katrina
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Chief, That was hateful. What, it's easier to be nasty than give your opionion??? Shame on you....
katrina said:Chief, That was hateful. What, it's easier to be nasty than give your opionion??? Shame on you....
cedardell said:I've listened to a lot of economic bull on this session, so here comes so more.. I think that the fact that President Clinton broke with tradition and criticized Pres. Bush for running up mushrooming deficits was the most telling economic factor to hit the news lately. He made it perfectly clear to the nation that the only thing keeping our govt. afloat is the fact that all the nations that we have a huge trade deficit with invest their money back into our govt securitys. So we really don't own our govt. anymore. This has a lot of ramifications. First of all it causes the dollar to loose value. It also means we have no clout at the bargining table. So why should Japan take our beef? What can't threaten with trade retaliation because they could cash in their treasury bills and poof we'd have no govt. Same goes for China and Korea. So they essentially have an ax over our head and can keep trading to their advantage. I've heard a lot of complaints about Canadian beef disrupting our markets on this website. But if we are not able to stop the twin deficits from mushrooming I wonder if they will want to sell us beef for worthless dollars. I think the thing all you so called economists are overlooking is the value of the dollar. What good does it do to try and make more money if it keeps getting more worthless? I think this is the issue that will effect us and our children for a long time and I see no way out of the dilema. Our trading partners are too smart to let us start to balance trade and they have the clout. So what next?
agman said:cedardell said:I've listened to a lot of economic bull on this session, so here comes so more.. I think that the fact that President Clinton broke with tradition and criticized Pres. Bush for running up mushrooming deficits was the most telling economic factor to hit the news lately. He made it perfectly clear to the nation that the only thing keeping our govt. afloat is the fact that all the nations that we have a huge trade deficit with invest their money back into our govt securitys. So we really don't own our govt. anymore. This has a lot of ramifications. First of all it causes the dollar to loose value. It also means we have no clout at the bargining table. So why should Japan take our beef? What can't threaten with trade retaliation because they could cash in their treasury bills and poof we'd have no govt. Same goes for China and Korea. So they essentially have an ax over our head and can keep trading to their advantage. I've heard a lot of complaints about Canadian beef disrupting our markets on this website. But if we are not able to stop the twin deficits from mushrooming I wonder if they will want to sell us beef for worthless dollars. I think the thing all you so called economists are overlooking is the value of the dollar. What good does it do to try and make more money if it keeps getting more worthless? I think this is the issue that will effect us and our children for a long time and I see no way out of the dilema. Our trading partners are too smart to let us start to balance trade and they have the clout. So what next?
This is the same politiacal rhetoric that has gone on for years. Since the 1947 the U.S has run a fiscal deficit in all but twelve years. The current deficit is the largest in absolute dollars but ranks well below many previous deficits when measured relative to the size of our economy. That does matter you know.
We have posted trade deficits for decades. Which one of you would be willing to trade our economic growth with a country that has run a surplus trade position or fiscal surplus during the same period. Since 1947, GDP has grown from $1.56 trillion to $11.6 trillion in real dollars. What nation can match that growth-name one? The sky is not falling nor will it.
What next? The U.S is the engine that could and has pulled the world economic engine. Our trade deficit is more a sign of strength then weakness. As China grows they will fulfill more of that role. As that happens our trade deficit will begin to shrink. The doomsdayers are always wrong. Why ever pay any attention to them?
Cowpuncher said:The government has a slick way of handling debt. Inflation.
The national deficit is about 2.3 percent of GNP - less than most countries.
Worrying about these things will just keep you from doing you business.
If you are worried about your dollars becoming worthless, borrow a bunch and buy hard assets like more land. Dollar gets cheap enough and you can pay you mortgage with your pocket change,
Trouble is, there isn't a whit of difference who controls congress or the white house - - except they spend our money on different things. Then they spend our kids money - and grand kids.
Econ101 said:agman said:cedardell said:I've listened to a lot of economic bull on this session, so here comes so more.. I think that the fact that President Clinton broke with tradition and criticized Pres. Bush for running up mushrooming deficits was the most telling economic factor to hit the news lately. He made it perfectly clear to the nation that the only thing keeping our govt. afloat is the fact that all the nations that we have a huge trade deficit with invest their money back into our govt securitys. So we really don't own our govt. anymore. This has a lot of ramifications. First of all it causes the dollar to loose value. It also means we have no clout at the bargining table. So why should Japan take our beef? What can't threaten with trade retaliation because they could cash in their treasury bills and poof we'd have no govt. Same goes for China and Korea. So they essentially have an ax over our head and can keep trading to their advantage. I've heard a lot of complaints about Canadian beef disrupting our markets on this website. But if we are not able to stop the twin deficits from mushrooming I wonder if they will want to sell us beef for worthless dollars. I think the thing all you so called economists are overlooking is the value of the dollar. What good does it do to try and make more money if it keeps getting more worthless? I think this is the issue that will effect us and our children for a long time and I see no way out of the dilema. Our trading partners are too smart to let us start to balance trade and they have the clout. So what next?
This is the same politiacal rhetoric that has gone on for years. Since the 1947 the U.S has run a fiscal deficit in all but twelve years. The current deficit is the largest in absolute dollars but ranks well below many previous deficits when measured relative to the size of our economy. That does matter you know.
We have posted trade deficits for decades. Which one of you would be willing to trade our economic growth with a country that has run a surplus trade position or fiscal surplus during the same period. Since 1947, GDP has grown from $1.56 trillion to $11.6 trillion in real dollars. What nation can match that growth-name one? The sky is not falling nor will it.
What next? The U.S is the engine that could and has pulled the world economic engine. Our trade deficit is more a sign of strength then weakness. As China grows they will fulfill more of that role. As that happens our trade deficit will begin to shrink. The doomsdayers are always wrong. Why ever pay any attention to them?
After having dealt with people who have overextended their credit and finally lost their largest asset, their home, I have seen the results of your advice agman.
agman said:Econ101 said:agman said:This is the same politiacal rhetoric that has gone on for years. Since the 1947 the U.S has run a fiscal deficit in all but twelve years. The current deficit is the largest in absolute dollars but ranks well below many previous deficits when measured relative to the size of our economy. That does matter you know.
We have posted trade deficits for decades. Which one of you would be willing to trade our economic growth with a country that has run a surplus trade position or fiscal surplus during the same period. Since 1947, GDP has grown from $1.56 trillion to $11.6 trillion in real dollars. What nation can match that growth-name one? The sky is not falling nor will it.
What next? The U.S is the engine that could and has pulled the world economic engine. Our trade deficit is more a sign of strength then weakness. As China grows they will fulfill more of that role. As that happens our trade deficit will begin to shrink. The doomsdayers are always wrong. Why ever pay any attention to them?
After having dealt with people who have overextended their credit and finally lost their largest asset, their home, I have seen the results of your advice agman.
Once again you are wrong. That is habitual for you. I have not advised anyone to overextend their credit in the manner you describe.
Twotimer said:Are you guys out to lunch or what? Babies died on the streets of New Orleans due to heat exhaustion. MSNBC Joe Scarborough a staunch Republican and previously strong support of this administration is fed up to here with how the greatest country in the world (huh?) has reacted to this crisis. I just heard that 200 TSA screeners were no shows this morning at Hobby Airport and TSA defended it as "appropriate". Joe Scarborough's point is that our Govt is not behaving like a powerful and responsible Govt and our elected officials, including this Administration, should be held accountable. It's not whether poor people in the U.S. are "better off" absolutely than in Sri Lanka for example, it's what what a great and rich country owes all its citizens in a time of emergency and what is not happening. The plight of poor people in an emergency in the US should be MUCH better than in a third world country.