Two beef plants to close on Saturdays

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "Mr. Dopp neglected to mention that the normal supply of cull cows was disrupted by a prolonged drought in the Gering area and ranchers had culled deeply because of that in previous years (giving that same plant a higher-than-usual supply of culls)."

Do you actually believe this plant had previously only slaughtered cull cows FROM THE GERING AREA?????

Good grief!

You really don't have a clue do you?



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Sandman: "Mr. Dopp neglected to mention that the normal supply of cull cows was disrupted by a prolonged drought in the Gering area and ranchers had culled deeply because of that in previous years (giving that same plant a higher-than-usual supply of culls)."

Do you actually believe this plant had previously only slaughtered cull cows FROM THE GERING AREA?????

Good grief!

You really don't have a clue do you?



~SH~

Why don't you give me a clue then? You're apparently knowledgeble on the Gering plant. How many of their cows came from a 500 mi. radius of Gering?

 

[Northern Rancher]

After shelling out 17 bucks U.S for a barely edible steak on my last trip to the U.S. I can see why demand is falling off south of the line. If I'd of been a person trying beef for the first time-I never would of tried it again. By the way I ate that steak in R-Calf country lol.

 

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "You're apparently knowledgeble on the Gering plant. How many of their cows came from a 500 mi. radius of Gering?"

Moot point!

Slaughter cows, WHEN AVAILABLE, can be trucked in from anywhere.

The issue here is the availability of slaughter cows, NOT THE AVAILABILTY OF SLAUGHTER COWS FROM THE GERING AREA.


~SH~

 

[agman]

Sandman: "Mr. Dopp neglected to mention that the normal supply of cull cows was disrupted by a prolonged drought in the Gering area and ranchers had culled deeply because of that in previous years (giving that same plant a higher-than-usual supply of culls)."

Do you actually believe this plant had previously only slaughtered cull cows FROM THE GERING AREA?????

Good grief!

You really don't have a clue do you?



~SH~

Why don't you give me a clue then? You're apparently knowledgeble on the Gering plant. How many of their cows came from a 500 mi. radius of Gering?

Total cow slaughter peaked in 1996 at 7.2 million head and this year will be 4.8 million head. You do the math. When liquidation occurs more cows go to slaughter. We have been in a buildup phase since 2004 and the reduction in domestic cow slaughter was further exacerbated by the closure of the Canadian border. The main factor behind the closure is the sharp decline in domestic cow slaughter and the fact that this is an old inefficient plant.

 

[Sandhusker]

Moot point? I guess that means you don't know. :lol:

So now you tell us cattle can be trucked in from anywhere. Hmmm..... Why then were you carping about plants in the NW hurting for cattle? Don't tell me there isn't any available - the packers are cutting kills because there are more cattle than demand. Why didn't they just truck them in? Heck, shipping costs virtually nothing these days... area schmarea, just load them up and head out 1000 miles or so. :roll:

 

[agman]

Moot point? I guess that means you don't know. :lol:

So now you tell us cattle can be trucked in from anywhere. Hmmm..... Why then were you carping about plants in the NW hurting for cattle? Don't tell me there isn't any available - the packers are cutting kills because there are more cattle than demand. Why didn't they just truck them in? Heck, shipping costs virtually nothing these days... area schmarea, just load them up and head out 1000 miles or so. :roll:

In case you didn't know they did truck fed cattle from CO & NE to UT and ID. As ususal, you remain very long on comments and very short on facts.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

We had cows go from Lethbridge to Rapid City. Cows were being shipped from eastern Canada to Calgary last fall. Both more then 500 miles. Heck we are more then 500 miles to Calgary and alot of cows and different weather in a 500 mile radius. Better go put on your Tiara Sandhusker your being a princess now.

 

[Sandhusker]

Moot point? I guess that means you don't know. :lol:

So now you tell us cattle can be trucked in from anywhere. Hmmm..... Why then were you carping about plants in the NW hurting for cattle? Don't tell me there isn't any available - the packers are cutting kills because there are more cattle than demand. Why didn't they just truck them in? Heck, shipping costs virtually nothing these days... area schmarea, just load them up and head out 1000 miles or so. :roll:

In case you didn't know they did truck fed cattle from CO & NE to UT and ID. As ususal, you remain very long on comments and very short on facts.

Actually, Agman, I did know they trucked in cattle. Nice strawman, though. SH was trying to tell us Gering's location had nothing to do with it, after telling us the packers location in the NW put tham at an disadvantage. I guess that's the type of contradictions you get into whn your views are not really your own, but you're just trying to be contrary.

Perhaps you could explain the packers wailing about the exodus of the industry, loss of jobs, etc... due to the lack of cattle - and then the subsequent reduction in kill.

 

[PORKER]

With the ever increasing price of FUEL ,trucking is a losing deal.Only regional plants an feed yards will make it .Keep building in Canada Guys!!

 

[agman]

Moot point? I guess that means you don't know. :lol:

So now you tell us cattle can be trucked in from anywhere. Hmmm..... Why then were you carping about plants in the NW hurting for cattle? Don't tell me there isn't any available - the packers are cutting kills because there are more cattle than demand. Why didn't they just truck them in? Heck, shipping costs virtually nothing these days... area schmarea, just load them up and head out 1000 miles or so. :roll:

In case you didn't know they did truck fed cattle from CO & NE to UT and ID. As ususal, you remain very long on comments and very short on facts.

Actually, Agman, I did know they trucked in cattle. Nice strawman, though. SH was trying to tell us Gering's location had nothing to do with it, after telling us the packers location in the NW put tham at an disadvantage. I guess that's the type of contradictions you get into whn your views are not really your own, but you're just trying to be contrary.

Perhaps you could explain the packers wailing about the exodus of the industry, loss of jobs, etc... due to the lack of cattle - and then the subsequent reduction in kill.

If you really knew then why did you doubt they could or would ship cows? Kinda stepped in your own puddle again!

Demand..Demand...Demand You heard it here first, over one year ago.

Demand for middle meats is very weak whereas demand for lean trim and ground beef remains strong. For lean beef, derived from cows, supply is the problem.

 

[PORKER]

Demand for middle meats is very weak whereas demand for lean trim and ground beef remains strong. For lean beef, derived from cows, supply is the problem.

So why not whole cow BURGER???????

 

[Anonymous]

Sandman: "Moot point? I guess that means you don't know."

You were the one who obviously didn't know where the Gering plant had procured their slaughter cows which is precisely why you asked after ASSUMING that most were purchased locally (drought in the Gering area).

You were "shootin' from the hip" again, like always!

You have two issues here:

#1 As Agman stated, U.S. slaughter cow inventories are down due to herd buildup.

#2 A reduction in Canadian slaughter cows for those plants that relied on Canadian slaughter cows.

You don't know how heavily the Gering plant has relied on Canadian slaughter cows so you can't possibly be in a position to contradict Mr. Dopp.

You just threw out a "red herring" that sounded good to you.

Sandman: "So now you tell us cattle can be trucked in from anywhere. Hmmm..... Why then were you carping about plants in the NW hurting for cattle?"

The distance cattle are trucked in is based on three factors:

#1 Price offered at that plant.

#2 Distance to plant (plant availability) from origin of cattle (fat cattle or slaughter cows).

#3 Transportation costs.


The NW plants that were referenced were fat cattle plants, not slaughter cow plants. Everyone that knows anything about this industry knows that most processing plants for fat cattle are from Nebraska south.

NW plants that relied heavily on Canadian cattle were hurting because nobody from Nebraska is going to ship cattle to be slaughtered in the NW when they have packing plants in their back yard. PRICE PAID, PLANT AVAILABILITY, AND TRANSPORTATION COSTS.

Obviously PLANT AVAILABILITY AND PRICE PAID were issues for Canadian slaughter cows or they wouldn't be shipping them to the states would they????

Sandman: "Don't tell me there isn't any available - the packers are cutting kills because there are more cattle than demand."

What are we talking about now Sandman??

SLAUGHTER COWS OR FAT CATTLE???

The two are not the same! The Gering PACKERLAND plant is a slaughter cow plant.


THE PACKERS ARE CUTTING KILLS BECAUSE THERE IS MORE CATTLE THAN DEMAND YOU SAY??????

I can't wait to hear your explanation for that remark.

Sandman: "SH was trying to tell us Gering's location had nothing to do with it, after telling us the packers location in the NW put tham at an disadvantage."

ANOTHER LIE!

Gering's location, IN RELATION TO OTHER PACKING PLANTS, in relation to the availability of ANY slaughter cows (including Canadian slaughter cows) has everything to do with it.

You don't know where Gering procured their slaughter cows and that is the issue.

Nice deception again!

You were the one suggesting that the Gering plant was closing due to drought in the Gering area and I'm telling you that you don't have a damn clue where the Gering plant procured it's cattle from and you don't know how many were Canadian cows to contradict what Mr. Dobb stated.

Like I said, you threw out a "red herring" that sounded logically to you but you don't know whether your argument was valid or not.

Sandman: "I guess that's the type of contradictions you get into whn your views are not really your own, but you're just trying to be contrary."

You could certainly write a book on that couldn't you?



~SH~

 

[Sandhusker]

Fine, SH, you win. The drought that affected a huge area around Gering and the subsequent deep cull had absolutely nothing to do with the shortage of cull cows. It's all R -CALF's fault because of their divertion, deception, lying, denying, ballot-box stuffing, bribing, black magic, voodoo and Satanic worship.

Throughout the years, the AMI has been nothing short of being brutally honest concerning the procurement of cattle and their deep concerns for the welfare of the US producers.

Thank you for setting me straight.

 

[Murgen]

The distance cattle are trucked in is based on three factors:

#1 Price offered at that plant.

#2 Distance to plant (plant availability) from origin of cattle (fat cattle or slaughter cows).

#3 Transportation costs

What's everybody's opinion on the low price of Canadian cull cows and the possibility of the border opening to OTM in Jan.

Why transport cattle twice, just do it once, in a box!

Raw product Source is close, SRM's are removed and shipped down in boxes, Capacity is increasing.

Outlook is great, thanks RCALF, "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it"

 

[Jason]

Fine, SH, you win. The drought that affected a huge area around Gering and the subsequent deep cull had absolutely nothing to do with the shortage of cull cows. It's all R -CALF's fault because of their divertion, deception, lying, denying, ballot-box stuffing, bribing, black magic, voodoo and Satanic worship.

Throughout the years, the AMI has been nothing short of being brutally honest concerning the procurement of cattle and their deep concerns for the welfare of the US producers.

Thank you for setting me straight.

Actually Sandhusker, a drought in an area would make producers cull deeper and sell more cull cows. If the drought were to continue, those herds wouldn't be built back up and thus would reduce traditional numbers from said area until the drought subsided enough to rebuild herds.

In the drought a local flood of cows could depress their price for a short time, reducing the plants need to purchase cows that need to be transported. Once that blip was dealt with the local plant would need to compete for all their cows needing transportation added to the cost.

There could be thousands of fed cattle close by but a plant could be forced to close because of no cows for their supply.

Having to explain basics to a banker, glad your not "helping" us out up here.

 

[agman]

Demand for middle meats is very weak whereas demand for lean trim and ground beef remains strong. For lean beef, derived from cows, supply is the problem.

So why not whole cow BURGER???????

Not everyone an afford 90/10 product. That is why you can purchase 73/27, 80/20, 85/15 ground beef. There is a price difference.

 

[Sandhusker]

Jason, "Actually Sandhusker, a drought in an area would make producers cull deeper and sell more cull cows. If the drought were to continue, those herds wouldn't be built back up and thus would reduce traditional numbers from said area until the drought subsided enough to rebuild herds.

In the drought a local flood of cows could depress their price for a short time, reducing the plants need to purchase cows that need to be transported. Once that blip was dealt with the local plant would need to compete for all their cows needing transportation added to the cost.

There could be thousands of fed cattle close by but a plant could be forced to close because of no cows for their supply.

Having to explain basics to a banker, glad your not "helping" us out up here."

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Jason, isn't that about what I said earlier? Go back and read what I previously said. You need to explain those basics to SH. He claims cattle can be shipped from anywhere.

 

[Jason]

Jason, isn't that about what I said earlier? Go back and read what I previously said. You need to explain those basics to SH. He claims cattle can be shipped from anywhere.

What I said and what you said aren't even in the same league Sandy. You claimed the drought in a 500 milie area was responsible primarily for the lack of slaughter cows. The article quoted layed the blame on lack of ability to ship in Canadian cows.

It was Scott who originally brought up shipping cows in from farther distances. He then pointed out that cost makes that prohibitive at some point. Where does he say distance is not an issue?

The point remains the plant was lost due to the border staying closed.

So for those that confuse cow plants and fed cattle plants and demand for middle meats and demand for cheaper burger learn the differences.[/quote]

 

[Sandhusker]

Looks to me like you just want to fight, Jason.

I said, "Mr. Dopp neglected to mention that the normal supply of cull cows was disrupted by a prolonged drought in the Gering area and ranchers had culled deeply because of that in previous years (giving that same plant a higher-than-usual supply of culls)."

You said, " Actually Sandhusker, a drought in an area would make producers cull deeper and sell more cull cows." "In the drought a local flood of cows could depress their price for a short time, reducing the plants need to purchase cows that need to be transported."

Let's see, I pointed out the drought make producers cull deeper - so did you. I mentioned the drought would give them a higher-than-usual supply, you called it a "flood of cows". Now nothing that we've said are in the same league? :???:

Of course the article claimed the problem was the unavailability of Canadian cows - it was the AMI talking. That's the whole deal, Jason. Both you and I know the drought had a huge impact on the supply of cows for that plant to draw from. Agman has another reason that is also correct but Mr. Dopp neglected to mention, the fact that the plant was old and inefficient.