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The Saga continues

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For those of you that may have missed the first episode I'll bring it out of the orginal thread to get you up to date.

Oh PLEEEAAASSSEEEE let me mwj

I see it going something like this

OIE board ............ok Oldtimer and Haymaker why are you here today?
Oldtimer ......... members of the OIE board we are here today to ask that you grant the much superior US cattle industry a more favorable BSE risk profile.
OIE board..........ok could the two of you explain in detail why the board should grant this more favorable profile ?
Oldtimer .......(Standing with a puffed out chest) Well you see I have years of looking at the evidence due to the fact I was in law enforcement in small town Montana for thirty years, and this is the way I read it. The US can't possibly be in the same risk category as Canada they have had 4 post feed ban positives. You have to grant us a more favorable risk category as we just can't be the same as Canada
OIE board...... What is your story Haymaker?
Haymaker .......( surprised they asked him as he was just there for support, to cheer Oldtimer on) Well I agree with my friend here we just can't be in the same risk category. you see our beef organization leader said so!!!
OIE board....... Who is you Beef organization
Oldtimer....... R-CALF USA ( again with the puffed out chest and proud as a peacock look on his face)
OIE board ....... Isn't that the organization that misreads the meaning of our guidelines. (Puzzled look on faces)
Oldtimer ....... (Clearing his throat) Well well lets get back to the reason we are here today. The evidence is we have only had two pre feed ban cases and Canada has had 4 post feed ban cases. That should tell you all that the US is less of a risk.
Haymaker..... And besides if Canada hadn't of put the spot light on North America nobody would have known about our two cases. (Double winking at all the board)
OIE board....... What do you mean Haymaker? ( intently looking for an explanation)
Oldtimer ...... ( worried look on face) can we get back to the fact Canada has had four post feed ban positives and we can't possibly be as large of a risk as they are.
OIE board...... ( shuffleing papers) I see by your letter here you claim to have 99% compliance to your feed ban and that you have claimed it effectively protected you from the spread of BSE. Do you have records to prove what you say?
Oldtimer...... Well our testing hasn't found any post feed ban positives has it, thats proof enough for us. (Oldtimer then winks at Haymaker)
Haymaker ........besides I read in the Washington post that we have the safest beef in the world raised to the highest Standards in the World, that has to tell you something doesn't it?( Haymaker winks back at Oldtimer)
One board member whispers to another board member..... Have you seen Broke Back Mountain (motioning with his eyes to Oldtimer and Haymaker. and snickers to himself)
OIE board......(Again shuffling papers) Well let us look at the investigations into your BSE cases we see here you never found the birthplace of the Alabama cow what do you have to say about that?
Oldtimer.....( with a all knowing look and thumbs poked into his suspenders) well you see not all states have a brand system but if it had happened in Montana I guarantee as a State Brand inspector we would have had the producer's name in no more than 6 to 8 weeks using our system that has never failed us in the past 100 years.
OIE board..... (Turning their attention to Haymaker who is distracted by the fan on the ceiling ) Since Haymaker is from Texas can you explain about the BSE cow in that State.
Haymaker........( quickly bring his one eye back down to look at the board while keeping the other on the spinning fan) which one do you mean your honor?
OIE board....... Do you mean there was more than one Texas cow with BSE? (looking puzzled and shuffling the papers in front of them)
Haymaker ....... (bringing both eyes to attention) not by our testing results thanks to the quick thinking of a Texan that discretely made a targeted cow disappear before samples could be taken!!! ( said with a big grin of pleasure on his face and another wink in Oldtimers direction )
Oldtimer......(motioning for Haymaker to zip it about the first Texas cow) can we please get back to what our record shows.
OIE board......( more paper shuffling) We see here that after the USDA negotiated a boneless meat deal with Korea, Korea rejected your first shipment due to bone chips what do you have to say about that?
Oldtimer......(quietly says to Haymaker) I think Creekstone was just trying to get something on the record to use in their case against you know who. (then another wink exchanges between the two)
Second Board member back to first board member... I see what you mean (laughing under his breath)
OIE Board ...... What do you mean?
Oldtimer......( surprised look) Did I just say that out loud, ( trying to distract attention from his comment) Please can we get back to the fact Canada has found 4 post feed ban positives.
OIE board. (again more paper shuffling) We see Japan re-ban your beef Why?
Haymaker..... (With a wink to the board) I guess that is what you get for being nice and sending them a little something extra in their boxes for Christmas.
Oldtimer.......( elbowing Haymaker and giggling like a little girl) Please can we get a back to why we are here.
Haymaker .....( With a very sober face) If I could your honors I would like to add that the BSE the US has is not the deadly kind Canada has, ours is BSE LITE.
OIE board....... I think we have heard enough let use talk between ourselves. ( while Oldtimer and Haymaker leave the room High fiving each other and patting each other on the back the two board members bust out laughing)
OIE chairmen look at the two and ask Please explain your behavior, after they explain, the whole board has a good laugh and call Oldtimer and Haymaker back in.
OIE board...... Here are our recommendations to take back to your industry. (With a very sober look on face)
1. If you want to claim 99% compliance of an effective feed ban, have records that prove it, we don't rule on Hear say.
2. Just because your testing hasn't found more BSE doesn't mean your feed ban was effective, it could mean the spot light may not have been bright enough to stop all the cheating that Haymaker hinted to. So go back and test the animals we recommended years ago with the right testing protocol.
3. do us all a favor and get to work on a National ID system that works as your investigations have proven your hit and miss 100 year old Brand system is not good enough if you want to trade in the global marketplace.
4. Get all your packers together in one place and teach them what countries will except what and that boneless means boneless even when you are trying to get something on the record. Why should other countries except ban product when all you are doing is trying to discredit your regulatory agency.
5. Please tell your leader again that our guidelines are not written in stone step by step rules they are just Guideline. and more importantly we have never said that trade with BSE affect countries should be ban. We said after a complete risk assessment is done trade should resume under certain conditions.

Now this is for you Oldtimer since you have a background in law enforcement and are a Montana Brand inspector we have two requests of you.

1. Please call Nebraska and South Dakota and use your 30 years of experience and talk to the packer, trucker, sale barn operator, and feedlot guy and get the truth out of them even if it takes you all of a couple of hours. Stop harassing the Canadians for something that may turn out to have nothing to do with them.

2. The next request might take a bit longer but we trust you are as trustworthy and honest as your voters thought and will do all you can. It is to go back to Montana and find your fellow R-CALF member that is continually sending misleading attention grabbing headlines to the US Congressmen and Senators. As we are tired of repeatedly correcting the information he is trying to use to further R-CALFs protectionist agenda. Please start with pointing out to this poor mislead man that there is not one shred of evidence that proves CJD is caused by eating Beef.

Thank you both for bringing your request to us BUT since your answers and the US records does not give us any confidence in your system our final suggestion to you is go back to the US and don't come back until you can stop blaming others for your problems and have done something about updating your antiquated beef industry so you can trade in a global marketplace without risking others lives. ( which is followed by a group wink to the two Broke down cowboys)

Curtains close on Oldtimer and Haymaker with hats in hand walking from the board room whispering....... What the H*** do they know we are US beef producers and Leo told us we have the safest beef in the world raised to the highest standards in the world, besides our friend Sandhusker has gone on recorded defending Leo's comments about the US maintaining standards that would stop any risk of BSE being introduced into the US beef herd and risking US consumers. They both can't be wrong. ( at this point they take each other by the hand and disappear into the mountains before returning to the US)
 
The Saga continues
Title Dick and Jane go out for supper


With teary eyes Oldtimer and Haymaker are forced to part company at the Denver airport after their bit disappointing trip but all was not lost as they have their memories of their romp in the Mountains of France to console them. Haymaker boards his plane for Texas after a public handshake and a private wink exchanged with Oldtimer. As Oldtimer waits for his plane back to Montana he recalls the trip in detail in his mind then calls his wife to inform her that he is on his way and of his arrival time. Back home his wife Jane decides to do something nice and makes a reservation for supper. She calls several places and finally manages to find a place but it is a bit out of their price range. As Jane's choices are limited, she makes the arrangements. She leaves to pick up Dick at the Glasgow international a one runway air port out in the boonies . After a cordial hand shake and a friendly hug they get in the Pickup Truck and head back to town.

Oldtimer........ (as he walks into a fancy eatery and looks around recognizes someone ) Look Jane there is Doctor John and his wife Judy ( Oldtimer gets a look in his eye that wife Jane knows all to well)
Jane.........(with worried look on face) Please Dick just sit down.
Oldtimer ......( twisting his head around 350 degree scouting for other possibly targets). Look Jane there is Randy and his wife Sandy. He is a banker did you know that.
Jane...... (Pleading) Please Dick don't make a scene again.
Oldtimer ...... (ignoring Jane's pleads) Jane grab us a table I'll be right back.
Jane ..... (Holding his arm) No Dick please let them eat in peace
Oldtimer....... (with hand over heart) But I feel it is my duty Jane
Jane ......... (Pleading again) But Dick you have got us kicked out of every restaurant in town even the McDonald's will not let us in. This is the last place in town Please let it go for me
Oldtimer...... (Looking right by his pleading wife's face and sizing up his targets) Look Jane these people trust me, they voted for me, they will listen to me. They bought R-CALF memberships didn't they, they will believe anything. Besides those guys at McDonald's can eat local butcher shops beef it really isn't going to hurt them I just told them that in hopes to sell them that old cow in the back forty that is about to die. If that meat was going to kill someone I would have had the obligation of a retired law enforcement office to stop him from selling it.
Jane....... (Pleading even harder) But But Please Dick you promised the last time we got kicked out of a restaurant you would stop bothering the customers with your fear mongering. .
Oldtimer....... But Jane these are the kind of people that can afford to buy source verified beef, and they will if I can just convince them that meat counter beef is unsafe. Just one more time Jane I have to sell that old cow before she dies and these people can pay more for her than the guys at the McDonald's ever could. Jane....... (turning to the waiter) Please sir do you have a table in the back away from the rest of your diners?
Oldtimer ....... (Pulling out a hand full of change from his torn pocket ) No No Jane here is a quarter sonny I want the table right between the Doctor and the Banker ( winking at the good looking young waiter)
Waiter..... (seats Dick and Jane and walks away mumbling) Gee another High Roller (rolling his eyes at the waitress approaching the table with water glasses and menus )
Oldtimer....... (Looking over the menu) Jane remember what Meatrix web site said ask where they get their beef and if they can't answer we better eat pork chops.
Jane ……. (rolling her eyes) Yes Dick. (motioning to the waitress) Miss can you tell us where you get your beef.
Waitress…… no madam but I'll go ask the Chef. (waitress exits to kitchen)
Waitress …… (arriving at kitchen door.) Hey the wife of the high roller is asking where we get our beef
French speaking Chef………Tell her all our beef comes from the local butcher.
Waitress ……. (Returning to table) madam and sir our chef verified we buy our beef locally . (Waitress exits and the first waiter stops her)
Waiter……. (With puzzled look ) Isn't that butcher that was caught with Product of Canada beef boxes in his dumpster by the old guy that likes to dumpster dive for scrapes.
Waitress….. (winking) yea I think so. But as long as the meat was inspected who cares . Besides it's not as if Our beef is any safer have you read about our beef industry's record on handling the BSE within our country and the loopholes within our firewall that allowed tainted beef into our food chain.
Waiter…….. Good point let the old fart enjoy a good steak for once in his life. (winking)
The Waitress returns to take the order.
Oldtimer ………I'll have a Prime Rib and make it rare that is how a true man likes his beef RARE. (as he winks at the waiter across the room)
While Dick and Jane wait for their meal , Oldtimer moves in for the kill. He orders a good old bottle of Boones Farm to be delivered to his unsuspecting targets. Being polite John and Randy both acknowledge the arrival of the wine at their tables with a wink in Oldtimer's direction. Oldtimers mind flashes back to his good old friend Haymaker. With a smile Oldtimer stands to move closer to his targets.
Jane……. (Still seated Pleads) Please Dick not again. Sit down
Oldtimer …….. ( ignoring his wife, sets out on his mission to put the fear of beef into these beef consumers) Sirs, Madams can I tell you about a fraud that the USDA is involved in that is surely risking your next breath.
Yada yada yada
Sandy…… (looking worried) we have money tell us where can we find some of this source verified beef you speak of.
Judy……. ( worried for her life) don't forget me I have more money I'll pay, where can we get this safe beef.
Oldtimer ……. (with the look of success in his eyes) well ladies I just so happen to have it nice cow I was looking to sell maybe you would like to share her. You can trust me I'll have her all taken care of and delivered to your homes.
Sandy …… (Shaking Oldtimers hand) Randy get out your cheque book.
Judy…….( Elbowing John) you too John give the man his money before he sells his cow to someone else.
Oldtimer…… Thank you ladies I know you were my kind of people (Winking at the two and returning to his own table to enjoy his RARE Canadian Prime Rib)

Stay tuned for the nest installment of the Saga of Oldtimer the Brokeback Cowboy with the wondering winking eye.
 
Tammy - This homosexual fixation you seem to be displaying now- is this your way of asking for a lady friend-- or a menage a trois :???:

Is this your subtle way of coming out of the closet :???:

Have you considered Professional help?

I think you should look on some other websites to fulfill your kinky fantasys and delusions - you'd have much better luck.....
 
Why didn't the OIE board ask the obvious; "If you have an effective feed ban, why the post ban positives? Why do you have a BSE positive animal being born 5 years after the ban is initiated? Was the animal fed feed that was at least 5 years old, or has somebody up there been manufacturing BSE carrying feed all along? When did they stop? Have they stopped? How many mills are doing this?"
 
Has any body noticed that the closer you get to the truth on a subject how Oldtimer looses his sense of Humor :? :wink: :lol: :lol:

Don't worry Oldtimer your sorted little story is just between the friends on Ranchers. Well that is if a Hollywood film producer doesn't read it and makes me an offer I can't refuse to come up with a sequel. Maybe the title could be Brokeback Mountain "the later years better late than never". How much should I hold out for ten or twenty dollars? I don't want to go to high as I doubt it will be a big seller once the movie goers get a look at two broken down old cowboys hiding behind claims of being ladies men winking at each other. It will most likely hit the two dollar video bin at Walmart and fizzle :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Sandhusker; If you would take the time to do some basic research you would find that Canada's feedmills are state of the art facilities that can properly handle all aspects of their business. They have been independently audited by OIE, USDA and many of the countries that we trade beef with. As well they are routinely inspected by CFIA for regulation conformity. Perhaps the reason for finding BSE is that we are maintaining a proper surveillance program. Perhaps you should worry more about your own feed bans and how effective they are! Your industry has a long ways to go to match Canadian regulation!
 
cowsense said:
Sandhusker; If you would take the time to do some basic research you would find that Canada's feedmills are state of the art facilities that can properly handle all aspects of their business. They have been independently audited by OIE, USDA and many of the countries that we trade beef with. As well they are routinely inspected by CFIA for regulation conformity. Perhaps the reason for finding BSE is that we are maintaining a proper surveillance program. Perhaps you should worry more about your own feed bans and how effective they are! Your industry has a long ways to go to match Canadian regulation!

Regulations don't matter if they aren't followed. It doesn't say much for the inspections if they pass your mills and post ban cases keep popping up. How can you believe them?
 
Tam said:
Has any body noticed that the closer you get to the truth on a subject how Oldtimer looses his sense of Humor :? :wink: :lol: :lol:

Don't worry Oldtimer your sorted little story is just between the friends on Ranchers. Well that is if a Hollywood film producer doesn't read it and makes me an offer I can't refuse to come up with a sequel. Maybe the title could be Brokeback Mountain "the later years better late than never". How much should I hold out for ten or twenty dollars? I don't want to go to high as I doubt it will be a big seller once the movie goers get a look at two broken down old cowboys hiding behind claims of being ladies men winking at each other. It will most likely hit the two dollar video bin at Walmart and fizzle :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tam-- all it shows me is that Canada has such a bad problem that you have to keep changing the subject-- and you'd prefer the subject to be your apparently repressed perversions and fantasys....Like I said I don't read fiction- there is enough to be learned from the real happenings of the world, that I don't need to delve into fiction...
 
Sandhusker said:
Why didn't the OIE board ask the obvious; "If you have an effective feed ban, why the post ban positives? Why do you have a BSE positive animal being born 5 years after the ban is initiated? Was the animal fed feed that was at least 5 years old, or has somebody up there been manufacturing BSE carrying feed all along? When did they stop? Have they stopped? How many mills are doing this?"

Sandhusker I would like to thank you for your suggestions and I will keep those very question in mind when I write the episode titled.
Post Feed Ban Positives found in the US but Oldtimer still begs OIE for a more favorable Risk Rating. :wink: I will also keep in mind your answer to Cowsense as an answer from the OIE to Oldtimer


OIE board......... Regulations don't matter Oldtimer if they aren't followed. And since the US has a documented recorded with this board of not following rules, brought to our attention when you and your guy pal last visited our board room we still can't grant you your request. :wink:
 
And you still divert away from those pesky telling post ban positives..... They happened, Tam. They happened because no matter what your regulations are, no matter who says your ban is working, it failed. FIVE YEARS after a ban that is supposed to stop new cases from showing up, here one is.

If I inspected a boat and told you it was fine - and then is promplty sank, would you brag about my inspection abilties? Would you hire me to inspect another boat?
 
Sandhusker said:
And you still divert away from those pesky telling post ban positives..... They happened, Tam. They happened because no matter what your regulations are, no matter who says your ban is working, it failed. FIVE YEARS after a ban that is supposed to stop new cases from showing up, here one is.

If I inspected a boat and told you it was fine - and then is promplty sank, would you brag about my inspection abilties? Would you hire me to inspect another boat?


Depends if the insurance company paid out.
 
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Has any body noticed that the closer you get to the truth on a subject how Oldtimer looses his sense of Humor :? :wink: :lol: :lol:

Don't worry Oldtimer your sorted little story is just between the friends on Ranchers. Well that is if a Hollywood film producer doesn't read it and makes me an offer I can't refuse to come up with a sequel. Maybe the title could be Brokeback Mountain "the later years better late than never". How much should I hold out for ten or twenty dollars? I don't want to go to high as I doubt it will be a big seller once the movie goers get a look at two broken down old cowboys hiding behind claims of being ladies men winking at each other. It will most likely hit the two dollar video bin at Walmart and fizzle :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tam-- all it shows me is that Canada has such a bad problem that you have to keep changing the subject-- and you'd prefer the subject to be your apparently repressed perversions and fantasys....Like I said I don't read fiction- there is enough to be learned from the real happenings of the world, that I don't need to delve into fiction...

Think what you want Oldtimer, maybe you should remember though that it was your traveling partner that started this little saga with his story about Canada to distract attention from Cowsenses question to YOU
can you definately say that the US won't find more native cases of BSE???
After Haymaker wrote his little attention distracting story. It was a US producer that ask to see the story about you and your proof. I just took it upon myself to write it as I doubt Haymaker would have done a good job showing what a joke your proof is. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: Next time answer the questions posted to you and stop having your guy pal jump in to get you out of answering. :shock: :wink:

Like I said I don't read fiction- there is enough to be learned from the real happenings of the world, that I don't need to delve into fiction..
This coming from a guy that sends misleading attention grabbing FICTION to his Congressmen and Senator to further R-CALF's closed border protectionist agenda. :roll: When did you stop reading fiction Oldtimer when my innocent little story came to close to the truth. :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
And you still divert away from those pesky telling post ban positives..... They happened, Tam. They happened because no matter what your regulations are, no matter who says your ban is working, it failed. FIVE YEARS after a ban that is supposed to stop new cases from showing up, here one is.

If I inspected a boat and told you it was fine - and then is promplty sank, would you brag about my inspection abilties? Would you hire me to inspect another boat?


Depends if the insurance company paid out.

Tam writes fantasy, you divert from reality.

Here's something for you to thnk about; The measure of effectiveness for anything is whether or not the desired effect occurs. The feed ban was supposed to stop BSE positives from happening after it's implementation. It didn't happen. Your feed ban was proven ineffective as of 2002. Make a joke, write a fantasy, doesn't change the facts.
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
And you still divert away from those pesky telling post ban positives..... They happened, Tam. They happened because no matter what your regulations are, no matter who says your ban is working, it failed. FIVE YEARS after a ban that is supposed to stop new cases from showing up, here one is.

If I inspected a boat and told you it was fine - and then is promplty sank, would you brag about my inspection abilties? Would you hire me to inspect another boat?


Depends if the insurance company paid out.

Tam writes fantasy, you divert from reality.

Here's something for you to thnk about; The measure of effectiveness for anything is whether or not the desired effect occurs. The feed ban was supposed to stop BSE positives from happening after it's implementation. It didn't happen. Your feed ban was proven ineffective as of 2002. Make a joke, write a fantasy, doesn't change the facts.


Sandhusker your living in your field of dreams, You know "Build it and they will come".
We if the USA " Tested for BSE they would Find it".
 
Sandhusker; With your vast knowledge perhaps you could comment on the incubation period of BSE and how the American feedban system is superior to Canada's. In the entire time I've been on this board you only have a handful of standard responses that are repeated over and over......you're about as entertaining as a trained parrot and just about as annoying. Perhaps you should approach the R-clan office for new speaking points or are you already using all that's available???
 
Sandhusker said:
Big Muddy rancher said:
Sandhusker said:
And you still divert away from those pesky telling post ban positives..... They happened, Tam. They happened because no matter what your regulations are, no matter who says your ban is working, it failed. FIVE YEARS after a ban that is supposed to stop new cases from showing up, here one is.

If I inspected a boat and told you it was fine - and then is promplty sank, would you brag about my inspection abilties? Would you hire me to inspect another boat?


Depends if the insurance company paid out.

Tam writes fantasy, you divert from reality.

Here's something for you to thnk about; The measure of effectiveness for anything is whether or not the desired effect occurs. The feed ban was supposed to stop BSE positives from happening after it's implementation. It didn't happen. Your feed ban was proven ineffective as of 2002. Make a joke, write a fantasy, doesn't change the facts.

Sandhusker the fantasies I write have more truth in them than these R-CALF quotes
The World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) recommends that nations that have not yet identified any cases of BSE should test at least 187,000 cattle consecutively just to determine if they have the disease, regardless of the size of the country's cattle herd.
and this
"we know Canada is still processing downer animals, the United States does not process downers".
or this
"We test annually over 150,000 more cattle than Canada tests.
and this ,
"Canada's feed ban is not adequately enforced. News reports originating in Canada indicated that as much as 70% of cattle feed samples tested contained unauthorized animal parts, suggesting that Canada has not adequately enforced its feed bans".
the animals parts were rodents :roll: and some of the samples were imported :roll:
Then we have these
"If there is a positive case again in the U.S., we as a beef producing nation shouldn't market beef in cattle older that 20 months"
my favorite
"we know if we are going to keep consumer confidence we are going to maintain some of the highest standards in the world to make sure that BSE is not introduced into this country. And we are going to make sure we have the best meat and bone meal ban in this country in place. So if for some reason we did find a case we can stand and look our consumers right in the eye and say, don't worry we have had these firewalls in place for years, the only country prior to having a case of BSE to have these firewalls in place for so many years. And we did it to make sure if a case was ever found it was a non-issue. If we look them right in the eye and say that I will guarantee they will keep eating beef".
followed by this one
"R-CALF USA [has] never argued that there was a great risk to human health from resumed imports of cattle and beef from Canada.
Now Sandhusker who is really writing fantasy fiction here? :wink:

Oh Geez I forgot the biggest fantasy of all
The US raises the Safest Beef in the World Raised to the Highest Standards in the World Yea right Sandhusker :wink:
 
cowsense said:
Sandhusker; With your vast knowledge perhaps you could comment on the incubation period of BSE and how the American feedban system is superior to Canada's. In the entire time I've been on this board you only have a handful of standard responses that are repeated over and over......you're about as entertaining as a trained parrot and just about as annoying. Perhaps you should approach the R-clan office for new speaking points or are you already using all that's available???

I keep repeating the same thing because it is a material fact on a huge issue that keeps getting ignored - you Canucks don't seem to want to talk about it. Can you explain to me how a feed ban can be effective but yet have cases showing up 5 years after it's implementation? Maybe you can convice me that an ineffictive feed ban is no big deal.
 
Sandhusker: As usual you are diverting; answer my question about the incubation period of BSE and your own question will be thus answered! We do not ignore the problem as we have been living with the consequences for almost 4 years now and we do know WHAT is happening in our own industry. As I stated before our feed ban is superior to yours and it will soon be enhanced even further!
 
cowsense said:
Sandhusker: As usual you are diverting; answer my question about the incubation period of BSE and your own question will be thus answered! We do not ignore the problem as we have been living with the consequences for almost 4 years now and we do know WHAT is happening in our own industry. As I stated before our feed ban is superior to yours and it will soon be enhanced even further!

What does an incubation period have to do with cattle born POST feedban :???:

They had to be infected AFTER the feedban was instituted--so IF the feedban was working they should not have gotten infected...

So that means the feedban is not working--FOUR times at least....
 
cowsense said:
Sandhusker: As usual you are diverting; answer my question about the incubation period of BSE and your own question will be thus answered! We do not ignore the problem as we have been living with the consequences for almost 4 years now and we do know WHAT is happening in our own industry. As I stated before our feed ban is superior to yours and it will soon be enhanced even further!

Your feed ban is superior to ours on paper - if everybody follows it. However, proof is that not everybody is following it. There goes the superiority.
 

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