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Trans Canada Pipeline needs permission

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Faster horses

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I just received a call from the Trans Canada pipeline. They said
the line would not cross our land, but it will a couple of our neighbors.
They need to find property markers (sandstone rocks) and they
need our permission to cross our property to find these markers.
Mr. FH isn't here, but that should be okay I would think. But
I don't want to do something foolish...so what do ya'll think?
And should they be allowed at no charge? I told the man that
they need to wait til it dries up, because we got an inch of rain and
if they don't wait they will tear up the roads and pastures and they might get stuck.

Thanks for your advice. :-)
 
I would request that they be accompanied by an owner or agent of the owner, so that if they need the best route across the property, it will be immediately available.

I would not think that such a request would be denied along with time compensation to the owner for that help.
 
Not related to your question, other than I think you won't get any time compensation from them.

I have been surprised how much they have tried to accompany rancher and farmer interests with this project.

Getting oil to America falls under the auspice of the Homeland Security Act. Can't mess with them too much, or they will simply condemn the land and put it where they want to.

Badlands
 
Badlands may be correct. You MAY not get time compensation for showing these guys around but............................

you MOST CERTAINLY won't if you never ask.
 
You're right, Mike.

Things may be different in other places.

Been around the oil patch my whole life. My dad was known from here to Texas as being the toughest SOB to get along with in the patch, LOL.

Was in OK one time and they heard I was from Eastern MT, started talking about this mean SOB. It was my dad. Wasn't really a big deal; he just wanted them to stay where they were supposed to stay.

We've got pictures from the 60's and 70's when they would come through and leave gates open, etc. Even lost cows one time that got in an oil filled sump. Have pictures from '84 when one guy decided to cut across a private dry weather two-track when it was wet. Tracks are still there, 25 years later.

Dad used to charge them $100 per foot for any damage that was off the right-of-way.

Didn't take long for them to stay on. This was back when they used to take something like a 5 rod right-of-way. Now most of them are down to 2.5 rods and don't stray as much as they did with 5.

Had another bunch that left chemical barrels leaking for a period of time. He tried every threat he could and finally called the MT Water Quality Bureau. $10,000/day fines will get them moving, LMAO. See, it ws only 12 ft to water sand where they were leaking, and directly up the anticline from our household water. Things are run a lot better now than they used to be, that is for sure.

Badlands
 
Everybody I've talked to up here that they are going thru their property has been quite satisfyed with their dealings with them...

I can tell you that after watching the Northern Border gas pipeline that went thru back in the 80's- and still operating- after the initial disturbance of digging the line and putting in the pipe- you couldn't even find where the pipe went after a year or two unless you saw the little signs they put up.....

And they paid some pretty good royalties/right of way fees for it....
 
Badlands said:
You're right, Mike.

Things may be different in other places.

Been around the oil patch my whole life. My dad was known from here to Texas as being the toughest SOB to get along with in the patch, LOL.

Was in OK one time and they heard I was from Eastern MT, started talking about this mean SOB. It was my dad. Wasn't really a big deal; he just wanted them to stay where they were supposed to stay.

We've got pictures from the 60's and 70's when they would come through and leave gates open, etc. Even lost cows one time that got in an oil filled sump. Have pictures from '84 when one guy decided to cut across a private dry weather two-track when it was wet. Tracks are still there, 25 years later.

Dad used to charge them $100 per foot for any damage that was off the right-of-way.

Didn't take long for them to stay on. This was back when they used to take something like a 5 rod right-of-way. Now most of them are down to 2.5 rods and don't stray as much as they did with 5.

Had another bunch that left chemical barrels leaking for a period of time. He tried every threat he could and finally called the MT Water Quality Bureau. $10,000/day fines will get them moving, LMAO. See, it ws only 12 ft to water sand where they were leaking, and directly up the anticline from our household water. Things are run a lot better now than they used to be, that is for sure.

Badlands
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Some seismic guys up here probably figure i am related to your dad. :D
 
Big Muddy rancher said:
Badlands said:
You're right, Mike.

Things may be different in other places.

Been around the oil patch my whole life. My dad was known from here to Texas as being the toughest SOB to get along with in the patch, LOL.

Was in OK one time and they heard I was from Eastern MT, started talking about this mean SOB. It was my dad. Wasn't really a big deal; he just wanted them to stay where they were supposed to stay.

We've got pictures from the 60's and 70's when they would come through and leave gates open, etc. Even lost cows one time that got in an oil filled sump. Have pictures from '84 when one guy decided to cut across a private dry weather two-track when it was wet. Tracks are still there, 25 years later.

Dad used to charge them $100 per foot for any damage that was off the right-of-way.

Didn't take long for them to stay on. This was back when they used to take something like a 5 rod right-of-way. Now most of them are down to 2.5 rods and don't stray as much as they did with 5.

Had another bunch that left chemical barrels leaking for a period of time. He tried every threat he could and finally called the MT Water Quality Bureau. $10,000/day fines will get them moving, LMAO. See, it ws only 12 ft to water sand where they were leaking, and directly up the anticline from our household water. Things are run a lot better now than they used to be, that is for sure.

Badlands
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Some seismic guys up here probably figure i am related to your dad. :D
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add me to the family too, my Dad and brothers have been known to tell few to take a flying leap :wink:
 
I, too, have been known to "educate" a few folks who thought they'd ride roughshod over some dumb desert dweller. Maybe that is why we all get along so well on here! We are all inbred and related! :wink:

Not to highjack the thread but I gotta tell ya about my evening a week or so ago. This plane buzzed our house twice in about 40 minutes right at dark. I mean right over the barn. The 1st trip I figured he was crashing but then he banked and headed east. Well about 11 i was walking in from checking on my last heifer and here it came again. If I'd had my bow I could'a stuck an arrow in him. He flew just as he had before and I turned and headed for the house after thinking a couple choice thoughts on planes and low flying jokers! :mad: I took ten steps and heard WHOOSH!
I turned just in time to watch a freaking parachute drop in a perfect siloutte by the moonlight! :shock: I was thinking it was Red Dawn all over again! I didnt know if it was drug runners or Canada invading! :shock: I ran for the house to get a spotlight and a pistol. My wife heard the commotion and said settle down. Seems a bunch of soilders were shacked up in our neighbors haybarn as part of an exercise! They were "hiding" from the enemy and had picked a fine spot. The parachute drop was to re-supply them. After I got shut down from trying to repell the invaders, I took my wheeler and drove over. The soilders were looking at me like I was a spy but after hearing my story they realized I was not nearly smart enough to be undercover. They and I all had a good laugh over me getting all "WOLVERINES"! (Red Dawn) The next night i called a pizza joint in town and they helped me feed all 26 of them. My wife made brownies and some other nieghbors brought pop and chips and we took them a slightly better supper than MRE's. What a bunch of great young men who's next stop is Afganistan. Keep them in your prayers! I am glad the wife had visited with the nieghbors and was home. Me, my spotlight and pistol along with my dutch temper would'a got their collective butts kicked by my own team! :D
 
I remember when I was about 8 yrs old staring out the window at about 6:00 am and seeing a whole bunch of F5 fighter jets roaring up our valley about 100 feet over the trees, zigging and zagging at about the speed of sound. I thought it was pretty cool, but the ole man was feeding cows at that time and wasn't very impressed at the suddenly vacant feed grounds. I was practically in tears listening to him cussing out everybody he could get to listen to him within the air force ranks at the time. Sadly, I never got to see such an awe inspiring sight in our valley again.
Off topic I know, but leanin' H brought back an old supressed memory I just couldn't keep in anymore! :D
 
leanin' H said:
I, too, have been known to "educate" a few folks who thought they'd ride roughshod over some dumb desert dweller. Maybe that is why we all get along so well on here! We are all inbred and related! :wink:

Not to highjack the thread but I gotta tell ya about my evening a week or so ago. This plane buzzed our house twice in about 40 minutes right at dark. I mean right over the barn. The 1st trip I figured he was crashing but then he banked and headed east. Well about 11 i was walking in from checking on my last heifer and here it came again. If I'd had my bow I could'a stuck an arrow in him. He flew just as he had before and I turned and headed for the house after thinking a couple choice thoughts on planes and low flying jokers! :mad: I took ten steps and heard WHOOSH!
I turned just in time to watch a freaking parachute drop in a perfect siloutte by the moonlight! :shock: I was thinking it was Red Dawn all over again! I didnt know if it was drug runners or Canada invading! :shock: I ran for the house to get a spotlight and a pistol. My wife heard the commotion and said settle down. Seems a bunch of soilders were shacked up in our neighbors haybarn as part of an exercise! They were "hiding" from the enemy and had picked a fine spot. The parachute drop was to re-supply them. After I got shut down from trying to repell the invaders, I took my wheeler and drove over. The soilders were looking at me like I was a spy but after hearing my story they realized I was not nearly smart enough to be undercover. They and I all had a good laugh over me getting all "WOLVERINES"! (Red Dawn) The next night i called a pizza joint in town and they helped me feed all 26 of them. My wife made brownies and some other nieghbors brought pop and chips and we took them a slightly better supper than MRE's. What a bunch of great young men who's next stop is Afganistan. Keep them in your prayers! I am glad the wife had visited with the nieghbors and was home. Me, my spotlight and pistol along with my dutch temper would'a got their collective butts kicked by my own team! :D
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okay now thats funny :lol: :lol:I can so see you yelling "Wolverines" :lol: :lol: your poor wife! :lol: :lol: :lol: :P
 
They just laid a line just to the west of us that is coming from Canada. I wonder if it is the same line. If it is I heard they are paying up to $5000 per foot. One guy tried to stop them and they condemn him and didn't pay him a dime.

I work the oil field while I was in college and we did all kinds of thing for the ranchers when we laid a pipeline across thier place. We even dug a small lake for one guy. So who know what he might get done on his place while they are crossing his place. And the pipeline right-a-way is always left in better shape than it was when we were done.

The seismograph guys left a bunch of artesian wells on property they seismograph around here. It just flows out of the ground with no way of turning it off. Now when they seismograph they use other ways besides drilling holes.

Badlands did your dad work in East Texas any? Back in to 80's we had people from all over the country working in the Alabama Ferry field. They first said it was just a small field and now it is over 50 miles wide and 30 miles long. Luckily our place was in the middle of it. And now they want to go back and drill 18,000-20,000 to the Cotton Valley Formation.
 
I don't know how much they compensate here. But they are layin lines everywhere joinin all these gas wells together. And like Trinity Man said, they leave it in better shape than what they found it.
 
They generally do leave things better than they found them, and are generally willing to do a few 'extras' here and there. It is good to get any agreements in writing as you never know if the guy you talked to will be working there when the work actually happens.
Something to think about also: If you feel your place is reasonably invasive weed free (and you haven't trained your cattle to eat thistles :wink: ) you may want to request that all machinery coming on your property be steam cleaned to avoid tracking on problems you don't want to deal with down the road.
 
Nebraskans must not be as easy to get along with as compared to many of you....it doesn't cross us, but close, and every neighbor I've talked to hasn't been too impressed with anything presented to them.
 
Nebraska Sandhills said:
Nebraskans must not be as easy to get along with as compared to many of you....it doesn't cross us, but close, and every neighbor I've talked to hasn't been too impressed with anything presented to them.
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That's kind of the same thing I'm hearing here although I don't know if its necessarily what is being presented.
 
I believe the attitude shown when a oil man steps on your property,sets the mood. Greg's dad was always boiling mad before one even got in the door to deal,gregs always been calm and they dealt great with him. Daughter worked this particular pipeline{ on the Canadian side},said what the landowners wanted was givin with respect. If ones attitude is good they will bend over backwards for you,heck we got Texas gates out of them,plus you'd never know where they went.Land was actually better then before they stepped on. They even went around and picked up the states the cattle had strewn all over.The US laws seem to be quite a bit different then ours so I couldn't tell you guys about compensations,and right to passage.
 
The transcanada pipeline is going to go thru our place. They have been very accomadating. They have walked every bit of it for both an environmental survey and a survey of pipeline track. They have changed the course a few times and have been back several times, walking it every time. I have seen these poor guys walk many miles before they could get to another pickup point. They have gotten rained on, hailed on and some encounter a few rattlers. There biggest obstacles around here have been teepee rings. They are also avoiding Indian Land (BIA) Changing the whole path to avoid a 1/4 section of it. I don't think it will be long and they will be around to visit with easements and payment.
Fasterhorses, If they need to get to a survey point, they will walk to it. If thats what you want, demand it. If you feel sorry for them let them drive to one point and walk the rest. Around here they are just planning on
the walk.
 

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