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Tony and some legislator.

Doug you may have have something with your last paragraph but other states that allow road hunting don't have near the angst toward it as South Dakotans and points further west!
Other states it is basic non issue and that is a fact, sure you have a few complainers as one would expect, but because of the other laws that go with, you just don't have the problem with road hunting that some claim.
If you really had a safety issue or major violations then your state would do something about it. That is the truth. I hear all the time of private owned hunting operations getting nailed for breaking the law and the black eye that gives out as well, then you would agree to make pay to hunt illegal because of all the shady things that take place in the name of a dollar?
This isn't to be a smart ash, but a rather logical conclusion as non hunting people see pay to hunt and game violations as a greed issue, to kill at all cost because of the financial gain for running down, baiting, shooting from a truck, taking more than the law allows, transfer of tags from resident to non resident so the big boys can come play. While tax payers get left out.
I think then if road hunting hurts hunting as a whole and you want it stopped, then so should pay to hunt stop as well. As it gives a black eye to the public as well. Of course on both issues we are not talking a majority but a minority.
 
but a rather logical conclusion as non hunting people see pay to hunt and game violations as a greed issue, to kill at all cost because of the financial gain for running down, baiting, shooting from a truck, taking more than the law allows, transfer of tags from resident to non resident so the big boys can come play. While tax payers get left out.
I think then if road hunting hurts hunting as a whole and you want it stopped, then so should pay to hunt stop as well. As it gives a black eye to the public as well. Of course on both issues we are not talking a majority but a minority.
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Absolutely wrong, if I am the landowner and you tell me I can not charge for hunting you are infringing on my rights as a landowner. Hunting privedges are an asset and if I choose to sell that right it is my right to do so. Just as it is my right to decide what to grow on my land. This assertion is way past reasonable...............it is completely assinine and greedy on your part expecting someone to furnish your hobby.
 
I think then if road hunting hurts hunting as a whole and you want it stopped, then so should pay to hunt stop as well. As it gives a black eye to the public as well. Of course on both issues we are not talking a majority but a minority.
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I would welcome the end to pay hunting but that would be out of selfishness. I have lost at least 5,000 acres that I used to hunt deer on to pay hunting. Me and my kids get all the tags that our place needs(at least for bucks) and one place I lease has a stipulation in the lease that I get the hunting rights but can't make any money off them.
 
Passin thru, just as I thought you want ownership of the ditch you don't own and then complain because hunters use it as it gives a black eye to non hunters yet pay to hunt is something different because you own the land. Those that own the land don't own the wildlife, therefore the financial gain creates competition, which in turn lends to illegal practices but that is OK with you?
Don't you see it is all the same in a nutshell, greed causes problems in both and you want to do away with one that is a public entity and keep the private one? that is laughable :)
You really need to take off the brain blinders and see the light, you want private intrest protected as long as you gain from it, and want to take away public interest because you don't agree? You do not and I will repeat do not own the ditches it is a simple fact!
 
Passin thru, just as I thought you want ownership of the ditch you don't own and then complain because hunters use it as it gives a black eye to non hunters yet pay to hunt is something different because you own the land. Those that own the land don't own the wildlife, therefore the financial gain creates competition, which in turn lends to illegal practices but that is OK with you?
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There you go again, trying to tell everyone how I feel so you can attack it.................the problem is you missed what I was saying........... Ihave no idea how you could do that if you were paying attention.
 
Don't pick and choose answer the content in full. Those who have no merit slice and dice up and try to sway things. I like I how you chose a small portion of the entire content and make it look different. Good day trying to talk with you is like trying to talk to my 3 year old.
 
Happy go lucky said:
Passin thru, just as I thought you want ownership of the ditch you don't own and then complain because hunters use it as it gives a black eye to non hunters yet pay to hunt is something different because you own the land. Those that own the land don't own the wildlife, therefore the financial gain creates competition, which in turn lends to illegal practices but that is OK with you?
Don't you see it is all the same in a nutshell, greed causes problems in both and you want to do away with one that is a public entity and keep the private one? that is laughable :)
You really need to take off the brain blinders and see the light, you want private intrest protected as long as you gain from it, and want to take away public interest because you don't agree? You do not and I will repeat do not own the ditches it is a simple fact!
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If I may I would like to throw a comment or two in the mix, My whole life has revolved around hunting, fishing, and trapping. And I am a hunting / fishing guide and pilot in Alaska for 5 months a year and we live in Minnesota the rest of the time. In MN and AK it is ILLEGAL to shoot a firearm from or accros a road or road ditch right of way. In MN the landowner has the hunting, fishing and trapping rights to the center of a township road. It works fine here, there is plenty of public land for people who do not own or lease land to hunt. To me, common sense tells me hunting birds in the road ditch of traveled roads is not that safe of a practice anyway, maybe in sd there is no traffic on your roads? Now as a guide, In the nine states I am familiar with if a guide or outfitter is charged with a fish and game violation he or she losses there guide license, as it should be. We are not all slobs! Now as a hunter, be carefull not to alienate us all with your p!ssing and moaning! Lets say a dad wants to take his child hunting and teach them about the outdoors and hunting, He walks up to a ranch or farm house and asks permission, and it happens to be one of the posters on here, what is going to happen when all they have read is hunters feel that landowners are greedy selfish pigs! the access to that property will be denied. Not all hunters or sportsman share your opinions, All you are accomplishing is giving all of us a black eye. Shawn
 
Don't pick and choose answer the content in full. Those who have no merit slice and dice up and try to sway things. I like I how you chose a small portion of the entire content and make it look different. Good day trying to talk with you is like trying to talk to my 3 year old.
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Oh, I didn't pick and choose. I already answered yours and all others assertions. If you fail to pay attention to what is said may I suggest you learn from your three year old. Better yet you better ask someone else if you taught the three year old all you know :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Shawn please tell me where Minn ranks in public hunting access? I have relatives there and non say public access is great by any means. How many acres of public ground do you have state wide?
Roadside hutning would be illegal in all states if the accident rate was high? Why would it not be? To me common sense would tell you rifle hunting should be illegal in states with small land tracts and heavier populations, yet many allow it and as long as it is a legal it is up to those states to manage.
Again you read what you want to, I didn't say ALL landowners are selfish or greedy, I'm debating the points and that is pay to hunt has problems and so does road hunting but both are legal and how can one defend taking away road hunting becuase of all this black eye talk and not seriously the other. If where going to take away everything that happens in a small minority because it causes a black eye then who get's to pick and choose which stay and which go?
You see I don't care for pay to hunt, but it is your land and your business, but I also have road hunted because the areas I have lived allow it and is that yours or pasin thrus right to decide if I continue to road hunt? There is motive behind all decisions that is a simple fact, or why would one make the decision? Those with the loudest voices ussally come out on top.
 
Minn hunters come to the dakotas in droves.......because our hunting is better, better access, road hunting, and we have not drained most of our wetlands.......

if you think road hunting is dangerous, think again. MOST all hunting accidents in SD occur during pheasant hunting and most are people shot while blocking at the end of a field. I personally know of no one injured road hunting......i know several that have taken a pellet or 2 walking or blocking in a field
 
this is from the gfp web site



Beware of Low-Flying Roosters



PIERRE, S.D.—There's excitement in the air as pheasant roosters take flight during hunting season. However, hunters need to make sure that the excitement of the hunt doesn't overwhelm their better judgment, especially when they're faced with low-flying roosters.



During 2005, many of South Dakota's reported hunting accidents occurred during the pheasant season. Quite often those accidents happened when a hunter fired at a low-flying bird.



"Several incidents occurred last hunting season where a hunter swung on a bird and inadvertently peppered a person in the background," said Curt Robertson, hunter safety program specialist for the S.D. Department of Game, Fish and Parks. "A hunter has to know what's beyond the target before pulling the trigger. That knowledge could be a matter of life and death."



Hunters using the "walkers and blockers" method need to be particularly careful. Last year several hunting accidents resulted in both walkers and blockers being injured.



Hunters need to restrain themselves from shooting at low-flying roosters. "Typically a poorly chosen shot at a low-flying bird will produce a shot pattern that can cover a person's head, neck arms and chest," Robertson said.



Hunters should also always wear orange hats, vests, protective shooting glasses and know their surroundings. "The key is to know where all the hunters in your party are at all times," Robertson said. "If you don't know where they are, don't shoot."



Brood counts by GFP have indicated that the state has a robust pheasant population. "So let the grass-skimmers go and wait for your next chance," Robertson said. "Taking only safer shots will ensure that you don't injure one of your hunting companions."
 
LB when are you going to answer my post about the slobs who were arrested for spotlighting? I gave you some POSITVE things to consider and no response? :???: :???: :???:
 
yes I am sure she is I hear she also is drafting Legislation to charge for hunting on S&PL by GF&P for public hunting........If she open that can of worms I think it is time the public gets their fare share from the people who graze so cheaply compared to grazing on private lands...
But kind of funny how she doesnt respond to positive Legislation to help EVERONE in the state or the fact of Open Fields being used by other state Game Officers.
 
Yep---------- I can definitely see why more landowners keep closing their land to "sportsmen(?)"........ :wink: :lol:
 
publichunter: LB when are you going to answer my post about the slobs who were arrested for spotlighting? I gave you some POSITVE things to consider and no response?
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My dear publichunter, I read back through thousands of your words and couldn't find any positive things you offered for my consideration. Care to repeat those positive things?

yes I am sure she is I hear she also is drafting Legislation to charge for hunting on S&PL by GF&P for public hunting........If she open that can of worms I think it is time the public gets their fare share from the people who graze so cheaply compared to grazing on private lands...
But kind of funny how she doesnt respond to positive Legislation to help EVERONE in the state or the fact of Open Fields being used by other state Game Officers.
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I am not drafting legislation to charge hunters who hunt on South Dakota's School and Public Lands. I am drafting legislation to require that the Department of Game Fish & Parks pays the School and Public Lands the same rate for allowing hunters to hunt on SD S&PL that they pay to private landowners for walk-in areas.

GF&P has been cheating the school systems for long enough and it's time they pay the schools for allowing hunting on the school's public lands. Why shouldn't the schools get the money they deserve from hunting on land that belongs to them?

The folks leasing the grazing on school lands already pay property tax on every acre they lease at the same rate they pay for land that they own. Is it unfair to insist that GF&P to pay its share of the education of South Dakota's school children?

This will help ALL the schools in South Dakota and from you past posts, I'm sure you're all for that.
 
LB once again you read what you wanat to hear if you re-read the first sentance I say the very same thing you are going to try to introduce.

Why doesnt the State, charge hunting lodges, preserves, commercial tax rates? Why doesnt the state regulate ccommercial hunting operations that provide booze at their lodges and charge taxes on the booze just like the bars in SD?
Why doesnt the state regulate hunting operations that provide a place to stay like all the other motels and B&B's and tax accordingly?
Seems to me this is a grat oppertunity for more money for schools, roads
 
Happy go lucky said:
Shawn please tell me where Minn ranks in public hunting access? I have relatives there and non say public access is great by any means. How many acres of public ground do you have state wide?
Roadside hutning would be illegal in all states if the accident rate was high? Why would it not be? To me common sense would tell you rifle hunting should be illegal in states with small land tracts and heavier populations, yet many allow it and as long as it is a legal it is up to those states to manage.
Again you read what you want to, I didn't say ALL landowners are selfish or greedy, I'm debating the points and that is pay to hunt has problems and so does road hunting but both are legal and how can one defend taking away road hunting becuase of all this black eye talk and not seriously the other. If where going to take away everything that happens in a small minority because it causes a black eye then who get's to pick and choose which stay and which go?
You see I don't care for pay to hunt, but it is your land and your business, but I also have road hunted because the areas I have lived allow it and is that yours or pasin thrus right to decide if I continue to road hunt? There is motive behind all decisions that is a simple fact, or why would one make the decision? Those with the loudest voices ussally come out on top.
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Happy go lucky, I do not know the ranking, but mn has 1300 wildlife management areas, over 3 million acres of state forrest, and there is also alot of county tax forfiet stuff if a person does some research. Not all private land is locked up, yes alot of it is. In mn there is a landowner deer tag you can get at no charge if you own 40 or more acres, but you get the landowner tag you have to allow a non family member hunting access to the property. I have not hunted in sd though I have hunted nd every year since I was a kid. We do not have mule deer here so I go to a ranch in the badlands and pay to archery hunt his ranch. Which I do not have a problem with, I feel it is a good way for farmers and ranchers to supplement there income. I have a few cows and raise a little grain so I know there is not alot of profit, when taxes and all inputs are going up.
I was wondering what happens when a rooster is shot and falls on private land off the right of way? Shawn
 

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