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This week in Christian History

March 10, 1528: "Martyrdom of Balthaser Hubmaier, 48, German reformer and chief writer for the Anabaptist movement. Arrested in Moravia, Hubmaier was later condemned at Vienna and burned at the stake." (SLO)

A respected instructor at an institution of learning recently commented that, after their inception, the Anabaptists did not have a well-developed and written theology or Christology. (He went on the say that they suffered such severe persecution that the movement was almost wiped out.)

The statement saddened me most profoundly in light of the accounts of the suffering and death of hundreds of early Anabaptist believers who would not sacrifice their beliefs even for their lives. They were drowned, pulled apart by machines, burned at the stake, impaled and tortured to death.

After the Anabaptist movement began in or about 1525, most of their leaders, like Hubmaier, were martyred before they had much time to "theologize" and record their thoughts, most of them being killed within a couple of years after receiving baptism and openly stating their beliefs. All because the early Anabaptists, a people of peace, were wrongly seen as a threat to the early mainstream reformers, the religious establishment and the political system.

To make such a dismissive statement, as was made by that teacher, is an affront of the most extreme kind, especially when holding those leaders in comparison to other reformers who enjoyed the luxury of writing down their thoughts in a degree of relative safety from physical attacks by the church and other reformers.

In essence, the statement provides a contrast between those who clearly modeled the teachings of Christ in their lives, and those who profess a "sound" Christology yet then go out and proclaim bloodthirsty pogroms against those with whom they disagree.

The historical records hold the evidence. And no amount of gilding or revisionism will change that.

Clearly, this thought process has consumed me this past week and resulted in a much clearer understanding of the fact that the Anabaptists were/are neither Protestant or Catholic and are still not well understood by most of Christendom.

"But the Jews who were not persuaded, becoming envious, took some of the evil men from the marketplace, and gathering a mob, set all the city in an uproar and attacked the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people. 6 But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some brethren to the rulers of the city, crying out, "These who have turned the world upside down have come here too." Acts 17:5,6. (NKJV)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN6nJV_mxU4&list=PL4776D2F453A9C143

March 15, 1950: "American missionary and martyr Jim Elliot wrote in his journal: 'The believer is a displaced person. He loses the controlling features of both environment and heredity.' " (SLO)

That's all I have for this week. Lots more to read by following the link below.


http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/?d=0310
 
Burnt it seems to me that the Antibaptist themselves didn't really have any doctrine or position on most things other than to "protest". A bit of reading showed me that they did not believe in infant baptism, yet there was no formal statement as to what "form" was the norm for their group.

This to me is one reason I see the so called "reformation" as more of a revolution. Individuals who set themselves up as leaders really did not have positions on things so much as they were simply against the Church (Catholic). Once the rebellion begin to burn it became more of a wild fire with protestants turning against protestants and one "leader" trying to set himself up above other "group leaders" and in all truth it continues to this day. It breaks my heart when I see a community of less than 3000 people has 14 Baptist Churches, 10 "non denominational" churches along with all the other mainline churches. This is not the unity of the brethren Christ prayed for.
 
TexasBred, you bring some excellent points to the discussion, not the least of which is your statement about "protestants turning against protestants", an unfortunate situation that was far too common.

As for the Anabaptists not having clearly defined positions on some matters, that is correct to some degree. But one should keep in mind the fact that the movement was practically wiped out but persecution, leaving them without strong, well-founded leadership for most of their formative years. I'm surprised to find out how little I know about the basis for this way of thinking.

In my opinion, for what it's worth (can I add any more disclaimers here!?), the effect of this was that the Anabaptists faith took more of a literal/practical approach with far less emphasis on the theological dimension until later in their history. Menno Simons did a lot to stabilize the movement and managed to live out a longer life than most leaders. Thus, he developed and recorded their "doctrines" more than anyone at that time.

While there were lots of unhelpful dynamics expressed in the early Anabaptists just as in others faiths, they cannot be faulted for not putting their beliefs into practice and were known as a people of compassion, peace and simplicity.

I share your grief over the fragmentation of the body of Christ. Having said that, what must it do to the heart of God to see the discord among those who profess his name? May God have mercy on us all.

I don't know what the solution is other than that my conversation with him changes me into more of what he wants me to be. And believe me - I need lots of changing! :oops:

But I really think that is where it's at - becoming more Christlike by his grace and reflecting his nature - love, forgiveness, justice, peace - to the world around me. Then, the world around us sees the combined witness of those who are at one with him and see the body of Christ. Not just some buildings where people meet under a hundred different names . . .

But don't take my word for it! Go see what he says! :wink:

Thanks so much for what you bring to the discussion!
 
March 17, 1897: "Emilie Grace Briggs became the first woman in America to graduate from a Presbyterian theological school, when she received her Bachelor of Divinity degree from Union Theological Seminary, in New York City." (StudyLightOrg)


March 19, 1937: "Pius XI declared in the encyclical "Divini redemptoris": 'There would be neither Socialism nor Communism today if the rulers of the nations had not scorned the teachings and material warnings of the Church.' " (SLO)

March 20, 1525: "Paris' parliament begins pursuit of Protestants" (Scopes System)

March 20, 1840: "Scottish clergyman Robert Murray McCheyne wrote in a letter: 'The more God opens your eyes, the more you will feel that you are lost in yourself.'" (SLO)

March 22, 1903: "Niagara Falls runs out of water because of a drought" (SS)


March 23, 1966: "Archbishop of Canterbury Arthur Michael Ramsey met and exchanged public greetings with Pope Paul VI in Rome. It was the first official meeting between heads of the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches in over 400 years." (SLO)

Revelation 7:9 - After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shbj5T95chA
 
March 24, 1774: "Anglican clergyman and hymn writer John Newton wrote in a letter: 'What a mercy it is to be separated in spirit, conversation, and interest from the world that knows not God.'" (Study Light Org.)

We all know that believers must live in "the world that knows not God". Yet Newton's words reflect those of Jesus when he said "They are not of the world, even as I am not of it." (John 17:16) How does Newton's statement affect the everyday life of a Christ-follower?


March 25,1533: "During one of his recorded "Table Talks," German reformer Martin Luther declared: 'That the Creator himself comes to us and becomes our ransom - this is the reason for our rejoicing.'" (SLO)

And rejoicing there was as Jesus rode the donkey toward Jerusalem in front of adoring crowds on the occasion we celebrate today as Palm Sunday.

March 27, 1840:"Scottish clergyman Robert Murray McCheyne wrote in a letter: 'No person can be a child of God without living in secret prayer; and no community of Christians can be in a lively condition without unity in prayer.'" (SLO)

So then PRAY!


March 28, 1661: "Scottish Parliament passed the Rescissory Act, which repealed the whole of the legislation enacted since 1633. Its effect was to overthrow Presbyterianism and to restore the Anglican episcopacy to Scotland." (SLO) Democracy at its finest?


March 30,1917: "All imperial lands, as well as lands belonging to monasteries, were confiscated by the Russian provisional government."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2C-h9ji_hU

http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/
 
March 31, 1596: Birth of Rene Descartes. "I think, therefore..."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04744b.htm

March 31, 1976" American Presbyterian apologist Francis Schaeffer wrote in a letter: 'You must not lose confidence in God because you lost confidence in your pastor. If our confidence in God had to depend upon our confidence in any human person, we would be on shifting sand.' " (Study Light Org.)

John 6:66-69 (NET Bible) - "After this many of his disciples quit following him and did not accompany him any longer. So Jesus said to the twelve, "You don't want to go away too, do you?" Simon Peter answered him, "Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God!"

April 2, 742: Birth of Charlemagne 1st Holy Roman emperor (800-14), founding strongman of the Carolingian Dynasty, setting in motion events that left an indelible stamp on the course of European and Christian history.
For history buffs - http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Carolingian_Empire.html

April 3, 1759: "Anglican clergyman and hymnwriter John Newton wrote in a letter: 'I believe that love to God, and to man for God's sake, is the essence of religion and the fulfilling of the law.' " (SLO) Simple words, affirming those of Jesus Christ in Matthew 22- "And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets." "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du6w6FEgL58

April 4, 1944: "German Holocaust victim Anne Frank, 14, wrote in her diary: 'I want to go on living even after my death! And therefore I am grateful to God for giving me this gift...of expressing all that is in me.' " (SLO)

http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/?d=0401
 
April 7, 1506: birth of St Francis Xavier Jesuit missionary to India, Malaya, & Japan. It was also on this date in 1541 that he and 3 friends left from Portugal and set sail for India where they were the first Roman Catholic missionaries. (Scope System and StudyLightOrg)

April 8, 626: "Maedoc of Ferns, an early Irish believer in Jesus Christ, died. He established a Christian community in Wexford, where he gave shelter to babies who survived primitive abortion surgeries at the hands of pagan Druids. The community still survives." (National Post)

April 8, 2005: "About 300,000 worshippers and more than 100 world leaders flooded into St. Peter's Square for the funeral of Pope John Paul II, the largest funeral in the history of the Roman Catholic Church. More than four million more people watched the service on large video screens throughout the city. John Paul was buried in the grotto under the basilica." (NP)

April 9, 1945: "German theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer was hanged by the Gestapo, after discovering his plot to kill Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler. Bonhoeffer's last recorded words were, "This is the end — for me, the beginning of life." " (National Post)

April 10, 1945:"U.S. Armed forces liberated the prison camp at Buchenwald, Germany. It was estimated that nearly 57,000 prisoners (mostly Jews) perished in the gas chambers of Buchenwald during its eight-year existence as a Nazi concentration camp." (SLO)

An acquaintance of mine who recently passed away was a survivor of this camp. As part of my studies, a few years ago I had the good fortune to spend an afternoon interviewing him and his wife, who was also a survivor of another camp. He recounted the story of the day the American soldiers came into the camp... Dreadful, fascinating stories to hear, but they were both very productive people who accomplished much in their lives.

April 11, 1836: "English philanthropist George Mueller opened his famous orphanage on Wilson Street in Bristol. (By 1875, Mueller's orphanage was providing care for over 2,000 children.)" (SLO)

April 12, 1945: "More than 1,000 German and Dutch Jews were liberated by Canadian forces from a camp near Westerbork, Holland. The Nazis used the camp as a gathering place for Jews, including Anne Frank, who were sent to death camps farther east." (NP)

April 13, 1598: "King Henry IV of France endorsed the Edict of Nantes, which granted rights to the Protestant Huguenots. The edict was abrogated in 1685 by King Louis XIV, who declared France entirely Catholic again." (NP)

In 1572, King Charles IX ordered the deaths of all Protestants in France, "resulting in the deaths of an estimated three thousand men, women, and children in three days." (from http://www.huguenotsociety.org/history_new2.htm )

Regardless of what the faithful might encounter, good or otherwise, we can find encouragement in the words of this song by Fernando Ortega- "Take Heart My Friend" -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT4yV9ssCqw

http://life.nationalpost.com/2013/04/06/this-week-in-religion-history-how-to-be-martyred-and-beatified-after-stopping-an-invasion-during-a-100-year-war/

http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/?d=0407
 
This Week In Christian History will be back soon. Kinda bogged down with stuff to do at the present.

Between a bit of extra stuff right now and an ice storm and power outage that made everything take twice as long I've gotten a bit behind. But it's all back up and running again!

http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/?d=0414
 
April 21, 0753, BC: "Traditional date of the foundation of Rome" (Scopes System)

Just another day in history? Not really, because God sets up kings and kingdoms for his purposes. We may not like or agree with their policies but ultimately, God works out his sovereign plan through those he allows to sit in places of power. (You can take that to the bank)

Over the coming centuries, the Romans forged one large empire out of the near east and what is now Europe, and built the sprawling infrastructure that allowed for a speedy dispersal of the good news of the arrival of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ.

"He changes the seasons and guides history, He raises up kings and also brings them down, he provides both intelligence and discernment. He opens up the depths, tells secrets, sees in the dark - light spills out of him! " (Dan. 2:21, 22. The Message)
http://www.biblestudytools.com/msg/daniel/2.html


These were the words of the Jewish prophet Daniel, in response to the King Nebuchadnezzar's request to interpret his dream. And as much as "Nebu" was definitely in charge of the Babylonian kingdom, God was in control of "Nebu", and responded to the prayers of Daniel who was His representative to the Babylonian kingdom (circa 1894 BC).

Daniel knew the Lord as the Sovereign God and was not intimidated by the threats and bluster of Nebuchadnezzar, regardless of how real they were.

Glory to the Sovereign King of everything!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeJ4xaVKpgs

April 21, 1649: "The Toleration Act was passed by the Maryland Assembly. It protected Roman Catholics within the American colony against Protestant harassment, which had been rising as Oliver Cromwell's power in England increased." (Study Light Org.)

1828: "English churchman John Henry Newman wrote in a letter to his sister: 'May I be patient! It is so difficult to make real what one believes, and to make these trials, as they are intended, real blessings.'" (SLO)

Isn't that the truth! It takes a fresh commitment each day to allow my faith in Christ to affect my thoughts and actions.

April 23, 33AD: "Christian tradition says the Jesus Christ, crucified three days earlier, was raised from the dead -- marking this date as the very first Easter." (SLO)

April 24, 387: "Augustine of Hippo, 32, was baptized on this Eve of Easter. He told the story of his Christian conversion from a profligate life in his "Confessions," written between 397-401." (SLO)

April 26,1877: "The residents of Minnesota observed a statewide day of prayer, asking for deliverance from a plague of grasshoppers that had been ravishing their farm crops this year. (The plague ended soon after, in the summer.)" (SLO)

April 27,1775: "Death of Moravian missionary Peter Bohler, 63. Commissioned by Count Zinzendorf in 1737, Bohler encountered the as-yet-unsaved John Wesley, no doubt imprinting within him the later Methodist characteristics of crisis conversion, joyful assurance of God's acceptance and a Christian lifestyle of self- surrendering faith." (SLO)

When Zinzendorf's emissary, Bohler, met Wesley, he had no idea of how his ministry to him would affect the future spread of the Gospel across the world! Just like when we sow seed, we don't know what kind of a yield our crop will give. The main thing is that we sow in faith...
 
http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/

April 29, 418: Roman Emperor Honorius (who ruled 395-423) issued a decree denouncing Pelagianism, which taught that humanity can take the initial and fundamental steps toward salvation by its own efforts, apart from divine grace. (StudyLightOrg.)

Many learned men have tried to develop an understanding of how we can come to salvation. At best, our understanding of divine truth is limited by our humanity. This we know - God is not willing that any should perish and has offered his redeeming grace to all.

"The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some regard slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not wish for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." (II Peter 3:9, NET)

Ultimately, "It's About the Cross"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by-_bUxIOY4

April 30, 0311: "Emperor Galerius recognizes Christians legally in the Roman Empire" (Scopes System) This marked the ending of persecution for Christians, and the beginning of a whole new set of issues for the church. What once flourished brightly under persecution became dulled by the subversive effect of secularism.

April 30, 1944: "English scholar J.R.R. Tolkien wrote in a letter: 'Evil labors with vast powers and perpetual success -- in vain: preparing always only the soil for unexpected good to sprout in. So it is in general, and so it is in our own lives.' " (SLO)

And who of us is brave enough to pray this way -

May 1, 1740: "English revivalist George Whitefield wrote in his journal: 'Lord, show that Thou dost love me, by humbling and keeping me humble as long as I live. The means I leave to Thee.' " (SLO)


May 1, 1933: "The first issue of "The Catholic Worker" was published. Founded by Dorothy Day and Peter Maurin, the monthly newspaper promoted social reconstruction through shared farming and housing for the urban poor." (SLO)

May 1, 1939: " "Back to the Bible Broadcast" was launched by founder Theodore Epp, in Lincoln, Nebraska. Today, over 600 radio stations nationwide carry the program." (SLO) Listening to this radio program is one of my earliest childhood memories - the old radio crackling out the sound after you turned the dial just right to get the station to come in clearly. Well, fairly clearly... :)


May 4, 1970: "In deciding the legal case "Walz v. Tax Commission of New York," the United States Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of a New York statute exempting church-owned property from taxation." (SLO) Some current developments could be taken as an indicator that this status is about to be challenged once again, although I can't find the piece that I recently saw about this.
 
May 5, 70: "Titus destroys Jerusalem and its temple. Separation deepens between Christianity and Judaism."(Christianity.com)

May 5, 312: (The Roman emporer)"Constantine is converted after seeing a vision of the cross. He becomes a defender and advocate of the oppressed Christians." (C.c)

May 5, 1936: "Addis Ababa, the capital of Ethiopia, had fallen to Mussolini's invading armies. Emperor Haile Selassie fled. Barefoot Ethiopian soldiers resisted bravely against tanks and mustard gas, but the Italians won..." (C.c)

Soon after the conquest, the Italian military took away the Protestant missionaries who had established a fledgling group of 48 baptized Christians among the Ethiopians. During the course of WWII, the invading Italians did their best to eradicate this small band of believers who had only a few scriptures to read, including the Gospel of Mark, as well as the support of the constant prayers of the missionaries.

"On this day, May 5, 1941, five years to the day that he had left Ethiopia, Haile Selassie returned. The missionaries returned to the capital, too. What would they find?" (Christianity.com)

When the war ended, the deeply concerned missionaries were overjoyed to find that the group of 48 had grown to 10,000! Armies will fall, but the Church will stand forever! A great testament to the power of the Holy Spirit and the power of prayer.

For more on this story - http://www.christianity.com/church/church-history/timeline/1901-2000/ethiopian-church-did-more-than-survive-11630760.html

The Living Word, Logos, is unassailable by any power that stands against it, because God is Sovereign. Some have experienced setbacks, suffering or even physical death for holding on to their faith. But when one has discovered the reality of the love of the living God, there is nothing that can extinguish it.

"Can anything ever separate us from Christ's love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death?(As the Scriptures say, "For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep"). No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us. And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons" (Romans 8:35-38, NLT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEphX7pGMKI

May 6, 1955: "Responding to a letter received from a child, English apologist C. S. Lewis wrote: 'God knows quite well how hard we find t to love Him more than anyone or anything else, and He won't be Angry with us as long as we are trying. And He will help us.' " (StudyLightOrg)

May 6, 1527: "Spanish & German Imperial troops sack Rome; ending the Renaissance" (Scopes System)


May 8, 1948" "American missionary and martyr Jim Elliot wrote in his journal: 'Either take me to be with Thee, Savior, or put out the life of this old man as I draw near Thee in the flesh. Consume me, Fiery Lover, as Thou dost choose.' " (SLO)

May 9, 1092 "Lincoln Cathedral consecrated" (SS) Are there any new structures that can match the beauty and majesty of those that were built 1000 years ago?

http://www.toms-travels.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/lincoln-1.jpg

May 10, 1828: "English church leader John Henry Newman wrote in a letter: 'I wish it were possible for words to put down those indefinite, vague and withal subtle feelings which quite pierce the soul and make it sick. What a veil and curtain this world of sense is. Beautiful, but still a veil.' " (SLO)

May 11, 1682: "The General Court of Massachusetts repealed two laws which had been passed two years earlier: one forbade the keeping of Christmas, and the second mandated capital punishment for Quakers who returned to the colony after being banished." (SLO)

http://www.studylight.org/his/tich/?d=0505
 
The Protestants perceived the persecution as motivated not by politics, but by differences in religious faith, since Catholic priests promised them freedom if only they would kiss the crucifixes held up to them. To the Wallamo, this seemed like a return to the idolatry they had recently left, and they refused freedom at that price. Their faith and courage attracted others to Christ.

Do you and other protestants really consider this idolatry? I've seen thousands of protestants kiss crosses and pray to crosses not to mention the millions that wear crosses. Why not wear a crucifix (A picture of God's love for us) rather than an empty cross (A symbol of torture)
 
TexasBred said:
The Protestants perceived the persecution as motivated not by politics, but by differences in religious faith, since Catholic priests promised them freedom if only they would kiss the crucifixes held up to them. To the Wallamo, this seemed like a return to the idolatry they had recently left, and they refused freedom at that price. Their faith and courage attracted others to Christ.

Do you and other protestants really consider this idolatry? I've seen thousands of protestants kiss crosses and pray to crosses not to mention the millions that wear crosses. Why not wear a crucifix (A picture of God's love for us) rather than an empty cross (A symbol of torture)


If one looks at the context surrounding their refusal to acknowledge the crucifix it should be pretty clear why the Wallamo responded as they did.

They already knew the Savior personally and understood that they did not receive salvation through ritualistic observances.

How does today's Roman Catholic Church view its actions toward Ethiopian believers at that time?
 
It seems to me that something was left out of the story. It should say that the Wallamo were led to believe that kissing a crucifix was returning to worshiping idols.

It also don't seem that kissing a crucifix would have been an important point in evangelizing any people.
 
Martin Jr. said:
It seems to me that something was left out of the story. It should say that the Wallamo were led to believe that kissing a crucifix was returning to worshiping idols.

It also don't seem that kissing a crucifix would have been an important point in evangelizing any people.

What it all goes back to is the simplicity of salvation. You don't need to do anything other then believe that Jesus Christ, died for the sins of the world, and was raised from the dead, because he had lived a perfect life. There is no need to kiss, fondle, hold, or bow to receive HIM. Just accept.
I for one like the empty cross, because I know that Jesus willingly allowed Himself to be put on it for my sins, but also know that Satan was not able to keep Him on the cross.
 
LazyWP said:
Martin Jr. said:
It seems to me that something was left out of the story. It should say that the Wallamo were led to believe that kissing a crucifix was returning to worshiping idols.

It also don't seem that kissing a crucifix would have been an important point in evangelizing any people.

What it all goes back to is the simplicity of salvation. You don't need to do anything other then believe that Jesus Christ, died for the sins of the world, and was raised from the dead, because he had lived a perfect life. There is no need to kiss, fondle, hold, or bow to receive HIM. Just accept.
I for one like the empty cross, because I know that Jesus willingly allowed Himself to be put on it for my sins, but also know that Satan was not able to keep Him on the cross.

Is it so simple??

Luke 13:23-24 and 28, "Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able ... There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."
 
These questions are very well worth asking!

One thing that we all like is simple answers or solutions. And everyone has a perspective that is as unique as they are, no doubt influenced by their own background. Our approaches do not always agree.

Since two people from the same "church" seldom share exactly the same views, it is no surprise that those who come from different denominational roots have differences in opinions and perspectives.

There is this constant tension within Scripture, in practice, and all of theology - it is called the "already, not yet".

For example - Salvation is so simple, just as Lazy WP said, yet it is not without a response on our part and Paul instructed the believers to "continue working out your salvation with awe and reverence" (Philippians 2:12, NET).

- Jesus said "It is finished" yet we know that we will not be completely freed from the power of sin until he comes again and throws sin and death into Hell.

- It gives us everything, yet leaves us with nothing of our own

---and so on.

I think that our responsibility is to be obedient to what we personally know he calls us to which includes allowing his Spirit to overshadow us with his life, just as he told his disciples at his ascension.

Reminders of his work are not wrong - in fact he mandated some - but they can never replace his actual life in us or duplicate what was accomplished on the cross.

When we understand what happened at Calvary, we will be endlessly thankful the cross!
 
We kiss the cross on Good Friday to venerate (to show our respect, reverence, and love) for all that He has done for us by means of the cross. We are worshipping Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, and grateful beyond any understanding for all that He has done for us through His Holy Cross, by Which He redeemed the world.

Sometimes it seems my protestant brethren have problems with the physical aspects of their faith even as they accept something two dimensional yet refuse to have anything to do with something that has the 3rd dimension. Burnt, indeed conversion takes a response on our part. An "Action" as even faith is an action word. And then it takes perseverance. I think most protestants view salvation as that one instant when they go down a church aisle and accept Christ as their savior and at that point it is finished... complete.....Catholics have that "Blessed Hope" and believe that it is the condition of our soul at the moment of death rather than at some moment in life 50 years ago. A lifelong journey.
 
TexasBred said:
We kiss the cross on Good Friday to venerate (to show our respect, reverence, and love) for all that He has done for us by means of the cross. We are worshipping Our Blessed Lord, Jesus Christ, and grateful beyond any understanding for all that He has done for us through His Holy Cross, by Which He redeemed the world.

Sometimes it seems my protestant brethren have problems with the physical aspects of their faith even as they accept something two dimensional yet refuse to have anything to do with something that has the 3rd dimension. Burnt, indeed conversion takes a response on our part. An "Action" as even faith is an action word. And then it takes perseverance. I think most protestants view salvation as that one instant when they go down a church aisle and accept Christ as their savior and at that point it is finished... complete.....Catholics have that "Blessed Hope" and believe that it is the condition of our soul at the moment of death rather than at some moment in life 50 years ago. A lifelong journey.

At the risk of raising more than eyebrows, are you saying that a priest who has spent his life molesting kids has more chance going to heaven than a person with Christian values that rarely goes to church and doesn't believe in worshipping "idols" if a crucifix might be called so?
 

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