.S. shouldn't import Canadian beef. I like Canada and its products. We don't have to have them, but we are better off having trade with Canada than not. So is Canada. My problem is not with Canadian trade, it is with the USDA shutting the border for BSE reasons and opening it after Tyson gobbled up another packer. Why did they really close it in the first place and is that reason still valid? The reason should never have been to put a Candadian firm on the skids so Tyson could buy another competitor and gain more market power. That is suspiciously what it looks like.

We DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM. Just what do you think your beef prices would be like if you cut your supply by 356,604.2 MT a year. That is the amount you imported from Canada alone in 2004. Would the average US consumer still be eating beef at the higher price this drop in supplies would cause? Or would you lose those consumers to your real competitors Chicken and Pork. Maybe then you could supply your demand Econo101. The Chicken and Pork industries may be a bit short of supplying theirs though. :wink: :roll:
 
Econo101 put all the coulds aside. If Japan was to open your export market to them tomorrow can the US cattle industry supply that market with beef without importing beef or shorting the domestic market of beef?
Yes you can or No you could not?
 

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