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The U.S won't alow any Mexican breeding stock into the US

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The U.S won't alow any Mexican breeding stock into the US. But US producers want to sell boxed beef and live breeding cattle to Mexico. I'm a Mexican rancher that produces top quality cattle. But, I can only export my steers and spayed feeder heifers to the US. What's the matter? US catttlemen are afraid they can't compete with us unsubsized Mexican ranchers. We here in Mexico have a completed Individual Animal ID system in place. How about it US ranchers we've been buying your boxed beef by the millions of tons for years and your breeding stock until recently. When you going to let us export our breeding stock too! It's Ok if you don't because many other countries want our business. Japan and korea has been more than happy to buy our boxed beef after they quit buying US beef. We have been build the packing plants to acomidate the rest of the world markets. As a rancher I would like to sell my breeding stock to the US.
 
Are you ranchers ready to ship cattle to the US. and have them in a searchable database ,Ranchero? It is for COOL law. ScoringAg.com reps in Texas can help you solve the problem if you are not complient for COOL. Iam too far away in Michigan and My Spanish is lousy.
 
Ranchero said:
The U.S won't alow any Mexican breeding stock into the US. But US producers want to sell boxed beef and live breeding cattle to Mexico. I'm a Mexican rancher that produces top quality cattle. But, I can only export my steers and spayed feeder heifers to the US. What's the matter? US catttlemen are afraid they can't compete with us unsubsized Mexican ranchers. We here in Mexico have a completed Individual Animal ID system in place. How about it US ranchers we've been buying your boxed beef by the millions of tons for years and your breeding stock until recently. When you going to let us export our breeding stock too! It's Ok if you don't because many other countries want our business. Japan and korea has been more than happy to buy our boxed beef after they quit buying US beef. We have been build the packing plants to acomidate the rest of the world markets. As a rancher I would like to sell my breeding stock to the US.
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Hmmmm,why does this story sound SO familar :?
Let the frey begin :roll:
 
Actually Ranchero- I believe only spayed cattle are allowed because of Mexico's high rate of bangs disease (brucellosis) and the lack of an adequate eradication program so far....Apparently the disease is of such endemic state in livestock that US travel warnings warn travellers of the chances of catching undulant fever, the human version...

Also because of the high rate of TB appearing in cattle coming in from Mexico- many in the US would like to see the border closed to all cattle from Mexico until that problem is taken care of also....
 
Actually Oldtimer. Sonora, Mexico is a Brucelosis free state. As is TB. Can you say the same for all the US states?
 
US travel warnings are primarily propganda for sheeple. These are mainly fear tactics to keep the sheeple inside the fences of the US pastures. If you get out you might see that the big bad wolf really isn't waiting for you. And you might actually like what you see. So far we haven't had any cases of the vaca loca (BVD, Mad Cow) disease. As for organic beef almost all of my fellow ranchers here raise pure organic beef, but it's just expected. We raise what we want our own families to eat. If you're buying into the whole recent inocculation fraud that has been sold to so many unknowing ranchers to make the drug companies rich, I recomend you do a little more research on the pros and cons. Especially look at whose funding the research.
 
Actually Oldtimer, you have more problems with brucelosis in Montana than we here in Mexico. As for closing the border. All you would be doing is cutting you own throat. You might be better to close Montana's Border to protect the surrounding states. That won't happen because we buy too much boxed beef from the US. If you close the border we'll have to quit buying the many of the tons of US raised beef. Open free trade is always a better option. The only ones who benefit from closed trade are politicians and their special interest group lobbists. Haven't you learned anything from Operation Whatever in Iraq? The US is bankrupt. Free trade refers to just what the words say FREEEDOM. Freeedom is always better for the people than the other option which is NOT FREE. DUHHHH!
 
Our trade deficit is throttling our economy. It costs our country 2 BILLION dollars a DAY. Every Free Trade deal we've gotten into has resulted in a trade deficit. It's pretty easy to connect the dots to see what Free Trade is doing to us.
 
Maybe you need to start competing in the game. The trade deficit is caused by lack of production do to lack of the ability to compete. If you have the products to sell in the world market then do it. Maybe the rest of the world has lost interest in US products since you'all are spreading such good will. Closing your own doors to trade, don't you think it's a two way street. For every action there is an equal reaction. What is trottling the US economy is poor management ie. foreign wars all over the world including those that are off the books paid to mercenary armies such as the Blackwater Group. The trade deficit is do to poor management it has nothing to do with us ranchers just trying do make a living doing what we love. Connect those dots.
 
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Maybe you need to start competing in the game. The trade deficit is caused by lack of production do to lack of the ability to compete. If you have the products to sell ion the world market then do it. Maybe the rest of the world has lost interest in US products since you'all are spreading such good will. Closing your own doors to trade, don't you think it's a two way street. For every action there is an equal reaction. What is trottling the US economy is poor management ie. foreign wars all over the world including those that are off the books paid to mercenary armies such as the Blackwater Group. Connect those dots.
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If you study economics, you'll see that the modern wars, WWI to now, have stimulated the economy. Low interest rates are also supportive. We've had a war now for 5 years and low interest rates as well - yet our economy, quite bluntly, sucks. The Federal Reserve economists, and others, have said that a trade deficit of 5% of GDP is a tipping point. We're at 5.2 now - was at 6.2% last year before the falling dollar blunted it.

I didn't say we need to close our doors to trade. I'm saying this Free Trade crap isn't as advertised. We were trading long before Free Trade, we can trade without it. We need fair and balance trade.

You can't keep borrowing and borrowing to support your deficit. Signs are now surfacing that our debt has lost it's luster for the global investors because of our borrowing. We're now losing our income producing assets as foreigners buy up our businesses and real estate. We're heading to a scenario where we're in debt up to our necks with nothing else to hock - and the biggest driver is our trade deficit - and I've already explained what every damn Free Trade agreement we've gotten into has done to our deficit.
 
All cattle are TB tested before crossing into US from Mexico. They are also very thoroughly USDA inspected individually in the chute. I would say that's a fair eradication program how about you Oldtimer? I think you ought to do a little more research before you take a postion on such subjects.
 
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Maybe you need to start competing in the game. The trade deficit is caused by lack of production do to lack of the ability to compete. If you have the products to sell in the world market then do it. Maybe the rest of the world has lost interest in US products since you'all are spreading such good will. Closing your own doors to trade, don't you think it's a two way street. For every action there is an equal reaction. What is trottling the US economy is poor management ie. foreign wars all over the world including those that are off the books paid to mercenary armies such as the Blackwater Group. The trade deficit is do to poor management it has nothing to do with us ranchers just trying do make a living doing what we love. Connect those dots.
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Maybe we should figure out how to pay what you all do for labor that would help.OH yeah we can't seams we have laws protecting every one's rights and workmans comp that is 30 cents on a dollar here for my business.If things are so damn great in your economy why are so many of your country men risking their lives to come work here???You don't see us swimming a river to come to your country.We have TB in Minnesota now it's a Southwestern strain which originated in MEXICO.Sure am glad we got to import some of your cattle.How well are your southern borders Do you let cattle in from south america??If I hated a country as much as you do I would'nt want to send them any cattle anyhow.
 
Well Ranchero- you kind of sound like all your countrymates that swim the river to come to this country illegally to take advantage of our higher standards of life and then cuss us for not giving them more handouts or changing our standards to fit around them after they get here... :shock: :(

If your brucellosis problem is actually taken care of- then you need to be convincing the powers that be of that-- but from what I could find that does not appear to be the case- as CDC lists the number one cause of brucellosis in US humans as coming from unpasturized Mexican cheese- which causes a couple hundred cases in the US yearly- while 1,000's in Mexico are getting the disease.. :shock: And in every publication I could find from USDA- they still list Mexico as endemic for the disease- along with tuberculosis...

As far as the US- there is only one state that is not considered bangs free- and that is Texas- and many figure that originates from Mexico as the border area has had the highest reporting areas... We need that fence :wink:

We really don't need your export market if we wouldn't be importing cheap feeder cattle from Mexico... We have enough domestic demand to take care of what is produced here...
We definitely don't need your diseased cattle endangering our herds and industry....Ain't no genetics that good!!!
 
Your in debt up to your neck do to foreign wars and a Federal Reserve that enjoys lying to the American people about the deficit and shrinking dollar. The Federal Reserve creates inflation by one thing and one thing only, printing and pumping more new money into the existing money supply. This is the invisible tax used to pay the rising defict. Free trade has nothing to do with the US's current financial problems. You must be watching to much CNN or Rush Limbaugh. Who says foreign wars are good for the economy? I beleive the US economy was much better off before the current wars. Well at least somebody is enjoying the benefit of the shrinking US dollar. The Canadians and everybodyelse outside the US. Thanks Bush and Cheney
 
It's hard to compete when the rules are so different. Here, we value the environment and there is an added cost to protect it. We feel it is important that livable wages are paid and that has a cost. We feel a certain minimum standard of living is important and that has a cost.

It is like two track athletes contemplating running a race and one has a 50 lb. backback on. The guy without the backpack is taunting the other claiming he's afraid to compete..... You've got to look at the big picture.
 
I have a question for you what is a decent wage for farm/ranch labor in Mexico?Do you have to pay any kind of taxes on them or insurance?
 
I come from a five generation ranching family. As for brucelosis why were you people in Montana killing so many brucelosis infected buffalos and freaking out that your market would be closed outside of Montana. You Know what Mr. Oldtimer I'm just having fun getting your misinformed goat. HaHaHa.
 
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Your in debt up to your neck do to foreign wars and a Federal Reserve that enjoys lying to the American people about the deficit and shrinking dollar. The Federal Reserve creates inflation by one thing and one thing only, printing and pumping more new money into the existing money supply. This is the invisible tax used to pay the rising defict. Free trade has nothing to do with the US's current financial problems. You must be watching to much CNN or Rush Limbaugh. Who says foreign wars are good for the economy? I beleive the US economy was much better off before the current wars. Well at least somebody is enjoying the benefit of the shrinking US dollar. The Canadians and everybodyelse outside the US. Thanks Bush and Cheney
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You can't say Free Trade has nothing to do with our problems when you consider what the trade deficit is doing to our economy - not just today but our future. You do realize that we have to pay that money back with interest - that 2 BILLION/DAY tab that we're running? Come on, Ranchero, going in hock 2 billion/day has nothing to do with our financial problems? That's simply not a rational statement.
 
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My country mates are you Oldtimer. I came here from Wyoming to get away from idiot thinking people like yourself. I graduated from the University of Wyoming with a Bachelor of Science degree in Engineering. I come from a five generation ranching family. As for brucelosis why were you people in Montana killing so many brucelosis infected buffalos and freaking out that your market would be closed outside of Montana. You Know what Mr. Oldtimer I'm just having fun getting your misinformed goat. HaHaHa.
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Thats the Governments buffalo and elk- and no other cattle herds have found the disease after extensive and continued testing....

And you don't get my goat- you just show your lack of credibility and ignorance when you deny the brucellosis problem that exists in Mexico and Central America...
Or your the only one right- and all the Dr.'s and Vets are wrong :???: :wink: :lol:
 
Mr Denny, I'd be willing to bet that my cowboys will retire from my ranch with a much more comfortable lifestyle than yours. I am required to pay for both health insurance and social security. I also have my own retirement program to provide for their welfare when the leave my employment. And I can garentee they don't want to swim over to to the US. They have no mortgages and what they have they own. Just like me, I don't owe my soul to the bank.
 

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